The AMA - Meanest Monopoloy Ever Organized!

The medico-drug cartel was summed up by J.W Hodge, M.D., of Niagara Falls, N.Y., in these words: 'The medical monopoly or medical trust, euphemistically called the American Medical Association, is not merely the meanest monopoly ever organized, but the most arrogant, dangerous and despotic organization which ever managed a free people in this or any other age. Any and all methods of healing the sick by means of safe, simple and natural remedies are sure to be assailed and denounced by the arrogant leaders of the AMA doctors' trust as fakes, frauds and humbugs Every practioner of the healing art who does not ally himself with the medical trust is denounced as a 'dangerous quack' and impostor by the predatory trust doctors. Every sanitarian who attempts to restore the sick to a state of health by natural means without resort to the knife or poisonous drugs, disease imparting serums, deadly toxins or vaccines, is at once pounced upon by these medical tyrants and fanatics, bitterly denounced, vilified and persecuted to the fullest extent.'

(see The Drug Story for more revelations about the AMA, the House of Rockefeller and the pharmaceutical industry)

source: educate-yourself.org...

The House of Rockefeller. What a joke. One of the families that runs this country and most of the world. The AMA and the Rockefellers are not out for anyone's best interest but their own.

By the way, the AMA was found guilty of conspiracy against chiropractors in 1987 by a federal judge and fined a couple of million dollars. Here in America, a relentless campaign of misinformation, fraud, deception, and suppression of alternative therapies and healers has been in place for the better part of this century in order to keep highly effective alternative therapies from reaching any significant plateau of public awareness. Control is exerted through "news items" and propaganda from pro-establishment organizations like The American Medical Association, The American Cancer Society, The Diabetes Foundation, etc.; local medical boards; and government agencies like the FDA, The National Institute of Health (NIH), and The National Cancer Institute (NCI), The National Academy of Science, etc. with the full cooperation of main-stream media of course .

Great example of this conspiracy is the abuse the Chiropractic field got for a very long time until 1987 when the AMA was found guilty of conspiracy against chiropractors.

There is, in truth, a concerted, organized agenda -concocted, planned, and contrived by the international pharmaceutical companies and organized medicine to suppress any and every alternative, non-drug therapy that WORKS. Why?

Because they want people to keep on coming back for more treatments and more drugs.

A cured patient is a lost source of income. A sick patient who is marginally "improved" is a manageable patient.

Managing patients means routine office visits and renewing of drug prescriptions. Therefore, a manageable patient is a continuing source of income; a cash cow if you will. Multiply that by a few hundred million people and you get an idea why this deceit is being put upon you. The profits from the so called "health-care" industry are staggering!

Managing sickness instead of curing it is a HUGE source of income for scum bags like the Rockefellers and their kind. And who's in bed with them? The American Medical Association, The American Cancer Society, The Diabetes Foundation, etc.; local medical boards; and government agencies like the FDA, The National Institute of Health (NIH), and The National Cancer Institute (NCI), The National Academy of Science, etc.

Example in my own life: The recommended daily allowance for Vitamin C is about 60 mg per day or so. That's a complete joke. That amount of Vitamin C per day does nothing but cause us all to walk around with a form of scurvy which can cause all kinds of health problems including heart disease. I take 2000 mg of Vitamin C per day. All the organizations mentioned above DO NOT want us to be healthy. There's no money in that. They want us sick and they want to maintain our sickness!

[edit on 15-4-2006 by Excitable_Boy]

"Every profession is a conspiracy against the laity." (I don't know the author.

Auto mechanics conspire to keep you coming back. So does the Orkin man and the appliance repair man.

The only thing that can keep you from being the cash cow that all professions see you to be is knowledge. Hence our motto:

Deny Ignorance.

It is very sad that the medical profession is in on this, but its also human nature. Your doctor does not see you as a human being, they see you as a trip to Mexico

Just my thoughts,

Originally posted by mrwupy

Your doctor does not see you as a human being, they see you as a trip to Mexico

Abso-damn-lutely. I hate the b'tards.

Your doctor does not see you as a human being, they see you as a trip to Mexico

How true and how disgusting! Take dentists. I went to the dentist last year and was told I had 4 cavities. I blew off my appointment to get them filled and then went a year later for another cleaning (just recently) and had only 2 cavaties. Now explain to me how I went from 4 to 2 without having any work done? I'll tell you how...they make the crap up. I'm not even going to get these 2 that I supposedly have now filled. Plus...I had hurt a back tooth and thought I broke it or knocked a filling out. They took an x-ray and the dentist said "It is probably cracked. It didn't show up on the x-ray, but that's not unusual. We can start off by giving you a crown and see how that works out...if it doesn't work, then we can do a root canal." Ha?? Eventually, on its own, my tooth stopped bothering me. But if I was naive and stupid, I probably would have had the work done....and those are the kinds of people they take advantage of.

And people wonder why insurance is so high when doctors and dentists are doing tests, xrays, other work, operations, etc...that are not needed. Makes me sick (which of course, makes the doctors happy).

That's why my Dad used to call 'em all croakers.

