Originally posted by j619pinoyByrd do you think the Giza Pyramids pre-dates Egyptian civilization?
I'm sure it does NOT.
I'll answer the rest of your question in a second message, but let me address the first one here. I'll bet that your sources left you thinking that
the Nile valley was this deserted Eden until about 5,000 years ago when a pack of people suddenly show up there.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
There's been people (and villages and so forth) in and around that area for more than 700,000 years. That means it's been settled since the time of
the rise of homo sapiens from homo erectus and that there are traces of homo erectus and earlier human ancestors in the area.
There's a wealth of material that's not seen by people focusing solely on the pyramid argument... it includes stone circle astronomical
observatories (crude ones by our standards, but you could use them to track the sunrise and sunset and some of the planets and the motion of the
constellations through the sky.) It includes rock art carvings and drawings. It includes pottery (and wonderful jars shaped like birds and plants
and people and animals) and includes slabs of carved stone (pallets) showing a high degree of skill that goes back to nearly 6,000 BC:
There's no pyramids, though there are important gods and kings and so forth in this material. That's quite an oversight -- if the symbol was that
important, then it would have been transmitted.
Consider, also, the other pyramids:
There's over a hundred of them, some can be dated because they were tombs, the earliest mention of pyramids and construction is during the time of
Djoser (about 3000 BC) and these are not real pyramids but rather mastabas.
If they had the pyramid form and it was so important, then why didn't they just recreate it?
The "advanced engineering" bit doesn't hold water because they were moving and creating complex statues and temples (including the very difficult
egineering feat of maneuvering a block of stone weighing several tons to become the roof of a temple.) There is nothing complicated about stacking
stones or any other substance into a pyramid shape.
Try it for yourself. Go to the beach, make a pyramid of sand.
NOW... make a temple (with roof and walls and long hallways and columns) out of sand.
Which was harder?
You can do the same thing with building blocks, with pieces of wood, ice cubes, etc, etc. If you stop to question the statement, you will find out
just how easy it is to build a pyramid compared with other things (like building the Roman viaducts.
So the "it was there for a long time and mystified the Egyptians" really doesn't hold sand. Or water. Try it for yourself and see.
Crystallinks (surprisingly) does a fairly good job at talking about pyramid construction and mentions the honest fact that the Great Pyramid is off by
an inch and more in several areas: