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What makes the Gospels of Judas so uncredited?

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posted on May, 1 2006 @ 12:11 AM

Originally posted by NakashThat's an oxymoron. Gnosticism has nothing to do with Christianity, it's Neoplatonic Philosophy with a veneer of mystery religion. It's an ideology which developed centuries after Jesus Christ (or at least became popular much after his life, though the core was present to some degree before, ie: the Manichaens, Zoroastrians, etc.)

Not true at all actually. Look up the term yourself and study...

You would find some similarities with Essenians, Cathars and Coptics too.

Gnosticism was around before Christ and preceded the Manichaens and especially Zoroastrians.

posted on May, 1 2006 @ 12:13 AM

Originally posted by Nygdan
Some of the gnostics texsts aren't significantly older than the non-gnostic ones though (as far as I understand it), and the gnostic sort of faith seemed to have a following similar in size to the non-gnostic one. Its not immpossible, from a non-religious point of view, that the gnostic faith was the original one.

But, as noted it does contain lots of ideas directly lifted form greek philosophical thought, ie, appears as application of greek philosophy to the core jesus myth.

Yes most definitely, your best post to date. Nothing here for me to disagree with but so much to expand upon.

Socrates = Jesus, literally and figuratively, do you not agree?

posted on May, 1 2006 @ 09:53 AM
There is little doubt that R. Jeshua was of an Essenian sect. John ( the dipper
) was
with out doubt an Essene. Jeshua oft refered to as The Nazorite or Nazorene ( both refer
to offshoot sects of the Essenes), followed the same path, as did the "Church @ Jerusalem".
It was not until the advent of Paul ( the former assasin named Saul)after he got drunk and fell off his ass, and had a vision that the division came. At that point you can see
( for those with eyes to see and ears to hear) the division starts that ends today in the seperation of "Gnostic Christianity" and " Pauline xianity." More basically you have today " what Paul the hitman taught that Jeshua taught" and what "Jeshua actually taught ."

Basically rendered it is a difference between " look out there, somewhere to find the Kingdom of God", and Look within to find the Kingdom". A difference between you must always go through your betters(priests, bishops,etc,etc, THE CLERGY) and the
principle that there is noone or no-thing between YOU and YOUR Creator.

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