Originally quoted by donwhite
It seems to me we have the Wrong Proportion of African Americans in America. In states where the AA population is low, like 1% of less, there is no
race problem. It is my theory that up to 5% African American population causes no discernable dissension. I hate to keep saying “problem” as if it
was the AA’s problem when it is in fact the white person’s problem but manifested on the black person.
Over 5% up to about 40% and you have the situation we have in America. Pervasive racism but now, politely inflicted. If the black population is around
50% of more, there is no “problem” between the races.
Imperfect explanation, but you may get my drift.
If you mean that if there should more inclusion of African-Americans, I think that should be the case. However, if there is a low percentage of
African Americans in a particular state (such as Idaho or Iowa [folks, correct me if I'm wrong]), the problem is that the states in themselves have
not been forthcoming to allow other people live there peacefully, let alone without racial contention. And to keep things status quo, they are not
about to let that change through an aura of "intimidation"--quietly or overt.
My favorite travel stories is when I was going to Michigan, but I had to stay in Nebraska for a night. I went into a Mc Donalds to get something to
eat. It was one of those small towns in which there were little to no Black people in them (well, none that I could see anyway). It was like your
typical all-American town. Stars and Stripes hanging from every house and a church nearly on every corner. But when I walked into that fast food
restaurant, every White face in the joint stopped their conversations and their eating and just stared at me. It was unnerving to walk in there
because usually, you'd think nothing about getting your food and getting out of there. But this time, I felt like Cleavon Little in "Blazing
Saddles" as he was approaching the little town he was to protect as sheriff.
So, if you think that problems are low in a town with little diversity, they still exist. And in my extended relatives' little towns in which they
live, the Black people do have their moments of trying to integrate. Once, a cousin told me, that the people in the town she lived in tried to have a
Juneteenth celebration (a celebration in which the state of Texas finally acknowledged Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation--several months late.
However, this is celebrated in many states amongst many enclaves of the Black community). And while they had the parade and the barbecue, some White
people tried to put a stop to the proceedings. Things got ugly. But they had the celebration anyway. However, the celebration was pretty much
treated by some enclaves of Whites in the same way that you see people complaining about the protesters for immigration waving Mexican flags.
The divisions in that area clearly showed the contempt for anything different. But that didn't stop everyone from having their "yellow ribbons" on
the cars and the American flag pasted on their gun racks. Somehow, everyone in that little town knew that they were Americans. Still racism boiled
under the surface. Even the churches demonstrated this fact. After all, some people say that Sunday is probably the most segregated day of the year.
Whites went to their churches. And Blacks went to theirs, so on and so forth.
The more integration people of color experience with White people, the problems, I agree, are "politely inflicted". But, in this same way, this
allows people more contact with each other. And within that contact, more people can approach each other and ask the questions that need to be asked.
I believe that in a multi-cultural situation (with Latinos, Asians, etc.) can dampen the racial tension that happens in places of less diversity.
But that is not to say that the tension disappears.
However, there are more venues in which these issues can be worked out and agreements can be made. But, there are still situations that in which the
racism can be subtly played out. But also, there are more groups that integrate and live with one another. And that is more important to me. People
do feel more comfortable with their own. But that cannot be the only way. I love going to different neighborhoods and mingling with other groups of
people. I've learned quite a deal that way. And being in those situations, you learn customs as well as dispell stereotypes that the media might
put up about different races.
The more multi-cultural a situation is, the more effort is made to make everything inclusive. It's not to say that there are growing pains. They
exist. But, taking advantage of integration helps the progression of making the concerns of each race matter. And that's where my idealism
lie--when I'm not truly cynical about the world.