I am fortunate to have a good doctor as my PCP and another good doctor in the family by marriage. Both are open to alternative therapies and not averse to holistic practices. They like to see healthy people walk out of their offices and not have to come back too often.

It is crucial to research and interview your prospective physicians at length to determine their standard of care and how they approach medicine. You are literally putting your life in your doctor's hands and you must have complete confidence in doing so.

It's really annoying when people generalize about a given profession. Sure, if you go to a private physician or dentist you will probably be price gauged and treated like a cash cow. But what about public health physicians like I will be in a year? We get paid a standard rate per year no matter if we see 100 patients or 10000 patients, we get no kickbacks from using this drug or that drug, we don't get any frills from drug reps, etc.

Landis, can you explain to me how we in public health are "b'tards"? We devote our career to helping people the private docs won't or would charge to much to help. We are doctors, just like the rest of the private docs, but according to you and excitable, we are ALL bad?

I'm just trying to get the point across that when you guys generalize about an entire career, of which there are hundred of thousands of members, it makes you come across as uneducated and silly.

~MFP

I'm just trying to get the point across that when you guys generalize about an entire career, of which there are hundred of thousands of members, it makes you come across as uneducated and silly.

Listen med student...I'm neither uneducated nor silly. I'm talking about your profession as a whole and most of the people in it. Obviously there are some in it that are just fine and actually decent human beings. But that is not how most are.....and you know that!

You haven't even joined the game yet. You are the one that is quite naive!

[edit on 15-4-2006 by Excitable_Boy]

I'm talking about your profession as a whole and most of the people in it. Obviously there are some in it that are just fine and actually decent human beings. But that is not how most are.....and you know that!

You haven't even joined the game yet. You are the one that is quite naive!

Excitable, I'm very sorry you don't understand the process of medical training, and I'm also very sorry you don't realise there is a world outside of your own country. In Europe, MOST doctors work in public health. We get paid very little for the amount of time and education we commit to. Also, as for me being "naive" about the profession, you DO know that beginning in the first year of formal training, a medical students works in the hospital with graduated doctors and residents so that she can get a feel for what life in a hospital is like, right? I mean, how can I be naive about the medical profession when I am working in and around a hospital nearly everyday?

Again, I'm terribly sorry that you feel the need to make brash, sweeping judgements about a profession that is not limited just to your nation.

~MFP

I'm very sorry you don't understand the process of medical training, and I'm also very sorry you don't realise there is a world outside of your own country.

1. I understand the process of medical training
2. I realize there is a vast world beyond my own

In Europe, MOST doctors work in public health. We get paid very little for the amount of time and education we commit to.

It's humorous that you are trying to prove something to me and others by saying that doctors in Italy get paid very little for their time and education. This statement alone proves that it is all about money to you...otherwise, why bring it up? Seems you have a bit of a resentment there. Maybe talk to a shrink about that.....

how can I be naive about the medical profession when I am working in and around a hospital nearly everyday?

Obviously, quite easily.

Originally posted by bsl4doc

Again, I'm terribly sorry that you feel the need to make brash, sweeping judgements about a profession that is not limited just to your nation.

~MFP

Please take note of the thread title:

"The AMA - Meanest Monopoloy Ever Organized!"

The AMA is the American Medical association. This topic has nothing to do with any other country.

Please stay on topic.

It's humorous that you are trying to prove something to me and others by saying that doctors in Italy get paid very little for their time and education. This statement alone proves that it is all about money to you...otherwise, why bring it up? Seems you have a bit of a resentment there. Maybe talk to a shrink about that.....

The point of my statement is to show that I could just as easily take my education and go into private care, just as some doctors do, in order to make more money, but most European doctors don't. How does this prove money is a deciding factor for me? Maybe I'm just not understand your logic, or lack thereof.

~MFP

Please take note of the thread title:

"The AMA - Meanest Monopoloy Ever Organized!"

The AMA is the American Medical association. This topic has nothing to do with any other country.

Please stay on topic.

Mr. Wupy, when they began attacking ALL doctors, not just specific ones or even just American doctors, that opened the debate to the discussion of the medical profession in general, not just the AMA. The natural progression of a debate/conversation may take turns and change slightly. Or do you want me to start a new thread everytime a point is raised that may not mention the AMA specifically. That would make for a lot of extremely closely related threads, no?

~MFP

Well i'm not a mod in this forum so what i've had to say has been as a member just adding to the conversation. I suppose I should add this now:

Mr. Wupy, when they began attacking ALL doctors, not just specific ones or even just American doctors, that opened the debate to the discussion of the medical profession in general, not just the AMA

It's hard to argue with someone who is right.

wupy

[edit on 15-4-2006 by mrwupy]

I'm sorry, Wupy, I can't tell if you were trying to say they were right by marginalizing all doctors' work, or if I was right by discussing other medical systems in your above post. The wording is a bit ambiguous as far as "hard to argue with someone who is right". Either way, that's a bit condescending and biased coming from a mod, no?

