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I welcome any and all challengers to illustrate why there must be a pre-tribulation rapture and I will explain the theological errors in that argument to you.
Yes, I know about much of the symbolism in the Bible now and the Lord has helped me decode it. The white horse rider is the anointing and sending out of the man-child ministry, the corporate first-fruits leadership of the church through the tribulation. These are people who have already gone through their wilderness time and now lead the church through this time of trouble. This anointing has not yet occured, but is close in time. I think that it will be this year.
Rev 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
Rev 6:3 And when he had opened the second seal, I heard the second beast say, Come and see. 4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.ext
Rev 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
Originally posted by managerie
Hi Sun,
I ran out of time for the night. I'll tackle this in the AM.
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Thank you for your candid answers Managerie
Could you answer a few more questions?
Have you read any of these books?
1) THE HARVEST
2) SUBDUE THE EARTH, RULE THE NATIONS
3) HELD IN THE HEAVENS
And also, do you live in Canada, or Ohio?
Thank you.
Sun.
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Managerie,
Those books are written by people that push the kind of teaching that you are talking about.
They want to substitute the Church for Israel. God says he will do a "New" thing to Israel and the teaching has incorrectly substituted a new thing to the church.
Anyway, I know your heart is good so lets proceed to your original challenge. I believe in a pre trib rapture. Do you believe in a post trib or no rapture at all?
Originally posted by Sun Matrix
Hey Managerie,
LOL, I just attempted to respond to your post, it was a long one. I hit the wrong button and poof it was gone. That's all for me tonight, I'll try again tomorrow.
In Daniel 4, and Jeremiah 25, 27 we see the US as the King of Babylon in latter days fulfillment being the head of the one world government, the hammer of the world for these 7 years
Originally posted by queenannie38
Some things worth considering:
White is always a color of purity and designates light in the scripture.
Seals, in the times the scripture was written, were a symbol of regnal authority and meant that whatever was bearing the seal of the king could be trusted to be untampered with and authorized by him.
The crown of the first rider is a 'stephanos' which is the crown that a victor wears after conquest--it is a crown of glory. Also, the Greek meaning of the word translated bow is not accurate as is commonly believed--it doesn't mean fake, but rather 'of the simplest fabric.'
Lastly, this book is the 'Revelation of Jesus Christ.' The full unveiling of God's plan for the world, through our LORD. It is not a book about the antichrist, or the devil. It is telling us the whole story--and it is not a warning but a promise.
[So try this, instead of making the scripture fit to what you think with symbolism, just read it exactly as it says.
Originally posted by managerie
Hi Queenannie,
I perceive that you have some insights into the spirit of what is going on on the books. I would like to review insights with you further on these things.
Hi Queenannie, I perceive that you have some insights into the spirit of what is going on on the books. I would like to review insights with you further on these things.
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All things are delivered to me of my Father: and no man knoweth who the Son is, but the Father; and who the Father is, but the Son, and he to whom the Son will reveal him.
(~Luke 10:22)
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But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory:
(~1 Corinthians 2:7)
Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
(~Colossians 1:26)
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And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.
(~Revelation 6:2)
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I do set my bow in the cloud, and it shall be for a token of a covenant between me and the earth.
(~Genesis 9:13)
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Joseph is a fruitful bough, even a fruitful bough by a well; whose branches run over the wall: The archers have sorely grieved him, and shot at him, and hated him: But his bow abode in strength, and the arms of his hands were made strong by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob; (from thence is the shepherd, the stone of Israel
Even by the God of thy father, who shall help thee; and by the Almighty, who shall bless thee with blessings of heaven above, blessings of the deep that lieth under, blessings of the breasts, and of the womb:
The blessings of thy father have prevailed above the blessings of my progenitors unto the utmost bound of the everlasting hills: they shall be on the head of Joseph, and on the crown of the head of him that was separate from his brethren.
(~Genesis 49:22-26)
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And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.
(~Revelation 6:4)