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posted by Ceci: “It's hard not be pessimistic when it’s a positive discussion about race. I too wish that others would join in because it would bring a different thread to the fabric of the discussion. It makes me sad to count all the threads that demean other races while there is one that features an open discussion, no one wants to put their two cents in. So, I'll just ask more questions to see if someone can respond: What questions about another race would you like to know the most - if you could ask them? I'm too decent a person to do that. [Edited by Don W]
Originally posted by missed_gear
Well basically because it is a very easy claim to make…
Originally posted by danigirl1974
Why is there no other race of people that must QUALIFY for affirmative action?
Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
My guess is that Native Americans are required to have proof of heritage because it's not easy to tell their heritage by sight. Also, I believe there are extra benefits that Native Americans qualify for beyond being labeled as a minority. That's all just a guess, though.
Originally posted by donwhite
Now, Missed Gear, is this what you wanted to hear?
Originally quoted by seagull
Each case should be judged separately, as it comes up. In that I do agree with you, but alot of people find it easier to use the stereotypical to judge all cases "equally". I find myself doing that sometimes, a kneejerk reaction to events going on around me. This is illustrated very clearly in the ongoing immigration debate. Kneejerk reactions all over the place. This is where the stereotyping of people does its most grievous amount of damage. Heat of the moment actions, with sometimes regrettable consequences.
Originally quoted by danigirl1974
That doesn't clarify in my mind why Natvie Americans are the only group required to provide such documentation. That's great that the employers get a break for hiring Native Americans. Is that not true for every other member of a minority? Why aren't Vietnamese or Hispanics required to register or prove their minority status? I'm just saying, if you are fighting for equal rights, fight for everyone. Not only one group because it affects you personally. In that stance, you are fighting racism with racism.
Originally quoted by donwhite
Every public issue in America begins with race and ends with race. We can’t get over it. Richard Nixon exploited racism in 1968 when he decried busing as “wasteful” of public funds. Ronald Reagan exploited racism in 1982 when he invited the Southern Democrats (called boll weevils) over to the Republican Party where they found a welcome home and have managed to take over the south because GOP equals Racists. Recall Jesse Helm's Pink Slip ads.
Dems sure as heck are not perfect, but Dems did not do that! Dems seek judges who will support and enlarge racial justice in America. Republicans seek judges who won’t, like Clarence Thomas, who I call a cannibal because he “eats” his own kind to get ahead in whitey’s world. Recall Bush 41 and Willie Horton. Recall Bush 43 and his uncritical involvement with the Born Again Evangelicals? Everyone knows what that means in racial terms.
Now, Ceci, is this what you wanted to hear?
posted by Saphronia: “The thing that bugs me about race is there are a lot of folk here that don't know they are racist . . out here claiming they love everybody ‘but Jesse Jackson . . but Rev. Al’ . . So all your but's are just racism. Johnny Cochran played the "race card" and OJ got off. Now, they sum up every issue of racism with two li’l words "race card . . case closed.” (Well, maybe 4 words.) [Edited by Don W]
posted by seagull: “Donwhite. GOP equals racist? I would say that those particular ads were playing to a wider audience then just "racist Republicans" of which there are, no doubt, a number. But you are painting with an awfully broad brush, my friend, when you say GOP equal racist. [Edited by Don W]
The Democrats, particularly just after reconstruction ended, were the ones who installed and enforced the segregationist laws the South.
Originally posted by Saphronia
It let's them off the hook because we won't.
We tend to hold them responsible for everything every racist white person has said or done to us.
We come into every situation skeptical of the "type" of white person we are dealing with...because to be honest, we just don't know and experience tells us to be guarded.
posted by southern_Guardian: “First of all. Race has no biological foundation in homo sapiens. Race was the term brought up by the Nazi party to refer to the Jews, e.g a Jewish race. [Edited by Don W]
Third of all. The reason why race is not talked about more is because it hits some people personally. Ethnicity, culture or human ethnic groups are a more appropriate term. People use these topics to spread their beliefs. But I believe that the mods should take a look into this problem. ATS is not a breeding ground for anti-social people, and I hope to see it continue as it is.
Originally posted by southern_Guardian
Yes there are human groups.Their refered to as ethnicities.
Ethnicity is a more appropriate term (most dictionaries have the meaning incorrect,this does not refer to racial groups,but cultural and common traits)
There are probably afew african america,hispanic,polynesian and asian members here who might take the term race as offensive.
Originally quoted by seagull
Looks like the thread has taken off. And you didn't even have to insult anyone .
Originally quoted by donwhite
It seems to me we have the Wrong Proportion of African Americans in America. In states where the AA population is low, like 1% of less, there is no race problem. It is my theory that up to 5% African American population causes no discernable dissension. I hate to keep saying “problem” as if it was the AA’s problem when it is in fact the white person’s problem but manifested on the black person.
Over 5% up to about 40% and you have the situation we have in America. Pervasive racism but now, politely inflicted. If the black population is around 50% of more, there is no “problem” between the races.
Imperfect explanation, but you may get my drift.
Originally quoted by Saphronia
I was just telling my sister that white folk seem to try too hard, and the more they try, the harder black folk are on them. Not that racism is just a black or white issue, but after reading BH's post, it just made me think that its no wonder white folk had to invent the "race card". It let's them off the hook because we won't. We tend to hold them responsible for everything every racist white person has said or done to us. We come into every situation skeptical of the "type" of white person we are dealing with...because to be honest, we just don't know and experience tells us to be guarded.
Orginally quoted by southern_Guardian
People use these topics to spread their beliefs.Maby they dont know what their doing.As another member had mentioned,most members do not know their racist.And he/she is correct to an extent.But I believe that the mods should take alook into this problem.ATS is not a breeding ground for ill-social people,and i hope to see it continue as is.
An ethnic group is a human population whose members identify with each other, usually on the basis of a presumed common genealogy or ancestry (Smith 1986). Ethnic groups are also usually united by common cultural, behavioural, linguistic, or religious practices. In this sense, an ethnic group is also a cultural community.
The term race distinguishes a population of humans (or non-humans) from other populations. The most widely used human racial categories are based on visible traits (especially skin color and facial features), genes, and self-identification. Conceptions of race, as well as specific racial groupings, vary by culture and over time and are often controversial, for scientific reasons as well as their impact on social identity and identity politics. Legal definitions, common usage, and scientific meaning can all be conflated, and care must be taken to note the context in which it is used.