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9/11 Health Effects, The Smoking Gun?

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posted on Apr, 13 2006 @ 09:42 PM
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References:
www.epa.gov...(1)

pubs.usgs.gov...(2)

www.health.state.mn.us...(3)

www.owenscorning.com...(4)

[url=http://]http://www.us g.com/USG_Marketing_Content(5)

www.cdrecycler.com...(5)

www.mittalsteel.com...(6)

www.foxnews.com...(7)

www.physics.byu.edu...(8)

www.checktheevidence.com...(9)


Let me start by addressing the health effects during 9/11.


As a result of exposure to the dust and smoke, many people living and working in downtown Manhattan experienced short-term health effects. Generally, these effects included coughing and eye, nose and throat irritations. In some cases, people experienced an increase in asthma attacks and some health professionals have reported new cases of asthma in previously healthy people. These short-term health effects dissipated for most once the fires were put out. Some sensitive individuals continued to report irritation as pockets of dust became resuspended. Most healthy people will not suffer long-term consequences.
(1)

These irritations were believed to be from Glass Fiber, Gypsum, Concrete, and Paper dust particles. This is what was suppose to explain the short term health effects at the WTCs.


The dusts released from the WTC building collapse are largely composed of particles of glass fibers, gypsum, concrete, paper, and other miscellaneous materials commonly used in building construction.
(2)

Now no longer term effects are expected and Asbestos was not expected to play any effect in the health effects at the WTC attacks.(3)

Now that we know the official side effects for health that these attacks had we will examine how each should have an effect and if these materials match the official side effects.

We will start with the Glass Fibers. Glass Fibers usually cause irritation to the nose, throat, and lungs. This matches many of the symptoms that were encountered at the WTC attacks. But if this were a cause for such symptoms, these symptoms would last for at least 10 days because studies show that lungs shouldn’t be able to get rid of such particles for at least that time.


In contrast to other fibers, that may persist in the body for decades, ordinary insulation wool glasses are quite soluble in the body and are removed in a period of weeks or months.
(4)

In other words, this means that Glass Fibers could not have been the cause for symptoms since them would have last longer then just that day. This makes it so that we can rule out Glass Fibers being a cause to the health effects.

Next we will move on to Concrete. The WTC was high-rise buildings, so not much concrete was used in order to reduce the weight. This enables a high-rise building to be built higher and reduce weight. That means that concrete could not have been a major cause of the health effect since there wasn’t enough concrete to cause major effects.

What we would most likely believe to be the cause of the symptoms, Gypsum. This meets all of the side effects and seems to almost exactly fit what would be a cause. It does make up a decent amount of the building and could been seen as the most probable reason for the side effects.


Eyes: Airborne dust or direct contact can cause mechanical irritation of eyes. If burning, redness, itching, pain or other
symptoms persist or develop, consult physician.

Inhalation: Inhalation of dust can irritate the nose, throat, and the upper respiratory tract. Persons subjected to large
amounts of this dust will be forced to leave area because of nuisance conditions such as coughing, sneezing and nasal
irritation. Labored breathing may occur after excessive inhalation. If respiratory symptoms persist, consult physician.
(5)

Or is it?

What I am now going to show you is the side effects of breathing in dust/fumes from Molten Iron.


Inhalation: Excessive exposure to high concentrations of dust/fume may cause irritation to the eyes, skin and mucous membranes of the upper respiratory tract. Excessive inhalation of fumes of freshly formed metal oxide particles sized below 1.5 microns and usually between 0.02-0.05 microns from many metals can produce an acute reaction known as “metal fume fever”. Symptoms consist of chills and fever (very similar to and easily confused with flu symptoms), metallic taste in the mouth, dryness and irritation of the throat followed by weakness and muscle pain. The symptoms come on in a few hours after excessive exposures and usually last from 12 to 48 hours. Long-term effects from metal fume fever have not been noted.
(6)

In other words people exposed to this will suffer most of the official side effects that were at the WTC. The side effects not officially experienced were Metallic taste in mouth, Fever like symptoms, and flu symptoms. Lets take a closer look though.

