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The end of the United States as superpower, how far is it away?

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posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 11:26 AM
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All of us know the USD steadily declines compared to the Euro, causing major problems for the US, especially in the near future.

Nowadays we already see the first charasteristics of this scenario. But what happens if the end is there, and the Dollar really becomes valueless?

Most likely the US will lose its position as superpower, a civil war might occur and another country will take over the position of superpower. The US would furthermore be in a very weak position to defend the country against terrorist
attacks, if such a scenario occurs.

This makes me wonder if the US invaded Iraq only for its oil and money that could be made, rather then one of the US's last attempts to get the US economy running again.

My question is, how do you American citizens look towards this scenario, and would it be possible to compare with the great depression?







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The Fed knows that M3 is proof to the world's bankers and investors that the American dollar supply is rapidly increasing, and that therefore its value is decreasing. The Fed is afraid that foreign banks, who hold a giant chunk of our national debt, will want to dump their dollars. The Fed is also afraid that oil-producing countries will likewise want to stop selling their stuff in dollars, and switch to the euro.

What has the Fed done to address this situation?

It has decided to cover it up. Beginning today, it will no longer publish M3. From now on, nobody will now how many more dollars the Fed will create out of thin air.

And this will make a bad situation much worse. The Fed's refusal to tell us how many dollars there are, is a sign that it is too afraid to admit how worthless the dollar really is. The world will abandon the dollar, with disastrous effects for Americans. Prices of goods and services will rise quickly and drastically, while wages will not even remotely keep pace. The number of bankruptcies will explode. Our financial system will collapse.


www.partialobserver.com...




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What caused the Great Depression? To get a handle on that, it's necessary to look at previous depressions and compare. The Great Depression was by no means the first depression this country ever had, but it was clearly the worst. What made it different than the rest? At the time of the Great Depression, government intervention in the economy was higher than it had ever been and a special government agency had been set up specifically to prevent depressions and their associated problems, such as bank panics. This agency was the Federal Reserve Board and it was to have been the loaner of last resorts for banks in order to prevent collapses as had happened during earlier depressions. But as we'll see, there is good reason to believe that the Fed's actions explain a lot of the problems that lead up to the Stock market crash and the subsequent depression.


www.amatecon.com...




posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 12:37 PM
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The end of the US as a miliatry super power is readily precictable.

The half life of plutonium, used in nukes is 24110 years.

So we can expect the US to be a non-superpower by 26116 AD.

Mark yer calenders.

[edit on 14-4-2006 by Nygdan]



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 12:44 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
The end of the US as a miliatry super power is readily precictable.

The half life of plutonium, used in nukes is 24110 years.

So we can expect the US to be a non-superpower by 26116 AD.


So what happens if the US replaces current warheads with new plutonium.



In that case the date on the calendar would be useless.



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
The end of the US as a miliatry super power is readily precictable.

The half life of plutonium, used in nukes is 24110 years.

So we can expect the US to be a non-superpower by 26116 AD.

Mark yer calenders.

[edit on 14-4-2006 by Nygdan]


A wise lesson: you can't be a superpower with nuclear weapons only. What if all your dollars lost their value? Forgot what happened in Germany?

A civil war within the US wouldn't be very unlikely, what would the US government do? Nuke their own civilians?


You can take the mickey out of it, but we'll talk again as soon as the dollar isn't worth anything anymore.



[edit on 14-4-2006 by Mdv2]



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 01:02 PM
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Originally posted by Mdv2
A wise lesson: you can't be a superpower with nuclear weapons only. What if all your dollars lost their value?


The very same could be said for the Euro it too might collapse. What if all your Euros lost their value?

Will The Euro Collapse



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by shots

Originally posted by Mdv2
A wise lesson: you can't be a superpower with nuclear weapons only. What if all your dollars lost their value?


The very same could be said for the Euro it too might collapse. What if all your Euros lost their value?

Will The Euro Collapse


Interesting article.

However, for our problem there's a solution. Getting rid of poor performing countries such as Italy. Besides, it's being speculated that the EURO will replace the USD on the oil market.

The US economy heavily depends on the oil market. In Iraq 2/3 of the sales in oil have to be paid in EURO's already.

it is several years that a plan for establishment of an oil exchange center under the title of "Iran Oil Bourse" (IBO) is under discussion. (1) The most important point about the plan is that it wants to replace dollar with euro for the currency that is used for oil transactions. According to the existing schedule, the IBO will start functioning from March 2006. Some sources have claimed that the US is so sensitive to this move against dollar that it is going to attack Iran before the IOB starts working. These sources claim that the same issue instigated the US




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Over the last few days, there has been a number of articles in the media about the steady decline of the $US against the Euro. While many economists have forecasted the possiblity of the dollar declining against the Euro for sometime, most do not comprehend the significance of this. Some believe that the decline of the dollar against the currencies of American's trading partners will help correct the USA's trade deficit, and the dollar will stop falling when the trade imbalance is corrected. However, the evidence is that the opposite is happening - the $US has declined 40% against the Euro over the last 2 years, and during this time America's trade deficit has continues to deteriorate.

