Islamic Injustice on ATS

(Ran out of room)


There was an eye witness in the video that states she heard Atta say "200,000$ we have to answer to the families".

It just so happens that in the weeks leading up to 9/11 Lt-Gen Mahmud Ahmad (pakistan) wired 200,000$ to Atta.

Lt-Gen Mahmud Ahmad was having breakfast with Porter Goss on the morning of 9/11.

Porter Goss is now the Director of the CIA.

heh, i guess i could understand how you couldn't believe it. it is rather amazing to me too.



[edit on 29-4-2006 by tsensel]

ewwwww
tsensel...name calling now..HMMMM wonder why they call them extemists...could be that they can not engage in a discussion without becoming so emotional they resort to name calling?
I always thought that people with high IQ's (165) were intelligent enough to not have to resort to name calling....hmmmm
All your posting is accomplishing is to further the idea that it is not Islamic Injustice we should be concerned about. It is the injustice you spew on here towards the American public.
Apparently you dislike/hate anyone that has a different opinion from yourself. For that is what I have, a different opinion. So instead of posting/responding you resort to personal attacks on my intelligence, and or charactor. Now I would call that extreme.

Name calling?

When did i call you a name? I simply said your posts are ignorant. Ignorance is not name calling.Remember, You're the one that called me "unintelligent"

ig·no·rance Audio pronunciation of "ignorance" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (gnr-ns)
n. The condition of being uneducated, unaware, or uninformed.

(yes smarted than me or you)

You said it yourself.

And once again, you have not even looked at my evidence That is ignorance my friend.

I am an american citizen. I have been all of my life.



[edit on 29-4-2006 by tsensel]

My statement still stands, You are the extremist on here. You are the one espousing hate and violence and attributing it all to Americans, Mexican or whom ever else is in your sights.
As for name calling, well lets see..."I'm so stupid I need to go read a book"..."I have ignorant posts"(that you respond too) and whats with the "people like you"??
You mean people that disagree with you?
I guess you want everyone to agree with what ever you say. That is too Marxist for me sorry.
I really do not want to get into all the little quote boxes, and little one line comments to defend my intelligence, indicate my IQ or defend any radical, extremist ideology.
It is just that I disagree with anything even remotely resembling Islamic Injustice and will continue to until they stop sending children out to die in Homicide Bombing, stop with the Beheading Videos and stand and face the world for their crimes against humanity.
Yes, before you get to it, I know all about the Bushbashing, Anti-American, Anti-Western, we are the real Terrorist propaganda, so you can save that.
Just remember while we build schools, water plants and give out the first toilet paper in their lives. They continue to kill women, children and their own people.

If you think you're so stupid then why don't you go and read a book. Instead of just letting the federal government run things for you?

This is what i said.

I did not say.

You're so stupid you need to go read a book

I was commenting on

(yes smarted than me or you)

.....

Why don't you want to get into quote box wars? I mean, you're obviously taking my statements out of context. With a spin and slant.

No, I dont want you to agree with everything i say. I want you to take a look at my evidence that i have provided. Which you have conviently ignored in every single one of your replies.

I WANT YOU TO LOOK AT MY EVIDENCE.

THAT IS ALL IVE ASKED IN THE PAST UMPTEEN POSTS AND YOU HAVE REFUSED TO DO SO EVERY TIME.

that, is what im saying.

go to www.freestate.tv...

Sign up.

Download "Mohamad Atta and the venice flying circus"

I'm paying out of my own pocket to host these videos so that evidence will be freely avalible. Go look at it.



[edit on 29-4-2006 by tsensel]

What evidence?
I ask to see the Mexican Beheading videos. They were not forth coming.
I wanted to see American suicide/homicide bombers, again no evidence.
You have stated that the attackers on 9/11 were not Muslim, then again you said they were.
The reason I do not respond to some of your posting is that you obviously are extremist and no matter what I say, I will never be able to change Hate. Hate is what it is and I'm sorry for that.
And the quote box thing is nice, if you don't want to put your own expressions on ATS. I choose to express myself and the feelings/thoughts I have at the moment.
And please feel free to make whatever innuenos you like in place of coming straightout with name calling. I am fully aware of your intention. I can take it, the differing opinions on here result in an emotional response from time to time. That does not make it Injustice, just an emotional response.
Remember.."Sometimes, even a cigar is just a cigar"

So how much do you get paid to post on here?