What we find is amusing and striking at the same time. Fox news reports a story ridiculing The Washington Posts attempt to say that reoccurring symptoms were a cause of Asbestos.


"George Tabb and his wife tried to stick it out in their apartment just north of the World Trade Center, tried to ignore his twice nightly asthma attacks and her pounding headaches." The Tabbs eventually moved in with his stepfather, but Tabb gets a metallic taste in his mouth and wheezes when he returns home to pick up his mail ….

Feeding into Tabb's worries are the activists at the New York Environmental Law and Justice Project who supposedly measured levels of asbestos in an air vent in his apartment building hallway to be 555 times the "suggested level of asbestos." Other samples from a bathroom vent supposedly showed "dangerous levels of fiberglass."

The city disputes the project's measurements. But even assuming that the measurements are valid — and it's a big assumption — so what?

Asbestos and fiberglass are not known to cause asthma. ….

The Uniformed Firefighters Association estimates that about one-third of its 9,000 members suffer from "World Trade Center cough." One must wonder, though, how many of these men are simply suffering from the flu-related symptoms
(7)

Obvious Part, Fox News is right, Asbestos and Fiber Glass could never cause such symptoms. Funny part, they just told us the symptoms that perfectly fit the description of dust/fumes from Molten Iron. Why would that be funny? Well lets take a look at where Molten Iron could come from, if it was at the WTC scene.

Two words for where Molten Iron would appear, Thermite-Reactions.


since thermite produces molten iron at yellow-to-white hot temperatures. The reader may wish to compare the dripping molten metal observed on the corner of the South Tower just before its collapse with the dripping molten metal from known thermite reactions: www.checktheevidence.com... .
(8), (9)

As we can see, Thermite Reactions produce Molten Iron and Aluminum Oxide. This Molten Iron would have to have a great abundance to cause such massive side effects though. Well try to imagine the amount of Thermite charges you would have to use to take down 80 to 90 stories of building, thus flattening the WTC buildings 1 and 2.

In conclusion, we see the health side effects correspond directly with dust and flumes from Molten Iron. In which Molten Iron just so happens to be produced by Thermite Reactions which would be used in demolition jobs to knock out steel in buildings. What we are seeing now is the fact that even though all the physical evidence of debris from The World Trade Centers was removed, we still have one form of evidence. We thought that all the evidence was carried away, never investigated, and forever lost. We have a form of evidence though, Health side effects. These health side effects have shown us that a byproduct of a material used in demolition jobs causes the same health side effects that they experienced that day.

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[edit on 14/4/2006 by Umbrax]




posted on Apr, 13 2006 @ 09:59 PM
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Nice work, looks like a good start for some more indept reading.
This and other aspects of that day I'm sure will only be dragged on and on.
While in the mean time movies of the horror are being produced, yet the truth isn't.



posted on Apr, 13 2006 @ 10:04 PM
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Nice work, grimreaper797.
You got a way above from me for this thread



posted on Apr, 13 2006 @ 10:26 PM
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Really good work grimreaper797!!

This is amazing!

You already got a way above from me for this month so i'll give you another the next month!



posted on Apr, 13 2006 @ 10:29 PM
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thanks, im hoping this gets the attention it deserves. i came up with the health idea just tonight and worked since 7 oclock till 1030 gathering sources and putting it all together. i really think it was a good find so i hope it gets decent attention. i was wonderin if the 9/11 truth movement would be interested in this since they have yet to really think this up yet. if anybody has a way to contact them, it would be much appriciated.



posted on Apr, 13 2006 @ 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by grimreaper797
thanks, im hoping this gets the attention it deserves. i came up with the health idea just tonight and worked since 7 oclock till 1030 gathering sources and putting it all together. i really think it was a good find so i hope it gets decent attention. i was wonderin if the 9/11 truth movement would be interested in this since they have yet to really think this up yet. if anybody has a way to contact them, it would be much appriciated.


www.911truth.org...

