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JFK - Zapruder Film Stablized

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posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 02:02 PM
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I don't think I have seen this before here so I'l post it. It's been stabilized so that you can see the entire shooting (forward and backward) without it jumping at all. The quality is good and the picture is pretty good size (was full browser window for me).

www.jfkmurdersolved.com...

Quicktime is required.

DISCLAMER - Bit gruesome. Be warned.

I need to watch it more and formulate more opinion, so for now...I will link to other threads on ATS worth review.

View footage of 2nd JFK shooter here
Authoritative posts regarding the JFK assassination?
JFK First Witness Accounts With The Zapruder Film Faking and Other Photo's
JFK Conspiracy Information Research
Did the driver shoot Kennedy?....




posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 02:17 PM
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Thanx for the link... I've found some clips online that were inconclusive but may suggest the wheel-man-as-shooter. I'm not sure we'll ever know the exact and whole "truth" but a better "truth" is decidedly long overdue.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 02:24 PM
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Great job Zed.

Thanks for the links going to have a watch now



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 02:30 PM
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Originally posted by V Kaminski
Thanx for the link... I've found some clips online that were inconclusive but may suggest the wheel-man-as-shooter. I'm not sure we'll ever know the exact and whole "truth" but a better "truth" is decidedly long overdue.


I have felt for years that it was the driver too. All the facts point to that as well as the video.

Just started reading William Coopers 'Behold a Pale Horse' he says it was the driver and that the Office of Naval Intelligence was behind it (amongst a cast of others I am sure).

Soon the truth will come out.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 02:42 PM
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The driver was responsible for the fatal head shot.

Is it possible to have a muzzle flash on a handgun so there wouldn't be a flash when fired?


[edit on 023030p://43042 by enrage]



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by denythestatusquo
I have felt for years that it was the driver too.

My personal opinion, based primarily on post content and not on any in-depth psychological analysis, is that all you "driver-as-shooter" people are nutz. Lee Harvey Oswald, or at least someone who looked like him, I'll go along with. A second shooter from the Grassy Knoll? Maybe. A guy shooting from the Storm Drain? Very unlikely. The limo driver? A probability so low that it is essentially zero. I'll even take a third shooter from either the Dal-Tex Building or even from the south side, on the roof of the Post Office Building sooner than I'll buy the driver as shooter. Just crazy speculation, that's all it is.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 03:19 PM
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Do any of you happen to know what the humidity and temp was in Dallas that afternoon?

I don't buy into the Driver as a Shooter theory either. This video more than others should prove that.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 03:23 PM
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Oh, yeah, and by the way... did the driver have some kind of curved-barrel pistol or something that allowed him to shoot around corners? Because that's what he'd need to hit JFK, considering John Connally is right in any kind of straight line of fire between the driver and Kennedy. Maybe he shot straight through Connally's head, ear-to-ear?

Come on, guys. Time to give up this foolish driver nonsense.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 03:28 PM
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I don't think the driver did it. It IS possible to use a flash suppressor to answer the earlier question, but I'm not sure 1) when they were invented and 2) how large they would have been back then (think silencer size). You would have seen it.

What I saw was the driver just happened to look back during the second shot but his hands were on the wheel.

Due to the exit wound, the second shot looked like it came from the back (left side I think).



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 03:43 PM
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While I have only briefly viewed the video I do have to give a
to Zedd and those responsible for performing the stabilization of this video. Having only glanced at it what stands out is the clarity and quality.

Nice Find, Zedd!

More later as I'm rather involved with other matters at the moment.

$.02



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by Enkidu

Originally posted by denythestatusquo
I have felt for years that it was the driver too.

My personal opinion, based primarily on post content and not on any in-depth psychological analysis, is that all you "driver-as-shooter" people are nutz. Lee Harvey Oswald, or at least someone who looked like him, I'll go along with. A second shooter from the Grassy Knoll? Maybe. A guy shooting from the Storm Drain? Very unlikely. The limo driver? A probability so low that it is essentially zero. I'll even take a third shooter from either the Dal-Tex Building or even from the south side, on the roof of the Post Office Building sooner than I'll buy the driver as shooter. Just crazy speculation, that's all it is.


You still haven't explained to my why the driver turned around and stopped the car though...

