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NEWS: Iran To Financially Support Hamas

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posted on Apr, 18 2006 @ 04:46 AM
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"they dont blow themselves up because they are poor they do it because their religious leaders tell them to, where does the problem lie?"



???? Do you honestly believe being poor has nothing to do with it? The problem lies with people that think they are so different from us. Would you not sacrifice your life for the life of your children? Why do you think it's so easy for these groups to recuit people? If you truly believe that the only reason these people blow them selfs up is religion than you are truly under the influence of the NWO.




posted on Apr, 18 2006 @ 05:12 AM
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Originally posted by marg6043
The aid money goes for everything in the country from paying salaries to school and occurs many also believe that it goes into financing terrorist.

The people is the one that is suffering the most without aid.


How many times have we seen aid diverted from the people's needs and put directly into military coffers?

Better to have the U.N. be there and have them give aid directly to the people. After all, isn't that their job?




posted on Apr, 18 2006 @ 06:25 AM
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Originally posted by DYepes

Lets say this. your neighbor has had his house forclosed on, and all banks have cut off his credit. He has been fired from his job and makes no mone, and all of his accounts have been frozen. Do you live him out to starve and die because everyone has cut him off, or do you offer him shelter and food until he can get a plan going?


What if the plan he wants to get going is the destruction of one of your freinds homes?
Do you give him the money to carry out his plan then?

I think it would be a bad decision if you do.

Besides the EU is still giving hundreds of millions of dollars in aid to Palestinian projects. It's just not going through the Palestinian government.
If they want the full aid back all they have to do is abide by the conditions for that aid.



EU Business

The EU gives about 500 million euros (600 million dollars) a year to the Palestinian Authority, about half of it collectively through Brussels, and the rest from individual EU governments.

The bloc had threatened to suspend the aid since shortly after Hamas' shock election victory in January, making three key demands: that it renounce violence, recognize Israel and abide by previous Palestinian commitments.

--snip--

The EU money goes through a web of channels for a wide variety of purposes, from refugee aid to pure budgetary support, and working out exactly how to prevent any cash getting into Hamas-controlled hands is a complex task.

The EU has vowed to try to limit the impact on ordinary Palestinians, such as by funneling more money through aid agencies. Officials noted that, of the 250 million euros in EU aid for 2006, 180 million has already been paid out.

In a joint statement the EU ministers also called on Israel to resume transfers of 40-50 million US dollars in monthly Palestinian tax revenues it has blocked.

But one source said that the suspension decision could cut over 30 million euros in aid, while others said nearly half of the 250 million euros in collective EU aid was at risk.


Let's not forget that this aid is voluntary.
The EU has no obligation to give them aid and it is not the fault of the EU if they can not survive when that aid is removed due to a refusal of the Palestinian government to abide by the conditions set forth by the EU.

[edit on 18-4-2006 by AceOfBase]



posted on Apr, 18 2006 @ 06:53 AM
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Originally posted by Low Orbit
they dont blow themselves up because they are poor they do it because their religious leaders tell them to, where does the problem lie?


Desperation, despair, no future, etc, there is the problem.
Religion is the comfort and the trigger.



posted on Apr, 18 2006 @ 07:21 AM
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It's a bad situation with few if any good solutions in sight.

The only way to ensure that aid goes into civil institutions and into the pockets of the people is for it to go through the UN. However, many leaders in the West are suspicious of the UN now, due to their mishandling of funds with regard to Iraq and other issues. As a result, most aid from those countries has been cut off until they can be assured that that money will be used as intended.

On the other hand, there is no way to verify (at this time) that money coming from Iran and other parties isn't being used to fund the groups those countries want to avoid assisting. If it is, then that obviously won't be acceptable to those countries, but even if it isn't, there is no means available for proving that to the satisfaction of those countries. So suspicion will persist regardless. Meanwhile, funds won't stop - whether for civil purposes or not - because the Palestinian Authority estimates great financial shortfalls.

Both sides are stuck between a rock and a hard place, even when one assumes everybody is on the up and up.



posted on Apr, 18 2006 @ 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by DaftDebunk
Desperation, despair, no future, etc, there is the problem.
Religion is the comfort and the trigger.

Then make the change within.
Palestine can make a difference, Palestine can act independently to end desperation, the despair, the lack of a 'future', etc. To simply say that poverty, desperation, and the cliche' of "no future" is preventing the Palestinians from making a change from within themselves is a near ludicrous excuse. There are multitudes of areas throughout the world that people are desperate, in despair, and seemingly have "no future," etc, but do you seem them committing acts of terrorism in their cause for change? Hardly. Thus, as mentioned, "Desperation, despair, no future, etc," becomes more like an excuse then a justifiable reason for the acts being committed. Change can be caused by an external factor, but real change starts internally, from within.






seekerof

[edit on 18-4-2006 by Seekerof]



posted on Apr, 18 2006 @ 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by AceWombat04
The only way to ensure that aid goes into civil institutions and into the pockets of the people is for it to go through the UN. However, many leaders in the West are suspicious of the UN now, due to their mishandling of funds with regard to Iraq and other issues.


