Nearly 5 minutes of Unedited audio from within WTC on 9/11 - ***WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES AND AUDIO***

Yes that's true, you would kind of expect to see some damage.. I doubt they washed it somehow...

Originally posted by Zaphod58
As I've said over and over, there were so many things in that building that could explode. Yes, there were explosions reported. Does this automatically make them demo charges? No. Not even close. You had natural gas lines all through the building, transformers, on several levels IIRC, and many other things that could have caused explosions.

I try and stay away from 9/11 arguments because the whole thing is just to frustrating to think about anymore. 343 brothers never left the scene that day.

Zaphod have you ever heard a transformer blow? You ever hear a gasline blow? Firefighters are trained to state exactly what is hapenning and not generalising things like "we heard explosions". There areant many Firefighters that have not heard gaslines burst or tranformers blow. We are always updating scene size up and thinking about what direction things are going for the sake of scene safety. They would have said we hear tranformers blowing and gaslines bursting, not we heard "multiple explosions" This term emplies it was something unknown exploding.

Fuel fires burn really hot, I have seen gasoline tankers sink a good foot into the asfault road from the heat. The thing is everything in contct with what is being heated works as a heatsink, that is all water is, its a heatsink. We put water on fire because it removes the heat. Fuel fires burn hot, but they do not heat things evenly. No way did those 47 core collumns heat to failure at the same time, everything in cantact with them would work as a heatsink and spread the heat differently. You tell me how those collumns tht were on the opposite side of the elevator shafts heated at the same time as the impact zone?

Something is wrong with 9/11, and I want payback.

Originally posted by Cylent_Noize
the one that caught my eye as the most interesting is the picture of the red bandana

the one i found strangest is the pentagon pic with the two bodies - the top one is totally burnt but the one underneath it isnt burnt at all - you can even see the clothing underneath the shirt and the trousers where the shirt has come loose. thats really odd.

also, were some of the passengers sitting with their id in their hands as several were found intact. personally i would keep my id safe and out of reach of anyone like in a bag or pocket.

On the video footage that was originally broadcast by American media is there any evidence of the explosives going of in sequence, approx. 30 floors below the the point of collapse... like they were escorting the top of the building down? As the video footage showed in LOOSE CHANGE?

WHO has possession of the melted or warped iron that was supposedly pulled from the lower level or underground floors, and if that evidence truly does exist,
why would that evidence be released?

NOTHING has the ability to orchestrate such perfection and dilusion without having a perfectly good reason. The information that is powerful enough to keep our minds on fire looking for the answer to the overall problem is being provided for a reason.

WHY do I KNOW it is real ? Because I have experienced life surrounded by LOVE then I had to get away from everything and everybody I LOVE, because of everybody elses PAIN.

If the CIA was able to pull this off it's because they are intelligent enough to know that the EARTH is DYING and this much confusion was their only hope of creating something strong enough to save their own future.

I don't give them that much credit at this point tho', since everything is run by men, I can't imagine the reason for something like being done by them to save their own children by turning over the reins. Or trying to get someone to take them out of their hands.

GIMME FUEL GIMME FIRE GIMME THAT WHICH I DESIRE !!! wouldn't care about the pain.

That's why I feel like it's not just all in my head, I am a man but I was raised by with 4 beautiful women, and a soft hearted daddy.
I'm definitely struggling from not enough warmonger in me today.

Originally posted by LoneGunMan
Something is wrong with 9/11, and I want payback.

I'm with you dawg, but it would be easier if we put out the fire first.

I've been in the same field as you since 1990, and I agree this entire situation is out of control but we are still just looking at.

i can't make the audio work, anyone wanna give me a clue as to how to make it work?

i would love to coment but i can't as yet.

any help would be greatfully recieved

Originally posted by AgentSmith
Some people may find the screams at the end with the sound of the tower collapsing disturbing. It's basically just a 911 call, but the main issue I'm trying to get across is that there are no explosions..
As it's in the tower and near the impact zone you'd expect to hear if any explosives had been used as some suggest.