I think the driver was an 'insurance man' to ensure the job got done that is why he stopped the car and spun around and planted one in JFK. The other guys didn't do the job or they were just there as patsies.

Like I said before if you want to kill the president, make sure you succeed or else. If Kennedy had lived, he would have hunted these people into the far corners of the earth and he would have been re-elected. They would have been dead, every one of them. They knew this and that is why they could not fail. A pistol shot from a few feet to the head would kill anyone.

That the ONI is a big part of the military industrial complex aka secret government of the US and part of the famed 'brotherhood' in alliance with the aliens to enslave humanity is the true horror to be revealed.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 04:13 PM
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Originally posted by denythestatusquo
You still haven't explained to my why the driver turned around and stopped the car though...


While I have no proof, I do have an observation of human nature, Watch the film. It looks like JFK slumps and Jackie says something. The front passenger looks back, then the driver. He begins to slow wondering what's wrong and then the second big hit. It seems the second was audible since everyone ducks and dives (including the driver) and then the car speeds up.

I believe there was more than one shooter, but not the driver. In a shooting/stress situation, people react most of the time with inaction (ie. stopping or deer-in-the-headlights).

As for the secret brotherhood, aliens, and enslavement of the Earth...I'm not sure I can agree on that one.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 04:16 PM
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If you guys know more than William Cooper did then good for you. Everyone is welcome to their opinions. If he says the driver did it and I was able to come to the same conclusion by myself without his influence then I know the driver did it. For myself I will need someone to prove to me that HE DID NOT DO IT.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by denythestatusquo
For myself I will need someone to prove to me that HE DID NOT DO IT.


How do you prove a negative?


Anyway, I would like to see it proved that he did (innocenent until...) or at least anything that lead you to that conclusion you came to on your own.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 05:16 PM
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Originally posted by ZeddicusZulZorander
It IS possible to use a flash suppressor to answer the earlier question, but I'm not sure 1) when they were invented and 2) how large they would have been back then (think silencer size).


A flash suppressor doesn't really suppress the flash at all, just directs the flame in many different directions so the flash doesn't affect the shooters vision in low light shooting. It is just as noticable as a gun without one.

Suppressors/Silencers are almost as old as the gun itself. While they do lessen the report and recoil of a firearm, and supress the flash to the point of not being visible, you still have a tell tale puff of smoke from the muzzle, and ejection port. Even on a silenced .22LR you get that brief puff of smoke that should be noticeable on just about any camera. A silencer on my .22LR's or my .45 1911 only cut the smoke puff down by about half. There's also no such thing as a true "smokeless" powder, all powder has some smoke. Not to metion a brass shell casing flying through the air on a sunny day would stick out like a sore thumb if the driver did indeed shoot him. Unless he used a revolver, or single shot pistol, but where's the smoke? So Zorander where's the smoke, where's the recoil, where's the casing? That's just say that the camera can't pick up the fast moving casing, what about the other 2 things? As close as Jackie was to JFK, if the driver had used anything 9mm or larger she'd have powder burns on the right side of her face, something witnesses would surely notice. Judging by the reaction of JFK's head I'd say it's pretty safe to say it's a 270-.308 rifle round. And that's from personal experience. Anything smaller than a 9mm or 38 handgun round wouldn't kick his head back as it did. If the driver shot him with a pistol chambered for a rifle round .270+ the recoil would be so bad you'd see it from a mile away, not to mention one hell of a flame from the muzzle.

As for the drivers odd driving I believe I have a simple explanation for that as well. To me, after seeing the videos many times, he was ovbiously slowing down to make it easier for the shooters ahead of the car to get a accurate shot, once they had their "kill shot" and the driver confirmed it visually there was no need to stick around so he sped off.

In another JFK thread someone said their physics professor stated that the object being shot travels against the direction of the bullet which is why they say the kill shot (head splattering) came from the rear and to the left. First of all, what kind of college do you go to where they have a physics professor as low grade as him? I'd be asking for a refund personally. Has he ever even shot a weapon? For the sake of the discussion, you should see what a .308/7.62 NATO out of a M-14 at 600 yards does to the human skull. First the bullet impacts the forehead causing a small diameter hole, as it leaves the the back of the skull the force of the round passing threw blows out the back of the skull stripping away scalp that ends up folding over the targets eyebrows the whole time the heads snapping back like they got hit with a baseball bat being swung by Babe Ruth. Remember this is at 600yds when the round has slowed down quite a bit. I've seen this first hand, and I know there's a few pictures floating around that show the after effects of a .308/7.62NATO shot ie. scalp over eyes are.

The object/head/majority of liquid matter, solid matter and tissue ALWAYS FOLLOW THE PATH of the bullet. If anyone would like I can do an example on video to prove this, and no, it won't be using anything that's alive or once was alive as an example. Let me know, I'll make and host it.

[edit on 11-4-2006 by WithoutEqual]



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by WithoutEqual
So Zorander where's the smoke, where's the recoil, where's the casing? That's just say that the camera can't pick up the fast moving casing, what about the other 2 things? As close as Jackie was to JFK, if the driver had used anything 9mm or larger she'd have powder burns on the right side of her face, something witnesses would surely notice.


Well, someone asked the question so I gave a novice answer that there are such things as a flash suppressors. Personally, no...there is no way that the driver would have shot without everyone in or around that car noticing. I've shot a great many guns. Even both suppressed and silenced ones. You are right that the port venting on a flash suppressed weapon helps, but won't hide it completely.

If you're thinking I thought that might be an option or buy the "driver shot" story, you're wrong.


Also, you can't "silence" a revolver (one old model you can). A silencer may be attached to a revolver, but the effect will be altogether negligible. The gap between cylinder and barrel allows gas to escape anyway.

As for the exit wound, I have seen an exit wound in the front before. Only once. It was a 9mm Glaser round that entered the front and then exited back out the front taking all the internals with it. It made a huge hole too. Of course those type of "frangible" rounds were not invented then. Just thought I'd share that.



posted on Apr, 12 2006 @ 12:41 AM
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Great find Zedd! This is the clearest version yet and having the sprocket holes give us a larger picture.

What I noticed right away is that in this stabilized version, you can really see JFK lurch forward when the first bullet hits him. He jumps out of the seat and grabs his throat. In other versions, the headshot seems to be the first moment of recognition. Here we see that the throat shot is where the chaos begins, inside the limo. I mean, Jackie had to hear the buzz or whistle of the first shot hitting JFK, and surely she guessed right then what was happening. Poor Jackie. Nobody deserves to see what she saw that day. I wish she'd not been looking at him when the head shot came.


I discussed the driver-shoots theory somewhere, and I think it was siruislyone who explained that it was a gas-powered pistol with no muzzle flash. I think most of the driver-shoots theory traces back to Bill Cooper, and there are big problems with his credibility, IMO.



posted on Apr, 12 2006 @ 12:55 AM
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i've heard about the drainage/sewer opening hole thing,is there that shot could of come from,the history channel showedd and went exactly to that place where he was shot in the car and went to the grassy knoll and had it aimed there and went into the sewer drrainage thing and had a shot from there, and that was there that could of come from that accrurately...damn police ran to the book depository when the people weere pointing to the grassy knoll and stuff shoot..hella crazy..



posted on Apr, 12 2006 @ 01:23 AM
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Originally posted by chinabean
damn police ran to the book depository when the people weere pointing to the grassy knoll and stuff shoot..hella crazy..

Nah, the police were running everywhere, including the knoll. One of the motorcycle cops did a hundred yard dash and got up there behind the fence in about 45 seconds.

Lee Harvey Oswald was a pretty good shot, but a REAL trained sniper could have been on the rooftop of any of the buildings in the area and pwned JFK without too much trouble, as long as Jackie kept her big head out of the way. I mean, look at the guy, sitting out there all exposed and getting a big Texas suntan in that limo. Any cross-eyed punk with a peashooter coulda got him.



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posted on Apr, 12 2006 @ 02:02 PM
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Originally posted by denythestatusquo
If you guys know more than William Cooper did then good for you. Everyone is welcome to their opinions. If he says the driver did it and I was able to come to the same conclusion by myself without his influence then I know the driver did it. For myself I will need someone to prove to me that HE DID NOT DO IT.
I'm interested in how you came to that conclusion! Mrs. Connally gave testimony that she saw JFK react to the first shot and she gave testimony that a seperate shot hit her husband and she thought the shots came from the rear right. You think she would have heard a shot that came from the seat right in front of her! Wait, she was in on it! Get real!




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