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Pyramids at Giza were there BEFORE the Egyptians got there.

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posted on Aug, 21 2006 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by LaBTop

This method also explains the missing ancient drawings of huge dirt ramps or shafts.
It utilizes all methods known and drawn by ancient egyptians, like pushing, pulling, sliding limestone blocks, and using ROPES to shove and slide huge multiple tonnes statues of known pharaohs, as can clearly be seen f.ex. in this ancient picture found in a temple :



Figure 3, Transporting a statue from the tomb of Dhutihotep, El Bersheh



Could you possibly point me to the origianl of the above "sketch"? It would carry more weight if it was the original art from the wall.

Could you also point to me the proof that they had ropes that were strong enough for that many men to pull such heavy stones? Surely there must have been some found somewhere.

When they built the Aswan Dam we had to move some large carved in one piece statues. We used modern steel cables and a Sikorsky Sky Crane... the cables broke and we had to cut the statues into sections before they could be moved...


Nice work though on presenting the main stream accepted view of this




posted on Aug, 21 2006 @ 09:36 PM
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I found it. It um, well, unless they got it from some old book sketch, the original is pretty much hosed up. I can't imagine how they would get that complicated picture of tow ropes and such from that blob of whatever that is in the original picture.



Oh and I should add, that of all the royal figures on the walls of this tomb, none of them is carved in raised relief - so that blob of ...what is that, plaster? stuff in the picture is probably just that... a blob of stuff. now if the rest of the information tells the story - fine, but basing a theory on a blob of stuff, is probably not a good idea (unless, of course, they carved only their statues on walls in raised relief?) Maybe it was cut out and placed in some british museum back when it was a common practice to deface egyptian stuff and take it back to europe.


you can see a panorama of the tomb here (you have to click on hold the mouse button and drag it around inside the image to see the other walls): www.arts.kuleuven.be...

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posted on Aug, 22 2006 @ 11:27 AM
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Wow nice find...

It never ceases to amaze me at how these bad photos keep popping up as evidence... puts a really bad light on photographers....

Like that "face" on mars... always small and out of focus, yet a simple stop at NASA gets you a high res picture you can make a poster from...


I think I will start a crusade... wipe out all incompetent photographers and destroy all fuzzy fotos..

Going to take the tour now nice link



WOW!!!
I open that and first thing I see is a wall full of Knight Templar crosses!!! Now THAT is interesting...

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posted on Aug, 22 2006 @ 12:33 PM
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The Matter of the Ropes....

I found this... quite informative... NOVA

"...our ropes were of sisal, theirs perhaps of halfa grass;..."



Most noticeably, a crowd of 50 Egyptian laborers, encouraging one another with raucous cries of mutual support, yanked on ropes attached to a truck-sized block of stone. Weighing perhaps 25 tons, the block rested on a wooden sledge, which the workers were trying to haul along a patch of ground. Earlier, they had firmed up the ground with embedded wooden sleepers laid down crosswise like railroad ties, and had lubricated the sleepers with greasy smears of tallow. The rock had not yet budged, but we were hopeful.



In fact, our little scene looked strikingly similar to one depicted in a relief from the 20th-century B.C. The 12th Dynasty scene shows a gigantic statue of Djehutihotep lashed to a wooden sledge, which 172 laborers in four rows pull using ropes tied to the sledge's leading edge. One man leans out over the statue's feet, pouring a liquid under the sledge to lubricate the runners. Another man, apparently calling out orders or encouragement to the pullers, perches on the knees of the statue, which scholars estimated would have weighed 57 tons.



"This is the last time!"

Then, from on high, he turned to 200-plus leverers and pullers, and yelled at the top of his lungs,

"ALLAH AKBAR!! (GOD IS GREAT!)"

The sledge jumped and, for the first time, kept on going. One foot, two feet, five feet. Only after about ten feet did it finally grind to a halt.


Celebrating Jubilant workers celebrate a good day's work by giving Roger Hopkins a victory lift.
Ten feet. All told, in a day's work, maybe 20 feet. Had we done justice to Djehutihotep? Or did our attempt to recreate it in a fashion pale in comparison?