~MFP

[edit on 4/15/2006 by bsl4doc]

Originally posted by bsl4doc

Landis, can you explain to me how we in public health are "b'tards"? We devote our career to helping people the private docs won't or would charge to much to help. We are doctors, just like the rest of the private docs, but according to you and excitable, we are ALL bad?

I've watched the medical system in this country slowly kill my grandfather, father, and great aunt. Negligence, indifference, and plain old sociopathy played their respective roles.

Doctors suck. Nurses are morons.

You want details? I'll be happy to provide them:

1. Administration of the wrong chemotherapeutic medication;
2. Near administration of the wrong blood type because the nurse failed to read an armband to verify the identity of the patient;
3. Failure to follow sterile procedures while cleaning a Hickman site - TWICE resulting in near-catastrophic infection;
4. Moldy sandwiches in the patient refrigerator because the fat-butt nurses ate all the fresh ones;
5. Failure by medical staff to assist a patient out of a tub resulted in a broken hip. They "coached" instead. WTF is that?;
6. Refusal to allow legally appointed MPA's to view patient charts;
7. A patient laid on the floor for 30 minutes after falling out of bed because the staff were having a meeting!;
8. Failure to notify a physician on a holiday resulted in a patient needing extensive bowel surgery. Thus, I hate holidays!;
9. Physician prescription of wrong chemo med for type of cancer directly caused the death of a patient;
10. Intervals of two to five hours when patients saw and/or heard no staff on the floor;
11. Early scheduling of diagnostic tests resulted in a patient missing breakfast. This happened at least twice per week for TWO YEARS;
12. Violent behavior and profane language used toward a patient who called for assistance in making it to the bedside commode. The patient waited 25 minutes for staff to answer the call button and had an accident;
13. Slapping a patient for readjusting a nasal cannula that was stabbing the patient in the septum;
14. Bad-mouthing and making fun of a frightened patient who was upset about facing death within earshot of that patient...

Shall I continue? Do you get the picture?

ALL of this and MORE happened to just three members of MY family. Multiply that by the number of hospitals, etc., that are out there. The problem is HUGE.

BTW, the hospitals involved are considered good hospitals. Yeah. Right.

I'm JUST a little upset right now, so I won't be responding to this thread for at least a few hours unless someone else ticks me off. Right now, that's a distinct possibility.

DENY IGNORANCE, see a veterinarian instead.

I'm sorry, Wupy, I can't tell if you were trying to say they were right by marginalizing all doctors' work, or if I was right by discussing other medical systems in your above post.

It appears that tremendous education hasn't served you too well. It's quite obvious the mod was on your side on this one. Doesn't take a brain surgeon to see that!



[edit on 15-4-2006 by Excitable_Boy]

Landis, I have also had a grandfather in a hospital for an extended amount of time due to cancer, and he did not experience any of these things. Yes, I'm positive bad things happen, more often than we would like for them to, but you can't just take a handful of bad experiences and label ALL doctors and nurses as bad, evil, negligent, etc.

The point I'm trying to make is that maybe you people who have had bad experience should, oh I don't know, do something about it? There is always legal recourse. Sure, American doctors have malpractice insurance for that sort of thing, but do you think they want their premiums to go up? If you have documents evidence of these things happening or even just several witnesses, as well as the person's medical record to show the emergency bowel surgery, I don't see how the doctor could escape being punished. A private doctor near my grandmother's house in Milano lost his license to practice because he was found guilty in two cases of negligent prescriptions. So, like I said, SAY SOMETHING about it, instead of just abandoning hope and taking it. It seems like a lot of problems in your country stem from this kind of behaviour...

~MFP

It appears that tremendous education hasn't served you too well. It's quite obvious the mod was on your side on this one. Doesn't take a brain surgeon to see that!

There's the Excitable_Boy I know, the one who runs out of poorly supported theories and resorts to petty name calling =). I guess I won this one.

~MFP

god.

bsldoc, you may or may not be a bastard; as i am not personally acquainted with you I am unable to pass conclusive judgement on this issue.

however, the fact remains that the global body of medical practitioners, upon whom we rely for our continued well-being, has in large part been perverted in this purpose by lust for material gain.

it's just great that you're in school, and i am so happy for you, but this doesn't invalidate the idea behind this thread-- the governing influences responsible for the regulation of the medical profession are self-serving to an extreme that endangers millions, if not billions, of human lives.

we don't care how much you get paid, all right? this thread isn't about you. it is about an organization of people with insidious and dangerous designs for humanity.

other posters have made clear the reason for our passion about this issue; as for myself, my father is presently enjoying a prolonged vacation from reality (and work, and being able to take care of himself to any degree) thanks to a botched surgery and a horrifically inadequate regimen of medications. we have sought out accountability amongst those responsible for this state of affairs, and found none.

doctors, on the whole, are bastards... there may have been one or two okay guys in the German National Socialist Worker's Party, but that doesn't mitigate the damage done by the vast majority of their counterparts.

Originally posted by bsl4doc
The wording is a bit ambiguous as far as "hard to argue with someone who is right". Either way, that's a bit condescending and biased coming from a mod, no?

~MFP

I was saying that you were right. Sorry about the confusion.