Originally posted by Saphronia
See, it's attacks like these that make black folk cringe.
It makes this white girl cringe, too. Because no matter how much good a man does in his life, no matter how hard he works, no matter how much he gives
of himself, if he is found to be imperfect in some way, if he cheats on his wife or maybe makes some decisions in bad judgment, some people will use
that to discount every good thing he's ever done. And I don't care what color he is or what color I am, that pisses me off.
And, jsobecky, I'm not asking you to love Rev. Jackson, but did you read the thread? Did you see how we're trying to be civil here and talk about
race and the issues that different races have with others? For you to come in this peaceful thread and blurt out that one of the most respected black
icons is nothing but a shakedown artist is just about the rudest thing I've ever seen you do. Believe whatever you want about Jackson, but what kind
of response are you hoping for with that statement? You had to know that would piss people off. Yet it was important for you to say. Again. We all
know what you think about Jackson, ok?
Please, this is not about attacking leaders of races, it's about talking, conversing, discussing. Can we just try to keep it cool?
I do agree with you that we would do better to laugh at ourselves. If we could give up the negative feelings even about negative stereotypes, we'd be
a lot better off.
cici- I am not familiar with the old films you're talking about, but I do recall seeing people in 'blackface' on TV. I don't find it funny, but I
also don't find it offensive
Originally posted by ceci2006
Or, it's nothing to laugh about when Al Jolson goes in "Black Face" and sings "Mammy".
This is what I'd like to know. Can you explain to me why this is so offensive? Is it because there were black actors around but at the time, people
would rather hire a white actor and dress him up as a black man?
I don't think this scene is particularly funny but I don't 'get' why it's offensive.
When I hear about something like this, I can't understand why black people are STILL, in 2006, upset about what happened in the past. I do understand
that it was terrible the way black people used to be (and sometimes still are) treated, but why hold onto this past transgression today?
I try to imagine how it might feel to you. The first thing that comes to mind is that women used to be treated like second class citizens. They
couldn't vote, they were kept down, their job was to take care of the home and have kids. They were (and sometimes still are) beaten to keep them in
line and to this day, they make less money than men doing the same job.
Now, me being a woman, if I took the same approach to the past as most black people I know, I would be mad at men and still hold onto the way women
were treated back then. But what good would that do me? How women were treated in the past has never been a motivational factor for me to pursue a
better future. I understand that that's just the way people did things back then.
Society didn't value women as much as they do today but
we've learned. We've grown. And I hope will continue to gain equality in the sexes.
Now, I sincerely hope I haven't offended anyone, but I honestly don't understand why black people hold onto the past and seem to use it as a valid
reason to hate the white folk.
I was no more a slave-owner than Saphronia was a slave, yet I somehow feel that because my ancestors may have had slaves (I don't know) I am somehow
responsible for their behavior. Actually, just because of the color of my skin, I feel like I'm supposed to be sorry for what other people (with the
same color skin) did. Which, by the way, was just the way people did things back then.
They enslaved a race. Yes, it's horribly wrong! It's
disgusting! However, we've learned. We've grown. And I hope will continue to gain equality in the races.
This is one thing I've never understood. And I don't buy that it's because I'm white. That it's 'a black thing' and I could only understand if
I was black. Because I am a human, a compassionate woman and women have a dark history and it doesn't affect me at all. I won't be kept down by our
collective past. I won't let the past dictate who I am today. And many black people do. I'd love to understand why.