The disinformation job sounds like fun. Where do i sign up?

Anyone else besides police officer who might be reading this, please look at my evidence as he has refused to do.



[edit on 29-4-2006 by tsensel]

Why is what I post disinformation and what you post information? Because you can use google and put a link up? For every link you have provided, there are several that are in direct opposition. That is true all over the internet. So why waste the time.
Again it is obvious that whom ever disagrees with you is now a disinformation specialist.
Islamic Injustice? Not hardly.
How about Islamic Extremism.
Sorry that I can not fall into goose step with everything that you say. Sadly, I have my own ideas, and thoughts and ATS is here for me to express them.
The intolerance of other peoples ideas, and thoughts and yes even religious beliefs is the very foundation for what you are espousing. Your very obvious intollerance for my opinions that differ from yours, are the most direct indicator that Islamic Injustice may exist, but Injustice FROM Islam is more prevalent on this thread at least.

It's how you keep repeating the horrific things which divide our peoples. This generates hatred and racism. It's the same sort of thing you see on fox news and cnn. Now, i'm not saying it shouldn't be reported on. What i'm saying is the slant and spin associated with it is what leads me to believe that you're a disinformationist.

Lets take this from another angle.

Please prove to me how you know 19 arabs hijacked 4 planes and hit 75% of their targets.

edit.

and you still haven't looked at the video.



[edit on 29-4-2006 by tsensel]

How do you know they didn't?
As I was there the following day, I have some small first hand knowledge, at least in digging the dead bodies out of the rubble.
OK lets examine your last post.
CNN reports it, FOX reports it, MSNBC reports it, BBC reports it,
OSB commended them..... on and on and on.

I saw the horror, the pain, the incredible, cowardly results of the action.

YOU say it is not true.

Well it is obvious who I am going to believe.
But again, I freely admit it is simply my opinion after hearing the tapes from the phone calls and the planes. But again only my opinion.

The trouble is, I have no trouble with your opinion. I am an AMERICAN and have actually fought and bled so that all Americans can have their opinion. I value yours no less because you do not agree with me, cnn, fox, msnbc, the tapes from flight 93, obl, or any of a hundred other sources. You still have a right to voice your opinion.

It is Injustice from Islam that apparently wants me to not express my opinion.

Originally posted by police_officer339
How do you know they didn't?
As I was there the following day, I have some small first hand knowledge, at least in digging the dead bodies out of the rubble.
OK lets examine your last post.
CNN reports it, FOX reports it, MSNBC reports it, BBC reports it,
OSB commended them..... on and on and on.

I saw the horror, the pain, the incredible, cowardly results of the action.

YOU say it is not true.

Well it is obvious who I am going to believe.
But again, I freely admit it is simply my opinion after hearing the tapes from the phone calls and the planes. But again only my opinion.

The trouble is, I have no trouble with your opinion. I am an AMERICAN and have actually fought and bled so that all Americans can have their opinion. I value yours no less because you do not agree with me, cnn, fox, msnbc, the tapes from flight 93, obl, or any of a hundred other sources. You still have a right to voice your opinion.

It is Injustice from Islam that apparently wants me to not express my opinion.

Where is your proof that Islamic Terrorists carried out 9/11?

What does being there that day have anything to do with you know that islamic terrorists carried out 9/11?

Bay of tonkin....

Have you even read the official report?

As for the cell phone calls. There is something in the order of a 0.000001% probability to get a phone call off at 25,000 feet. Which is where flight 93 was when the phone calls came in.

www.physics911.net...

www.washingtonpost.com...
......