SOURCE NOVA EXPERIMENT


Okay 200 men, modern rope, levers, rollers sled etc.. 10 feet in one day...only a small stone of 25 tons... Our sisal rope broke...

Cool Myth Busted....

Next theory please....



posted on Aug, 22 2006 @ 02:11 PM
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Way out in the desert... where its been 110 or higher for two months now...

A mysterious site... perhaps its a mirage?

It shimmers like dark crystal... appears all of glass... yet can this be?

The top is crystal... like that rumored to have topped the Pyramid at Giza once upon a time... there are legends around saying the pyramid at Giza had a crystal top that spread energy around the valley making it lush and fertile...


This one too has such energy... an awesome beam of power... radiating into space..
I have heard it said its beam of energy can be seen from the Moon itself...

Like the top on the seal on the dollar bill... the crystal eminating power and light...

I must be mad... perhaps its the heat...

Have the Secret Societies found a new home? Is this the Pyramid of the New World Order?

There is a secret tomb in the basement... and a secreat chamber far below of Osirus and the strange Obelisk... I here rumors that its made of glass


PYRAMID OF THE NWO - THE NEW LUXOR

NIGHT VIEW - THE NEW LUXOR







This is not an artist conception...its a real photo with bats, birds and bugs flying in the energy beam





I Love this town...




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posted on Aug, 22 2006 @ 02:58 PM
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What were Templars doing there? (besides graffitti, that is)

You can barely make out the shape of the little man that supposedly stood on top of it, as it was being pulled along. The problem is, it appears to be painted in the same blood red color as the maltese cross (that is maltese cross right?) and it appears to be a newer painting than the other hieroglyphs - look how crisp the bottom of his legs are by comparison to the team of men

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posted on Aug, 22 2006 @ 03:38 PM
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I here rumors that its made of glass

theres a lot of theories on this website like that



posted on Aug, 22 2006 @ 03:44 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon

I Love this town...


I like Las Vegas too.



Now...back on topic.



posted on Aug, 23 2006 @ 10:32 PM
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Originally posted by undo
What were Templars doing there? (besides graffitti, that is)


Might have been a Templar initiation chamber... but I doubt it... I don't know any Templars that deface ancient sites as it is in their code to protect those sights...

More likely someone trying to give them a bad rap... those are definately Templar crosses though, and they are all over the room. There is a large one on the inner door faint but if you back out... you can see it..

[qoute]You can barely make out the shape of the little man that supposedly stood on top of it, as it was being pulled along. The problem is, it appears to be painted in the same blood red color as the maltese cross (that is maltese cross right?) and it appears to be a newer painting than the other hieroglyphs - look how crisp the bottom of his legs are by comparison to the team of men

Nice catch I missed that... Look at the "Statue" again... you will see that it covers figures that are below it... also look at the men in the line they are NOT all looking in the same direction, but milling around... must be break time..


Looks like creative archeology going on...



posted on Aug, 24 2006 @ 12:10 AM
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Originally posted by zorgon


Nice catch I missed that... Look at the "Statue" again... you will see that it covers figures that are below it... also look at the men in the line they are NOT all looking in the same direction, but milling around... must be break time..


Looks like creative archeology going on...


Yes, you can see it. Interesting that the long vertical line doesn't correlate nor is it a part of the sketch in this thread. I wonder what that was supposed to be originally. I mean, if that vertical is supposed to be the ropes around the statues legs, where are the people in front of it, between the statue and the workers? Like I said, maybe someone has a copy of the original piece? Maybe it was chipped out and took back to some museum? It doesn't make sense otherwise. Something is fishy somewhere.

Notice the guy at his feet, who is bending over adjusting the ropes, is not in the original ?


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posted on Aug, 24 2006 @ 01:14 AM
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Wait, the vertical is the guy bending over not the statues legs, but I can't make out the ropes. He's standing on something. Presumably the toes of the statue. I can see a very faint outline of the seated statue, but all the color has worn away, making me wonder what substance was used and if itwas originally there to begin with (especially since it's on that raised blob of plaster or whatever, and nothing else in the chamber is painted on a raised surface. Coulda been more modern paint that didn't stand the test of time like the rest of the work. Coulda been an update made by the egyptians themselves-- like so and so fell out of favor and his statue was replaced by another? I dunno. Fishiness.