The most prevalent implosion theory about the Twin Towerss collapse is that thermite was used, and perhaps some bombs at base or underground level to facilitate the implosion process. Who could hear underground explosions at the 105th? Somewhat unlikely. Still, the structure could have been weakened by thermite sometime before, and the buildings was collapsed using eplosives.

That recording was not made WHILE the tower was collapsing (obviously!), but before, so that does'nt negate the idea that explosives were used to bring down the buildings to the ground, entirely, implosion-style.

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Originally posted by manta
i can't make the audio work, anyone wanna give me a clue as to how to make it work?

i would love to coment but i can't as yet.

any help would be greatfully recieved

It's in .mp4 format so you need the proper codecs to playback. Do a search for mp4 codec and you should find plenty.

Here's a link to many codecs...here

[edit on 13-4-2006 by Street Scholar]

The small flash explosions going off approx 30 floors below the crumbling building is the only thing you need to PROVE it was a controlled demolition.

Does anybody know, if it would be possible to compare ALL or a significant portion of the videos, identify the floor where the sequence of flashes of fire or light came from, and verify that for us PLEASE !

That is all the PROOF anybody in the world would need to KNOW that the MUSLIMS supposedly flying the planes were NOT responsible for the ATTACK on AMERICA!

IT IS VERY IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO UNDERSTAND THIS !

Everything else is irrelevant to the future of my nieces and nephews who I CANNOT wake up from their AMERICAN dream to a WAR of civil political and RELIGIOUS BATTLES from such uncertainties and unexplainable controversy.

Everything else is irrelevant to OUR future, just because some people must have revenge.

That's all WE need.

Originally posted by Griff

Originally posted by Zaphod58
As I've said over and over, there were so many things in that building that could explode. Yes, there were explosions reported. Does this automatically make them demo charges? No. Not even close. You had natural gas lines all through the building, transformers, on several levels IIRC, and many other things that could have caused explosions.

But then wouldn't this cell phone have picked up said explosions?

Originally posted by Vinci
I'm an audio buff, and it's very very silly to even think you can debunk every single form of evidence about explosions with ONE phone call and because you can't hear an explosion.

If you're in an open area, and have speakers blasting music, in large areas frequencies drop, thus you can't even recognize anything CLOSE to the frequences dropped, a snare drum or anything.

If this loud of a noise can be unheard in an open area, with two ears, forget a blast on the other side of an acre, through a tiny microphone in a phone.

Originally posted by Vinci

Originally posted by AgentSmith

Originally posted by Vinci
If this loud of a noise can be unheard in an open area, with two ears, forget a blast on the other side of an acre, through a tiny microphone in a phone.

Excellent! Can you explain how the footage in 911Eyewitness apparantly picks up these explosions so well from across the river on a camcorder, yet a phone in the collapsing building cannot?

Because COLOURS and LIGHT don't just freaking "DROP" out of existence. Frequencies/Audio is way more complex, especially in an acre-area building with tons of densities between the explosion and tiny microphone.

And excuse me but weren't there also expensive $2,000 news cameras?
Of the first tower even it was an expensive camera.

Would possibly be healthy socially and mentally to read the first page of a topic or two, prior to posting in an active discussion.

The link isn't working for me. But it seems to work for everyone else - is there any other link to the video?

please understand, I am not meaning to holler or scream or upset any of you more.

It is a hard thing to understand all of this and even harder to explain it as universally as possible. much less when there are things like this that for some reason others haven't yet worried about trying to prove right or wrong. instead of ever having the chance to persecute someone else for this one event the reason for it will swallow the rest of us in ... whatever chemical fire and detonation buttons 'they' choose to activate against us.

please understand how much this verification would mean, and it's impossible for me to put that together right now, and it would have been good to know about this yesterday.

Okay, Vinci's Experiment Time!

Sit infront of a speaker system. Computers, TV, whatever. Turn on music, a TV-show, a video, or the 9/11 call itself.

Now, cup your hands miss-america style, put them behind your ears, and slowly, very slowly, start to cover your ears by rotating your hands, thus, "cupping" your ears.

Notice as you're cupping your ears, you get that sea-shell effect. Sounds seem closer than they are, and even certain high-pitched and lower-pitched instruments may drop out. (Bells, Tubas, Marimbas, etc.)