Originally quoted by Saphronia
I was just telling my sister that white folk seem to try too hard, and the more they try, the harder black folk are on them. Not that racism is just a
black or white issue, but after reading BH's post, it just made me think that its no wonder white folk had to invent the "race card". It let's
them off the hook because we won't. We tend to hold them responsible for everything every racist white person has said or done to us. We come into
every situation skeptical of the "type" of white person we are dealing with...because to be honest, we just don't know and experience tells us to
That is true. I know in my own experience, my parents are especially protective of themselves as well as my sister and myself. And, because each of
my nuclear family members have had our share of racist encounters, we have had to be guarded in society. Black people, in my experience, also even
classify White people by "types" by the things they do or say. That is bad.
However, this contributes to the effort of not suffering "indiginities" in public. This adds to the observation some people perceive of Black
people having a "chip on their shoulder". We do--because experience is a bitter teacher. African-Americans have endured and suffered a lot in
order to be part of society. And we still fight for issues of equality because the efforts of "polite, but cold" racism still exist. You can see it
in many laws passed by Congress. We know it and so do other people. So sometimes, we have to be vocal and let people know about it.
But in the same way, we, as Blacks, have to give people a break when they make an effort to try and build a bridge. There are some Black people who
are very closed minded about other races. That could be stemming from too many bad experiences. That, I consider very sad. It hurts me especially
when Benevolent Heretic tells her stories of trying to make connections. She was trying to make connections and was rebuked. What she experienced was
unjust. And I am very sorry it happened to her. It demonstrates that Black people too have issues to work out as America struggles to become more
inclusive for everyone.
And yes, we all have "racial baggage" that cannot be wrapped up neatly and made nicely. Bigotry is ugly and we have to confront it. Bring it out in
the open. Make our feelings real and known. Allow others to address those feelings and intently listen. These are the things that test one's true
character as a human being.
Orginally quoted by southern_Guardian
People use these topics to spread their beliefs.Maby they dont know what their doing.As another member had mentioned,most members do not know their
racist.And he/she is correct to an extent.But I believe that the mods should take alook into this problem.ATS is not a breeding ground for ill-social
people,and i hope to see it continue as is.
The problem is that people do use topics such as this one to spread their beliefs. And that is why I started this thread to address these issues.
Despite how I feel about the state of things in America, I still have that glimmer of hope that people can get together and transcend the boundaries
in their life. People need to talk with one another, ask questions as well as share things to sensitize others on their plight. As a result, we find
that we are more alike than we are separate.
If this thread can be used to educate people about race and racism, then it has served its purpose. And if this thread can be used to get others to
understand where they are coming from, I will be incredibly happy.
I see what you are trying to say. However, ethnicities and races are different things.
An ethnic group is a human population whose members identify with each other, usually on the basis of a presumed common genealogy or ancestry (Smith
1986). Ethnic groups are also usually united by common cultural, behavioural, linguistic, or religious practices. In this sense, an ethnic group is
also a cultural community.
The term race distinguishes a population of humans (or non-humans) from other populations. The most widely used human racial categories are based on
visible traits (especially skin color and facial features), genes, and self-identification. Conceptions of race, as well as specific racial groupings,
vary by culture and over time and are often controversial, for scientific reasons as well as their impact on social identity and identity politics.
Legal definitions, common usage, and scientific meaning can all be conflated, and care must be taken to note the context in which it is used.
An ethnic enclave might be like in Boston in which a lot of the Irish-Americans live. The Gullahs
are Black and Seminole. They are an Black and Native American in their racial make-up. But they are a Black ethnicity which has its enclave in South
Carolina. They even possess their own dialect.
Racial enclaves dictate to South Central or Boyle Heights in L.A or Third Ward in Houston. But inside these definitions, there are "national"
enclaves--even though the same race inhabits them. For example, I would include Chinatown and Little Tokyo in San Francisco. Not to mention Koreatown
But sometimes, it is naive to think that these problems do not exist. Biologically, we all may be alike. But because of those same racial
"categories", social divisions based on the law and perception have been created. As a result, it is time to stop denial and do something
beneficial that can help humanity get along with one another instead of fighting.
P.S. I give kudos to Benevolent Heretic, Saphronia, seagull and donwhite for their posts.
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