The UN has been providing aid to the Palestinians for almost fifty years and even set-up UNRWA just for the Palestinians. UNHCR is also taking some of the load for those Palestinians outside Israel (UNHCR also provides aid to Iran).

The World Bank has approved nearly US$45 million for the month of March 2006 to keep the PA running. The largest contributor in each of the above programs…you guessed it the US. (where's all the press?)

And who has historically pledged less than US$1.0 million a year combined?....the entire ME. (The OPEC Fund manages to spit out US$100k every now and then as well). Of course, in their defense, why would you want to contribute financial aid to a government that may have ‘lost’ billions?


mg



posted on Apr, 18 2006 @ 10:33 AM
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Originally posted by EvilGoat
"they dont blow themselves up because they are poor they do it because their religious leaders tell them to, where does the problem lie?"



???? Do you honestly believe being poor has nothing to do with it? The problem lies with people that think they are so different from us. Would you not sacrifice your life for the life of your children? Why do you think it's so easy for these groups to recuit people? If you truly believe that the only reason these people blow them selfs up is religion than you are truly under the influence of the NWO.


If what you say is true those people must be a hell of a lot more broke than the people in South and Central American and also the starving people throuought asia and Africa.

So what do you think we should do?

Should we send them lots of money and appease them???? Will that end terrorism. Breathe before you think.



posted on Apr, 18 2006 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by missed_gear

The UN has been providing aid to the Palestinians for almost fifty years and even set-up UNRWA just for the Palestinians. UNHCR is also taking some of the load for those Palestinians outside Israel (UNHCR also provides aid to Iran).

The World Bank has approved nearly US$45 million for the month of March 2006 to keep the PA running. The largest contributor in each of the above programs…you guessed it the US. (where's all the press?)


Do these people even have an income outside of financial aid?
I think there would probably be a lot fewer people living there if all the aid came to a stop. That may be a good thing. They could just move to Jordan or Egypt although they would probably prefer to move to a non-muslim country as so many other muslims have done.



posted on Apr, 18 2006 @ 10:59 AM
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I tell you what we do Low Orbit. We stop supporting either side of the fight. Cut back ALL support for Israel and leave them be. Let Israel battle it our for themselves. Why should we favor them? I am starting to think many people support Israel because of the simple fact they are Jewish. I am sorry what does being a Jewish state entitle you to special recognition? They got the land after WW2, now let them protect it with their own resources. Why should the rest of the world even bother supporting such a tiny piece of land where which economically is insignifigant. Drop off food and medical supplies on a daily basis using air drops, but stop giving them cash.

The world has been watching and funding this conflict for the past 60_ years, I think it is time the world give it a rest. Stop treating them like they are Gods "special" children. Every human being on Earth is born the same (minus genetic disorder and abnormalities of course). if they want to fight forever, we should let them do it on their own resources. All you have to do is forbid any nation, Muslim, Christian or Athiest whatever to funnel cash to them. Food and medical supplies will be allowed to drop on a daily basis.

The little tiny piece of land has a fraction of one percent of the worlds population. We should concentrate on helping Africa. Most of that land which is populated actually has the abilitiy to support self-sustainability.



posted on Apr, 18 2006 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by Seekerof
There are multitudes of areas throughout the world that people are desperate, in despair, and seemingly have "no future," etc, but do you seem them committing acts of terrorism in their cause for change?


Lets take Ethiopia for example, who should they attack? Mother nature?




Originally posted by Seekerof

Hardly. Thus, as mentioned, "Desperation, despair, no future, etc," becomes more like an excuse then a justifiable reason for the acts being committed. Change can be caused by an external factor, but real change starts internally, from within.


Agreed, every change comes from within. Sometimes it is hard to change, sometimes it is easier.

edit: typo



[edit on 18-4-2006 by DaftDebunk]



posted on Apr, 18 2006 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by missed_gear

Originally posted by AceWombat04
The only way to ensure that aid goes into civil institutions and into the pockets of the people is for it to go through the UN. However, many leaders in the West are suspicious of the UN now, due to their mishandling of funds with regard to Iraq and other issues.


The UN has been providing aid to the Palestinians for almost fifty years and even set-up UNRWA just for the Palestinians. UNHCR is also taking some of the load for those Palestinians outside Israel (UNHCR also provides aid to Iran).