Where his head should be, there's a missing blob of plaster and the wall shows a vertical line that doesn't match the sketch, which makes even less sense, because it appears to be under the layer that's under the layer - like the thing has been plastered over more than once. Notice how there's a big chunk of the wall missing above the blob of stuff? in that area, there's a single vertical in a vibrant brown color and it appears the material of the wall has chipped away to reveal it, but the rest of it is buried under the blob. What in the sam hill?

After studying this chamber a bit longer, I'm finding all kinds of incongrueities. Is it possible this entire chamber was not an egyptian work to begin with? Or that the original work is buried beneath a whole new layer, which was then modified and updated later and the update didn't last because the paint wasn't as sturdy on the material used to cover the original wall over? I'd like to see a close up of this room.

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posted on Aug, 24 2006 @ 02:08 AM
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Okay here we go

Here is the scoop!


All the evidence etc...

In one neat package...
The Real Wall Picture



posted on Aug, 24 2006 @ 07:46 PM
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I am more interested in this much sharper black and white drawing than in the quite unsharp photo of the University of Leuven, Belgium, panorama-view programmed page :



Lehner, Mark. The Complete Pyramids. London: Thames and Hudson Ltd., 1997. Page 203

It is drawn by Mark Lehner, one of the bussiests egyptologists of the moment and during the last decennia.
Drawn based on several books written during a 120 year period, where drawings were found in, made of the same, then more than now, intact picture on the wall of Djehutihotep's tomb.
When that wall was not yet scavenged by greedy egyptian "bussinessmen" who sold cut out pieces to the highest bidders and thus damaged it irrevocably, and greedy foreign researchers who could freely cut and steal any egyptian relict as they pleased.
And pieces of the drawing were damaged by the weather which was let in since the tomb's re-opening in 1875. Grave robbers had been in, already thousands of years earlier, and coptic christians have used the tomb also, and left their coptic crosses all over the place. Didn't do much good also.

Dr. Lehner's drawing makes quite clear that ropes were used. Why would an ancient artist draw rows of men, when they were not pulling that huge stone statue. What the hell were they doing then, when not pulling on ropes to get the damn thing going?

So, that PBS program is proof of ropes not being strong enough?
It's reported as if it was a kind of funny experiment to begin with.
I'll address it a bit more seriously further on.

First another question : why not adress this first :
The transportation of the statue of Djehutihotep (1800 BC) took place 800 years after the pyramid construction era. Thus we may expect this image to be made around the same or later time. It is found in his tomb, so it is probably made during his reign. The picture is thus not a certain depiction of stone transportation during pharaoh Khufu's reign, which was 800 years earlier.
Well, I assume it to be the exact same method as used by Khufu's workers. Why should the simple shoving of multitonnes stone objects over a slippery underground have been less "complicated" than as depicted 800 years later?
It would have been more logical that a few improvements were invented during 800 years. Seems not.

Found a treasure trove of pyramid building logic.

These pages are worth reading every single sentence on them.
Frank Dörnenburg has set up 2 major sites. And both of them are in his motherlanguage german, but he also provides his pages in english. His german sites and pages have sometimes slightly more remarks then his english ones, so it is worth the trouble to translate his german pages ( world.altavista.com... = Babelfish translation of webpages, f.ex.).
The first one is his view on pyramid building, and a few pages go a lot more into the pure physics of his theories. We will have a look at those pages further on.
His second site is also damn interesting, and is somewhat broader in approach, however still has a lot to add about the subjects we are interested in, especially to use in this thread.

1. Mysterious pyramids (in english)
1. Rätselhafte Pyramiden (in german)
2. Mysteries of the Past (in english)
2. Rätsel der Vergangenheit (in german)

If you are really getting interested in all possible pyramid building theories, then let us take these pages as our basic discussing ground, and grab other more or less scientifical solid pages on the way through.
I will post a few additional very nice sites in the next post.