I was going to join the coast guard search and rescue back in 2000. That is when i found out about Executive order 13139.

Sorry, but if getting experimental vaccinations is apart of "serving my country". I don't want any part of it. However, I did go to alabama and louisina after katrina. Fourtunately, all my family in louisina was safe when the hurricane hit. There is more than one way to serve your country. And you don't have to do it by putting a flag on your arm.



[edit on 29-4-2006 by tsensel]

I am very sorry for how you feel.
That you would post something as incredulas as that and not expect free thinkers to disagree goes far toward a state of mind. One in which I am sorry I can not engage in anymore.
When anyone posts something as unbelievable as the 9/11 Muslim Terrorist were not exactly that and then demand proof when someone disagrees with them, goes to far into the area of childish conversation for me. And sadly, yes I did engage in it. sorry.
I will refrain from anymore nanana booboos in the future.
though I abhor doing this
For anyone else who wants the truth and is tired of this banter.

dailytimes.com.pk...

www.washingtonpost.com...

www.cbsnews.com...

All three from very LIBERAL sources, so perhaps even slanted towards the extremists.

Originally posted by police_officer339
dailytimes.com.pk...

www.washingtonpost.com...

www.cbsnews.com...

I will check this information out. Hell i'll even buy the book and read it. I'll get back to you after i've done so.

Please do the same for the videos and information i've linked.

We'll start another thread after all evidence is reviewed. Sound fair?

Gotta love the exchange of information.
I do

Tinsel...you are correct on the percentage, however accuracy would greatly depend on current weather conditions, air circulation, etc. If one was successful with the call then more would be also. If you hold your hands out you are holding signals..your phones ability to retrive those signals and quite frankly close to zero. ATT is a CDMA (Code Division Mulitple Access) access with analog digital overlay system, which can be intruded upon. I would have acquired the call records from ATT, which I am hopeful investigators did. ATT-Lucent technologies own the cell trunks and towers.

What intrigues me is the wording in the conversations...

*I do declare that I am really a former tech-trainer-troubleshooter for Sprint PCS.

Originally posted by nephyx
So whats your solution to this? if you met me in real life, what would you want to do`?

FYI , I have lots of american friends, but the main difference between you and them. They respect other nations, relegions and cultures. they feel sorry for your government's wrong policies in the middleeast and try their best to explain to their fellow americans about american government's atrocities in the middleeast. they don't use racists' statements or stereotypes when they argue with arabs and muslims. they believe that any injustice in this world is not justified as you claim.
they hate hypocrisy, intolerant, discrimination, racism, islam and arab phobia in the west .


What would I do ? I would just say Hi, Or do you really believe western media's lies about arabs and muslims.

Originally posted by scarecrow19d
Dana,
All I can say is thank God I am American. I love being from the greatest country in the World where people aren't killed because they believe in some radical sect of a cult called Islam.

The US is the greatest country this sorry world has ever seen and will continue to be the greatest despite the pathetic attempts of the people of the ME will change that.

[edit on 27-4-2006 by sanctum]

CONGRATULATION FOR YOUR GREATNESS.

who cares about americans, what we are asking from you ...JUST LEAVE US ALONE AND DON'T INTERFERE IN ARAB AND MUSLIM AFFAIRS.

Originally posted by dana2006

Originally posted by scarecrow19d
Dana,
All I can say is thank God I am American. I love being from the greatest country in the World where people aren't killed because they believe in some radical sect of a cult called Islam.

The US is the greatest country this sorry world has ever seen and will continue to be the greatest despite the pathetic attempts of the people of the ME will change that.

[edit on 27-4-2006 by sanctum]

CONGRATULATION FOR YOUR GREATNESS.

who cares about americans, what we are asking from you ...JUST LEAVE US ALONE AND DON'T INTERFERE IN ARAB AND MUSLIM AFFAIRS.

We'll be happy to leave you alone, so long as your people quit flying planes into our buildings and making daily threats against us.