There is now nothing the USA can do to prevent the collapse of its currency, and its economy. It has no reserves to support its value, and has the most indebted country in the world, is dependant of the credit from America's former enemies. Over the last couple of days, both Russia and China have said they will be switching their considerable dollar reserves into Euro. This will only hasten the lack of confidence in the dollar, creating a global lack of confidence in the currency, and setting into free-fall. It will soon bring about the total collapse of the dollar, and the American economy.

The collapse of the dollar will throw the world into a global depression. Those nations with large external debts will not be able to trade sufficiently to earn the income to service their debts, and will slide into bankruptcy. The economies of New Zealand, Australia, Canada and the UK will also totally collapse, as a result of their indebtedness and not being able to service their borrowings. It will result in the Anglo-Saxon nations facing abject poverty, our people facing starvation, and a total break-down in society. Crime will become rampant. Law and order will cease to exist. Disease will become widespread.

The Asian economies, which have depended upon American trade, will also be severely affected. However, they will recover after a period, but only after considerable political and economic turmoil.

The EU will be in a much better position to survive the coming economic chaos. An influx of capital into the Euro zone by those selling dollars will provide the funding for rebuilding the economies of the new United States of Europe. However, the collapse of the $US will still severely affect the already depressed German and French economies. The resulting economic turmoil will create the need for the acceptance of a strong EU leader, who will be able to make the necessary political and economic reforms to enable Europe revive their economies. Those nations that accept the new EU Constitution will come under the control of this new leader, creating Europe as the world's new Super Power.

The Euro will become the world's only reserve currency, creating the means for the new United States of Europe to become the dominant economic power in the world. The new Europe will be able to dictate the terms on how the global economy should be run. They will take over the administration of America and Britain, placing the Anglo-Saxon people in bondage for repayment of their debts.

Americans do not appear to comprehend the bitterness that has grown around the world as a result of their illegal invasion of Iraq. While once Europeans looked up to, and admired America; today it is held in utter contempt for its arrogance and warmongering. Anti-European comments in the American media have only added to this hostility towards the US. America's attempt to impose its version of government on the world, its hypocrisy in claiming to be the moral leader of the world, while flooding the media with degenerate filth and garbage, has bought upon it disgust and contempt that few Americans can comprehend.






[edit on 14-4-2006 by Mdv2]



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 01:34 PM
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The US market depends on supply and demand. If the US can implement an alternative energy source on a grand scale, the US will be no longer dependent on oil. Our economy would then rely on supply and demand. The dollars value fluctuates often. It varies based in inflation and deflation. Such as now with the ammount of currency out there increasing, the dollar in deflate in value. Its the Feds job to control this by controlling the ammount of currency out there. I personally think the US should go back to the gold and silver standard.



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 02:18 PM
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posted by Mdv2:


posted by Nygdan
The end of the US as a military super power is readily predicable. The half life of plutonium . . the US to be a non-superpower by 26,116 AD. Mark your calenders. [Edited by Don W]


A wise lesson: you cannot be a superpower with nuclear weapons only.


I believe nuclear weapons are anachronistic. I know our own Geo W and VP Cheney do not agree, but alas, that too will pass away. Jan. 20, 2009. Since 1989, the US number of nukes has declined from about 30,000 to 5,000 under the dismantling treaty, leaving but 3,000 nukes declared by our government to be outside the treaty. About the same numbers are true with the old USSR’s nuclear bombs.


What if all your dollars lost their value? Forgot what happened in [Weimar] Germany ? A civil war within the US would be very likely, what would the US government do? Nuke their own civilians? [Edited by Don W]


Somewhere I read the US had 800 million ounces of gold in 1933. Then I read the US has 400 million ounces today. About 1/3 is at Ft. Knox, another third is in upstate New York, and the remaining 1/3 is in the basement of the Federal Reserve Bank in Manhattan. Gold is traded in 1000 ounce (Troy) bars, weighing about 85 lbs. Avoirdupois. Hard to steal.

In August, 1971, Nixon disconnected gold from printed money. Forever. Strict management of the amount of currency in print will work for a very long time. So far, the Federal Reserve system is doing a great job. Sure, the USD is facing more competition from the Euro and the Chinese yuan than any heretofore. If we really want to keep the USD as the world’s currency, we need to add foreign banks to the Fed System. There is not much time remaining to do that. Once the opportunity passes, it cannot be re-called.

Civil war? Not likely, Mdv2. The US has trained its volunteer army to fight urban guerillas. Unlike draftees, the volunteer army may be loyal to the person who signs his check? Anti-terrorism? The Chicago DA sent 20 cops to kill the Black Panthers in 1969. Nothing was ever done about that. How long could an anti government group last today? We are - for the most part - cheerfully supporting ever more draconian measures enacted in the so-called War on Terrorism, but that capability could and would be turned inward at the drop of a riot in West LA or Detroit.