Here it is!

Thanks again for your work!



posted on Apr, 13 2006 @ 11:49 PM
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thanks, like i said i hope it gets the notice it should. this is just too much to be coincidence as far as i can see.



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 01:43 AM
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Seems as if this can be a good leading piece of hard evidence!



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 02:38 AM
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This is for the report on the WTC by the National Resources Defense Council. This was the one mentioned in the Fox News report.




NRDC Preliminary Report on WTC

Hope this helps - haven't had much time to look at it myself.



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 03:13 AM
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You have voted grimreaper797 for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.


Good post! Will be following the outcome of this carefully...



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 02:41 PM
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thanks for the support, it seems that everyone approves that its worth reading so im glad everyone approves. im waiting for some one that will fight it i guess, makes it more interesting.

[edit on 14-4-2006 by grimreaper797]



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 04:32 PM
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Grim, I'm very impressed with this. It is very well researched. I voted you for top dog!



posted on Apr, 15 2006 @ 10:32 AM
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thanks for the response zenlover. anyway i sent it in to 9/11 truth people, im waiting to see their response.



posted on Apr, 16 2006 @ 12:58 PM
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Your post should be getting more attention for people looking for answers.

Come on where is everyone.



posted on Apr, 16 2006 @ 01:19 PM
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You have voted grimreaper797 for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Damn, very nice!


Quite a creative look at the whole thing, IMO. I mean, there it is; despite hauling the wreckage away and selling it, they couldn't hide the people getting sick. Hell, they even call it the 9/11 cough!


Excellent post, man. I think the "debunkers" are quite stumped on this one, or they're working triple time to make up some lies to discredit you.



BTW, what made you think about it along this angle? This thing has a lot of potential, glad you sent it to the 9/11 truth people. Would you mind if I sent it to Alex Jones; I know he has talked about the people being sick from time to time.



posted on Apr, 16 2006 @ 01:41 PM
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not only this but i think i just hit another break through with this, for A GREAT DEAL of more information only strengthening my connections. ill update as soon as possible



posted on Apr, 16 2006 @ 02:07 PM
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Great job, I gave you a way above top secret award.



posted on Apr, 17 2006 @ 02:07 AM
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You have voted grimreaper797 for the Way Above Top Secret award. You have two more votes this month.

Excellent post!


Ever since I got into 9/11 research the short and long term medical effects of the dust cloud that engulfled most of New York has always had me concerned!

I knew that the building contained quite alot of Asbestos and here in Australia, that is a VERY big issue with one of the comapnies responsible for producing it James Hardy (which does very good business in the US) recently (few years ago now) jumped ship to the Netherlands to escape prosecution.

Molten Steel is not something I had considered, and the fibreglass etc isnt something I looked very far into. This is such an interesting, well-thought out post! I can't wait to see what everyone else has to say.



posted on Apr, 17 2006 @ 02:27 AM
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We had an orange fog the next couple of mornings. This part of Brooklyn is about 4mi from ground zero. My friends that worked at the site said there were smoking molten pools of metal that lasted for days. The smoke itself didn't stop for weeks.



posted on Apr, 17 2006 @ 08:08 AM
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Originally posted by ThePieMaN
We had an orange fog the next couple of mornings. This part of Brooklyn is about 4mi from ground zero. My friends that worked at the site said there were smoking molten pools of metal that lasted for days. The smoke itself didn't stop for weeks.


I really fail to see how there could have been molten pools (not to mention sub-terrain fires that raged for weeks and months) from a collapse that involved very limited fires.

Steel barely even melts at the temperature airline fuel burns, so how can airline fueld fires that was limited to only a few floors cause subterraian fires that raged for weeks and molten pools of steel and other metals that affected people blocks away, for weeks?



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