Let's get back to ROPES now. Since that is the main proof wanted, to solidify my theories.
We find an english page here :
www.fdoernenburg.de... (Transport of 6 Mio. tons) which is a lot shorter as the german one :
www.fdoernenburg.de... (Transport von 6 Mio. Tonnen).
The german page has a whole episode more on ROPES : Keine Seile in Ägypten? (No Ropes in Egypt?), which is not available in an english version. Don't ask me why. But I will translate exerpts from it for you (or use Babelfish) :


The standard work of Material-Knowledge in Egypt got already first published in 1926 (!) and appeared as "Ancient Egyptian Materials" by Alfred Lucas , which later in 1962 in co-operation with the chemist J. R. Harris was published in its final version under the title "Ancient Egyptian Materials and Industries" . In there one can find out about rope the following:[2]

* First rope finds date back to the Badari-Episode- they are over 2500 years older than the Cheopspyramid !
* This rope already consisted among other things of Flax, Halfa grass and Papyrus reed.
* At the start of the first dynasty, flax and papyrus become generally accepted hundreds of years before Cheops as main rope material.
* In the Old Kingdom, palm fibers were used as the main rope material, which it remained up to the present day, as biological rope manufacturing material in Egypt ! ( LT: the fiberlength can be more than 2.5 meters long ! Then we also have fibers made from Hemp, at the same long fiberlength, but even stronger.)

Alone in the boat pit of the Cheops pyramid already hundreds of meters of carefully made rope were found, since the ship was manufactured in a plait-construction typical for Egypt, which would not at all have functioned without rope.


Here you see two examples of real artefacts : 4.500 years old, ancient egyptian ROPES from the boat museum south of the Cheops (Khufu) pyramid :




There is some scepticism expressed about the tractive power of these ropes. Natural fibers, so is the obvious opinion, are inferior.
Well, if you read the last part of the german page, you will see the following comments made :

A large mistake. The ultimate tensile strength of natural fibers like the Manila hemp lie in the range of a steel wire, and in addition, the available materials the Egyptians had available, do not have to hide itself . The ultimate tensile strength of a flax fiber (those, as seen above, were in the Old Kingdom the usually-used fiber) is within the 450-800 MPa range. [4]
MPa means "mega-Pascal" and is indicated in Newton per square meter. "Newton" is a unit of force, and is defined as "meter * Kilogram/s2" . A kilogram in the gravity field of the earth exercises therefore the weight power of scarcely 10 Newton.
That means that a flax fiber of a square meter of cross-section area, which tears with a traction of 450-600 million Newton, can carry 45-80 million kilogram ! (45000 - 80000 tons!!!)
Differently formulated: A single fiber of a square millimeter cross section could bear between 45 and 80 kg at load!
Hemp and Palmfiber are appropriate for approximately 20% over this value and come at best quality into the Giga Pascal range!
Unfortunately there are not so thick single fibers, a rope reaches normally unfortunately only approximately 10% of the ultimate tensile strength of the single fiber. That is among other things because of the fact that the single fibers, which will be twined to a yarn are normally quite short (few centimeters). A flax rope of a square millimeter cross section can carry therefore 4,5 to 8 kg.
A 8 mm thick ships rope from flax nevertheless thus would have a carrying capacity of 225-400 kg!
Palmfiber ropes are however still tear-firmer, since they possess a larger fiberlength, so its tensile strength can be set to 6-10 kg per square millimeter.
We now come to the Egyptian ropes:
In the quarries of Tura, where the lime for the pyramid cover stones was cut, in 1942 and 1944, large quantities of antique rope from papyrus fibers were found, which occurred in two strengths: 1 1/4 inch (3.17 cm) and 1 1/2 inch (6.35 cm) strong[5].
These would have thus as flax rope[6] after our above view a maximum traction power of 3551-6314 kg (35-63 KN) and/or 14,251-25,335 KG (142-253 KN).
Two to three of the thicker ropes would thus have been sufficient for vertical lifting of even the heaviest stones of the Cheops pyramide. Although this is not at all necessary, as we will see on the following pages.

We see thus that we do not have to think about the rope question, but rather care about the important points of pyramid building.


I do agree with that last remark, ropes were there and were strong enough to pull 2.5 ton stone blocks up a ramp and over the top plate of the pyramid under construction. If you see those photo's of ancient ropes, you see that they knew how to sophisticately twine ropes.

www.si.edu...

From a Smithonian Institute website : A tomb painting of a colossal statue being moved shows how huge stone blocks were moved on sledges over ground first made slippery by liquid. -snip- The blocks were then brought up ramps to their positions in the pyramid. Finally, the outer layer of casing stones was finished from the top down and the ramps dismantled as the work was completed.


That's another quite solid source which subscribes to the possibility of moving very heavy objects by simply pushing and pulling them, with or without ropes.



posted on Aug, 24 2006 @ 07:55 PM
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www.pbs.org... A beautiful, interactive and virtual tour of the pyramid of Khufu.
www.pbs.org... Same, in one 2.7MB Quicktime Virtual Reality tour format.
www.guardians.net... A beautiful, interactive and virtual tour of the 3 Giza (Gizeh) pyramids. And a lot more.
www.cheops.org... A complete scientific report about the robotic investigation of the small shafts inside the Queen's Chamber of the Great Pyramid of Khufu (Cheops). The site includes all related additional research information and includes a set of 4 extremely detailed CAD drawings, 27 explanatory graphics and 61 original photos. Brought to you directly by Rudolph Gantenbrink.
www.chufu.de... Pharao Cheops. (in german: Chufu)
en.wikipedia.org... Pharao Khufu. (in english: Khufu)
nefertiti.iwebland.com... The Tales from the Westcar Papyrus.



Front and side view of the ivory statue of Paraoh Khufu. (Cheops, Chufu).




Another photo of that same ivory statue of circa 5 cm high.



The Pyramid of Khufu (Cheops, Chufu), the outer stones were during hundreds of years pirated by the citizens of Cairo, before the modern Egyptian government stopped that unholy behavior.
The length of each side of the base was originally 754 feet (230 m), but is now 745 feet (227 m) due to the loss of the outer casing stones. Average Weight of Individual Blocks of Stone: 2.5 tons, the large blocks used for the ceiling of the King's Chamber weigh as much as 9 tons. Height: Originally 481 feet (146.5 m) tall, but now only 449 feet (137 m). Angle of Incline: 51 degrees 50' 35"


Google Satellite map, 3 Pyramids at Giza
Drag the map with your mouse, or double-click to zoom.

As you can see in this recent satellite photo, the river Nile now flows around 5 km eastwards. According to dr. Lehner, during construction the river flew much nearer to the construction site, the Giza Plateau, and only a short canal and harbor was dug, to bring quarried stones from the east side of the river to the pyramids.
This hypothesis is gaining more strength by a few lines from the History of Herodotus :

Some were required to drag blocks of stone down to the Nile from the quarries in the Arabian range of hills; others received the blocks after they had been conveyed in boats across the river, and drew them to the range of hills called the Libyan.
-snip-
The pyramid was built in steps, battlement-wise, as it is called, or, according to others, altar-wise. After laying the stones for the base, they raised the remaining stones to their places by means of machines formed of short wooden planks. The first machine raised them from the ground to the top of the first step. On this there was another machine, which received the stone upon its arrival, and conveyed it to the second step, whence a third machine advanced it still higher. Either they had as many machines as there were steps in the pyramid, or possibly they had but a single machine, which, being easily moved, was transferred from tier to tier as the stone rose- both accounts are given, and therefore I mention both.

www.prevos.net... The History Of Herodotus by Herodotus, Written 440 BC.
Description by an egyptian priest interviewed by Herodotus of 2 possible erection theories of the Great Pyramid, the first one build on the Giza Plateau.



posted on Aug, 24 2006 @ 09:57 PM
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That description of Herodotus, that reminded me of my toddler times.
Bobbing up and down on those exciting SEESAWS.

8a. The multiple seesaws on all slopes, Screws of Archimedes, and a lot of water, system

The seesaw method ! On every step, recurring lifting-up and collecting stones, took place.
The "...machines formed of short wooden planks..." remark in line 27 of this page about Herodotus History of Egypt can indicate levers or seesaws. I assume Herodotus saw a lever as an aid, or a tool, but a seesaw as a kind of machine. I would also.