Now, this experiment shoulld take place in a room, with nothing between you and the speakers, other than air.

Now, consider, if an inch of flesh can make so many frequences drop out, what about a giant building?

The area of each floor in the towers was AN ACRE. In between were walls, elevators, people, etc. etc. So if an inch of flesh can mute many musical instruments in a clear enviroment, forget a tiny microphone in a cellphone/phone picking up a low-frequency noise in a building that size.

Also, since people are being too ignorant to consider all of the above.

Maybe you're hearing the explosions? I haven't listened to it yet so bear with me if this sounds stupid. If the explosion happened, people would still scream, and the sound would continue into the actual collapse. Thus you wouldn't be able to render where the collapse starts because of initial noise via the explosion.

Think of this as layers of sound, beginning to end.

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Looking at the images....I will probably catch much crap from this.... the first posted body image HERE - *GRAPHIC* ! looks, well, not real.They want me to believe that the plane vaporized, yet pulled a Pompeii on bodies?
Now I know this can happen to bodies in certain conditions, but for this to happen at this point in time with the explanation of 'no plane' just doesnt make sense.From the image, it looks like it caramelized and hardened.With the way our bodies are made up, I would think if fire is hot enough to melt and tweak steel and aluminum, the human body would boil into liquid, melt, and have nothing left.
Look at the clothes on them.Some parts look just as hardened as the body, and some on the same body look untouched.
Now I know stranger things have happened in this world and perhaps this is one of them, but I would expect to see something more like THIS ONE - *GRAPHIC* or THIS ONE - *GRAPHIC*
Now if we have such a result on this body, whats with the Pompeii types?

Well, I'm a firm believer in the missle theory, so I'll try to beckon with you.

Lava + air vs. A giant explosion + no air (The explosion consumes most of it) are very very different situations, you shouldn't call the Pompeii because the Lava hardened thus hardening the body, etc. etc. Too many implications.

Now about the bodies, if you look at the photos of the explosion, bodies wouldn't harden in such a way. They would either be dismembered, as in grenade explosions, but they wouldn't harden like that. You need, literally, lava or an extremely long fire to harden a body like that.

Do some research about Jew burnings in WW2 and you'll see.

Edit:

Er..my point being: The bodies are fake. If one body can survive all of the supposed crashing/burning, then all of the other bodies should of too. If that body just consisted of half a rib cage, I'd buy it more.

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I hear what you are saying, but what I am trying to say is, well, kinda what you did.
Here we have this massive plane supposably and explode, yet we have bodies in these conditions laying around.To me, they look like they have been in the Pompeii event rather than a large plane crash.Two of the bodies shown on that site look to be made of some sort of plastic as 'props' would be.
If you look at the one, the chest cavity looks like something from the WB props department.No disrespect, but it does.

I know how bodies burn as I have read and seen images on different ways they burn with certain elements.These dont add up.I think I will email them to Dr. Baden and see what he thinks.Though the whole 9/11 issues scares many away from even helping when it comes down to it.But worth a try.

Loose Change 9/11 second edition.

Do I need to say more? or are we just collectively excercize our ignorance and pretend some terrorist from the desert are great pilots?

The sound file did not spark a single emotion, I shed my tears for the victims, I feel sorry for them, but now it's time to focus on who really did it...

K, I listened to the last part before he yells "OH GOD", and a few minutes before.

Sorry but if you think you're going to hear an explosion in that quality..you..just, haven't lived. Nor shall.

It's horrible quality, you can't hear ANYTHING, you can't hear the person next to him screaming, just a very very quite staticy voice.

In all honesty, at this point in time, I wouldnt trust anything put out by the Government now.At this point, pretty much any of it can be manipulated in some form.Im not saying everything is fake, but with the software we have today, anything can be done.
I am willing to bet we see footage of a 757 hitting the Pentagon in a couple years time.Will it be real? I highly doubt it.............
Will probably see in small print... LucasArts Ltd. Lucasfilm Entertainment

If one body can survive all of the supposed crashing/burning, then all of the other bodies should of too

HUH, how is that? Were they all subjected to the same experience?

I see faulty logic going on here.