The second largest armed force in Iraq is not the Brits, but are the Private Armies of Halliburton, General Dynamics, Blackwater and so on. We are privatizing our government. That is tragedy enough but it is compounded because those people are so “smart” they have “finagled” our Congress to have the US taxpayer fund those armies. Hmm? Nope, nukes won’t be needed.

[edit on 4/14/2006 by donwhite]



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 02:28 PM
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What your talking about will never happen. If it came down to our economy collasping i think we would start a wwiii just to get it crankin again. Even if it means if we gota kill a lot of people and take new territory i wouldnt really care. We would fight just to keep our luxury's and stomp anybody who gets in our way.



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 02:31 PM
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I would like to add that anything that happens to us happens to you euro's. We are linked we are the biggest consumer nation no the planet. What do you think will happen when stop buying all your stuff? Sit on your ass? Ha!



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 02:52 PM
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The Roman empire lasted almost 500 years, so if we take that as a measuring stick, I'd say that the United States has quite a few years left. Can't you see that they have already positioned themselves to control the majority of the world's oil supply? I'd say that they have a couple of hundred years left at the least.



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 03:03 PM
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Originally posted by drex4ever
What your talking about will never happen. If it came down to our economy collasping i think we would start a wwiii just to get it crankin again.

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You mean like we're about to do in Iran?
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Even if it means if we gota kill a lot of people and take new territory i wouldnt really care. We would fight just to keep our luxury's and stomp anybody who gets in our way.


Nice sentiment. Again, like we're doing now?



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by Mdv2
Nowadays we already see the first charasteristics of this scenario. But what happens if the end is there, and the Dollar really becomes valueless?


You have a flawed concept. If the dollar dies we would just institute a new system just as we did with gold when it could no longer value the US - thus the dollar. We have a powerful military, as did Rome. Remember first a country or nation who is a superpower will not die without first exploiting the wealth of weaker nations. Look at the Soviet Union as an example and they're still kicking.

Heres a more realistic theory: the Euro and dollar mesh for a world currency and we as the military might crush the world under democratic/socialist domination. The US along with NATO liberates all countries from their evil dictaors.



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 03:46 PM
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How are we defining Superpower again?

The US is heading into a situation where its losing its current global standing, where it has such supreme global influence and capabilities above other nations. The world is becoming multipolar. But as a major world power, it probably won't go anywhere any time soon. Look at Germany and Japan, even they are major powers. I believe the US is in a decline but powers don't disappear quickly.



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 06:09 PM
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I disagree with the US being in decline - quite the opposite. We have extended and strengthened relations with India, Pakistan, Turkey, Kazakhstan, the Russian Republic, China, and England. It comes down to energy policy in the 21st century and the U.S. is now as powerful as Saudi Arabia when it comes to oil.

"The relationship between the United States and Europe constitutes the world's strongest, most comprehensive and strategically most important partnership." Jose Manuel Barroso

"US and European companies invest more in each other's economies than they do in the entire rest of the world. In 2003 US investment in the Netherlands alone was not far behind the total US investment in all of Asia. And total 2-way trade between the US and Europe employs, directly or indirectly, over 12 million people on both sides of the Atlantic." www.eurunion.org...

Most importantly...

"Iraq changed the government's thinking," said Pan Rui, an international relations expert at Fudan University in Shanghai. "The Middle East is China's largest source of oil. America is now pursuing a grand strategy, the pursuit of American hegemony in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia is the number one oil producer, and Iraq is number two [in terms of reserves]. Now, the United States has direct influence in both countries." www.washingtonpost.com...

It's no secret China will need 3 times as much oil by 2020 and they will be buying through the U.S/Iraq market.

The speculation of U.S. in decline - not if you look at the facts.



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 06:29 PM
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be careful for what you wish for dude, do you really want to be speaking chinese before you die, with a limit on how many children you can have ????



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 07:12 PM
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The dollar is already worthless. It doesn't represent a commodity as it did when it was first issued. As stated before, the country is trying to dominate the worlds oil which will help to keep it's place in the world theatre. In the coming years we will see more of a battle over necessities such as water, food and property. These will become the currency once again.

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Here is a good link for you dollar vs. euro guys. I love their books.

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I think that I need to move to Cuba.

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I wish I had the money to build a fallout bunker. If civil war doesn't start breaking out in the coming years, I would be suprised. The world is becoming more informed on what the goverments of the world are doing and how they are controlling our lives with their fiat money. As of right now I believe the English pound is the only currency truely backed by gold.



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 07:17 PM
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I think that I need to move to Cuba.



you do that!
and do us a favor and take your liberal friends with you.....



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 07:23 PM
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Originally posted by XphilesPhan




you do that!
and do us a favor and take your liberal friends with you.....


Wonder if you looked at the link or just turning a blind eye to what is going on in the name of freedom?????



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 07:28 PM
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Originally posted by shots
So what happens if the US replaces current warheads with new plutonium.

SHHH! Don't tell them!!!!! I've already penciled it in!


What if all your dollars lost their value?

Then you nuke everyone else's stuff.


what would the US government do? Nuke their own civilians?

If they're getting uppity then they deserve it.




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