The World Bank has approved nearly US$45 million for the month of March 2006 to keep the PA running. The largest contributor in each of the above programs…you guessed it the US. (where's all the press?)

And who has historically pledged less than US$1.0 million a year combined?....the entire ME. (The OPEC Fund manages to spit out US$100k every now and then as well). Of course, in their defense, why would you want to contribute financial aid to a government that may have ‘lost’ billions?


mg


I didn't say I agreed with the suspicions. I just said that the suspicions exist, and that it may make for some difficulties with regard to the UN's capacity to alleviate the problem on the ground. I'm neutral.



posted on Apr, 18 2006 @ 04:54 PM
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Originally posted by AceWombat04
I didn't say I agreed with the suspicions. I just said that the suspicions exist, and that it may make for some difficulties with regard to the UN's capacity to alleviate the problem on the ground. I'm neutral.


Agreed, I merely was pointing out that there are solidly established UN programs in place specifically helping the general Palestinian population which towers over the humanitarian aid provided by her wealthy neighbors. Aid from the US is still reaching the Palestinians through these (and other) conduits; despite US direct grants being suspended to the Hammas government.

As a note, many US direct government grants were being refused beginning in 2003 by Palestinian support recipients with the enactment of Executive Order 13224 which causes some concern.

2003 USA Today Article


mg



posted on Apr, 18 2006 @ 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by DaftDebunk


Lets take Ethiopia for example, who should they attack? Mother nature?

How does Eritrea sound? It's close to home for the Ethiopians and quite conveniently on the way to the Red Sea.


la2

posted on Apr, 18 2006 @ 07:29 PM
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i think we need to ask what Iran knows that makes it feel that it can stand up to the USA, and i think Moscow and Bejing hold the key!!!



posted on Apr, 18 2006 @ 09:15 PM
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Originally posted by la2
i think we need to ask what Iran knows that makes it feel that it can stand up to the USA, and i think Moscow and Bejing hold the key!!!


China's president is sleeping in the White House tonight and Russia needs the US in order to join the WTO. The US will start playing her heavy cards very soon.


mg



posted on Apr, 18 2006 @ 10:03 PM
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Originally posted by Low Orbit

Originally posted by EvilGoat
"they dont blow themselves up because they are poor they do it because their religious leaders tell them to, where does the problem lie?"



???? Do you honestly believe being poor has nothing to do with it? The problem lies with people that think they are so different from us. Would you not sacrifice your life for the life of your children? Why do you think it's so easy for these groups to recuit people? If you truly believe that the only reason these people blow them selfs up is religion than you are truly under the influence of the NWO.


If what you say is true those people must be a hell of a lot more broke than the people in South and Central American and also the starving people throuought asia and Africa.

So what do you think we should do?

Should we send them lots of money and appease them???? Will that end terrorism. Breathe before you think.


the people in South and Central America, Asia, Africa get aid and alot of it.

It's called South and Central America, you have no money? you help produce/traffic coke!

it's called Asia, you have no money? you help produce/traffic opium!

and if you want to talk about africa click here service.spiegel.de...

IMO Aid money there is just a ploy to keep them enslaved.

No matter what we do we're not going to end terrorism, not in our life time anyways.

As long as there are people that are hungry for power there will be terrorism.



posted on Apr, 19 2006 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by EvilGoat

Originally posted by Low Orbit

Originally posted by EvilGoat
"they dont blow themselves up because they are poor they do it because their religious leaders tell them to, where does the problem lie?"



???? Do you honestly believe being poor has nothing to do with it? The problem lies with people that think they are so different from us. Would you not sacrifice your life for the life of your children? Why do you think it's so easy for these groups to recuit people? If you truly believe that the only reason these people blow them selfs up is religion than you are truly under the influence of the NWO.


If what you say is true those people must be a hell of a lot more broke than the people in South and Central American and also the starving people throuought asia and Africa.

So what do you think we should do?

Should we send them lots of money and appease them???? Will that end terrorism. Breathe before you think.


the people in South and Central America, Asia, Africa get aid and alot of it.

It's called South and Central America, you have no money? you help produce/traffic coke!

it's called Asia, you have no money? you help produce/traffic opium!

and if you want to talk about africa click here service.spiegel.de...

IMO Aid money there is just a ploy to keep them enslaved.

No matter what we do we're not going to end terrorism, not in our life time anyways.

As long as there are people that are hungry for power there will be terrorism.





you are full of answers o and doesn't the middle east product opium too? ? ?

[edit on 19-4-2006 by Low Orbit]



posted on Apr, 19 2006 @ 01:00 PM
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Afghanistan does for sure, don't think Plastine does.



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