With all the ideas I posted already, we now can construct a damn simple method of fast and safe bringing up blocks along two or all sides of a pyramid.

The architect first orders to make as many hardwood seesaws as would be needed on 2 opposite, or all 4 sides of the pyramid.
He can opt for a seesaw which uses two steps of a slope, or one step.
The two steps seesaw ofcourse has the big advantage of occupying more space ( 2 x 53 cm = 110 cm), be more stable, and can also be made stronger from wider and heavier wood. The center rest can be made from stone, for stability and it better fits the step-form of the two stone-layers it then stands on.
The one step seesaw can only be 53 cm. ( or max. 73 cm wide, since about 2/3 of it then firmly rests on one step of the slope, it will not tip over.)
It weights less than the two-step version, is thus easier to move up or down.

The whole operation runs surprisingly easy as follows:

Beginning at ground level, seesaws are placed alongside the long steps on the slopes of the pyramid, on every step. Above eachother.
The first 2600 kg block is placed on one arm of the first one, and workers place 2800 kg of separate blocks on the other arm of the seesaw.
These blocks will have the most economically chosen weight per piece, since 2 workers must be able to easily go up and down many steps with one such a block in their hands. Let's assume the parts weight each 50 kg, that's 25 kg to lift by each worker. They probably used leather loops, around their shoulders, to hang their side of the blocks in during transport. They were not stupid and will have thought of, and used every trick our present moving companies have invented also.
Thus, 56 blocks of 50 kg were piled up on the other end of one seesaw before it raised the 2600 kg solid limestone block up 73 cm to the next level, where it was pulled off and pushed on the next seesaw. And up it goes again, ETCETERA.

The trick here is to form the contraweights from smaller block units, easy to pile up, heap or stack in a stable fashion, thus much less labour can be used by much more men to let the seesaw function as expected, when overweight is reached at one arm of the seesaw.
There seemed to be an abundacy of cheap labour those days.
It must have been pure pleasure to be a pharao, and gifted with some inventive mind.

This way all the moving up of blocks can be done solely by manpower, just short ropes needed to push-pull blocks on the next seesaw.
I would nail thin plates of slate on the block sides of the seesaws, and oil the slates with some sort of vegetable oil.
56 men on every step of the slopes would position, and offload all the time their contraweight-blocks.

After doing this for a while, one clever architect proposed a real inventive improvement !

To improve things, he would first reform the seesaws, make the contraweight-arm much longer then the load-arm. Much less contraweight is then needed to lift 2600 kg of limestone block. Only the trajectory arc of that contra-arm becomes longer. Well, who really cares ?
Then he would place a big 1.5 -2.8 m3 (depends on the length of the load arm and the contra-arm) watertight box on the contraweight side of the seesaw-arm, with a sliding bottom-door covering an opening in the right side of the box, so water can be let out to the next seesaw below, standing one step further extending, when needed.

Then he would place many screws-of-archimedes with a 30 cm diameter, so quite small ones, alongside the seesaws on the steps, the lower end standing in a low vessel on the first step of the first seesaw f.ex., and the higher, pouring end would rest on the wall of a next vessel on the next step. ETCETERA. Just fill the first, lowest vessel with water from the Nile.

The Nile, which was flowing much nearer the Giza Plateau in those days.
That way he could fill up the contraweight boxes, lift the load side up, unload the 2600 kg block, then pour the water out of the contraweight box by means of the sliding bottom-door, thus the water pours back into the box standing on the seesaw below it, when that one is due to lift up its block. So, if one chooses to first pump all the water up to the highest level and fill one contraweight-box of the highest standing seesaw, that same portion of water could be used to lift blocks, all the way down all levels already constructed, untill the water reached the bottom box again, and can be pumped (screwed) up again. Eventually only one man with a bucket full of water could compensate halfway high for leaked or lost water.
Why should those egyptians not have known the use of piston driven wooden pumps with leather valves? And hoses from dressed animal guts (intestines). And pumped the water up to the construction level.
Then it would have been really easy for them.

Ehh : NO RAMPS, NO LONG ROPES, no fuzz.
Just a few men, about 6, per seesaw, to load and unload blocks, and a few men to pump up the water to all the vessels on all steps of the under construction, pyramid.
Quickest way would have been to recurrently change the load arm to the contra arm.
Just imagine you place 2 seesaws above eachother, while the lower one is in front of the higher one.
Now start loading a block first right, then left, this will be the most economical method.
It is necessary in that case, that the water boxes are flexible, so can be moved (luckily only needed when they are empty) from left to right also, just as the blocks, when loaded again with water.

Keep it simple, stupid. That good solid rule to follow.

And it looks surprisingly, exactly the same as what our friend Herodotus described there above.



posted on Aug, 24 2006 @ 11:28 PM
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A serious question. [Thanks for all the work you put into it, btw! ]

According to the info so far, ancient sumer predates ancient egypt (not the africans, but the civilization). According to the ancient texts and archaeology, the sumerians and akkadians built with mud bricks. This requires a form, a bucket of water, and some soil . I'd be more inclined to believe the ancient egyptians simply learned how to make amalgam than to believe they did all those feats of ledgerdemain, every single time a pharaoh wanted something built.



posted on Aug, 25 2006 @ 12:17 AM
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Originally posted by LaBTop
I am more interested in this much sharper black and white drawing than in the quite unsharp photo of the University of Leuven, Belgium, panorama-view programmed page :


Well ofcourse you would be more interested in the drawing that the real thing. The drawing supports your theory... the real wall leaves doubt...


True you have done a great deal of work explaining the accepted version.. a lot of detailed work to be sure. But the accepted version I have grown up with over 30 years and it has changed as new information has been discovered...

but that was a very complex version...

Keep it simple stupid might actually apply...

They simply levitated the blocks into place as the old secret documents tell it... anti gravity may just be as simple as Yoda said... "You d0 not believe, that is why you fail" Time will tell who is right.

2000 years ago one person said some words, and had little real evidence, yet 2000 years later the belief is stronger than ever.

Personally I think mankind is going to be in for a shock real soon. Hope I'm still here to see it...



posted on Aug, 25 2006 @ 02:38 AM
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Which documents tell of levitation? The pyramid texts?



posted on Aug, 25 2006 @ 02:38 PM
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as far as i know Beth the levitation claim came from the lips of Edgar Cayce and was then backed up as confirmed true by a vision by self professed psychic Michael Scallion who claimed to have seen a vision of the blocks being levitated using electrostatic repulsion while he watched. this was of course after hed seen them cut from the aswan quarry using lasers and transported to the construction site on airships
so thats the credibility for that done with
their is another claim from south america for levitated blocks which comes from an account that says "the blocks were moved to the sound of whistling"
which certain pseudoscientists claim means they were moved by means of an audio transportation device
but it actually means that the workers whistled while they worked, something that even Walt Disney got right



posted on Aug, 25 2006 @ 04:01 PM
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Originally posted by Marduk
as far as i know Beth the levitation claim came from the lips of Edgar Cayce and was then backed up as confirmed true by a vision by self professed psychic Michael Scallion who claimed to have seen a vision of the blocks being levitated using electrostatic repulsion while he watched. this was of course after hed seen them cut from the aswan quarry using lasers and transported to the construction site on airships
so thats the credibility for that done with
their is another claim from south america for levitated blocks which comes from an account that says "the blocks were moved to the sound of whistling"
which certain pseudoscientists claim means they were moved by means of an audio transportation device
but it actually means that the workers whistled while they worked, something that even Walt Disney got right


Cayce is an interesting fellow. I don't rule out the possibility that they had some way of doing it other than dragging those huge blocks. My favorites so far:

1. They made cement, poured it into forms onsite or insitu. This requires only the transport of containers with the amalgam powder and containers with the water - passed along a line like a fire brigade.

2. Technology of some sort. Lasers are a potential candidate to support this theory, as some of the quarry marks on the stones do indeed bear laser sharp cuts.
www.theglobaleducationproject.org...

Lathes are also a possibility as many old kingdom vases are made from incredibly hard and brittle substances with nearly paper thin, perfectly fluted necks (in other words, the entire process is extremely precise and exacting). www.theglobaleducationproject.org...



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