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Drug Companies Inventing Diseases!

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posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 05:21 AM
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www.timesonline.co.uk...

In this article they basically explain how they invent diseases to make more money and how they put people at risk for real health problems as a result.




posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 06:32 AM
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There's big business what with the NWO and all in this.

I hear mumps (not lethal) is making a comeback in a big way!

Here's to the NWO and those who profit by it.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 07:30 AM
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How can it be NWO if it only affects your country?

In Italy, little to no profit is made in the medical system due to the socialized healthcare.


~MFP


Dae

posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 08:02 AM
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Originally posted by bsl4doc
How can it be NWO if it only affects your country?

In Italy, little to no profit is made in the medical system due to the socialized healthcare.


In the UK we have the National Health Service. If I am too poor to pay for my perscription I can get it free but the Government foots the bill, via taxes. If I earn over the poverty line then I pay a set fee for my perscrition, which I believe is currently at £6.65.

Even the system Im in, profits are assured to the pharmaceutical industry.


Pharmaceutical Price Regulation Scheme (PPRS)
The prices of branded medicines and the profits that manufacturers are allowed to make on their sales to the NHS are regulated by the Pharmaceutical Price Regulation Scheme (PPRS). This is an agreement between the Department of Health (DH) and the branded pharmaceutical industry - represented by the Association of the British Pharmaceutical Industry (ABPI). The PPRS is a voluntary, non-statutory scheme which indirectly controls the prices of branded licensed medicines to the National Health Service in the UK by regulating the profits that companies can make on these sales. It does not cover products that can't be prescribed under NHS Pharmaceutical Regulations, standard branded generics, in-vitro diagnostics or unlicensed products supplied on a 'named patient basis'. It covers around 80% by value of the medicines used by the NHS in both primary and secondary care (some £7 billion).



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 08:11 AM
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Well, the British system is much different than the Italian system. We have many, many public health clinics and hospitals with set governmental budgets, which are often exceeded, and anyone who wants can get medical treatment. Granted, it's on an urgency first basis. However, it's much better than subjecting yourself to America's system, it seems.

~MFP


Dae

posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by bsl4doc
Well, the British system is much different than the Italian system. We have many, many public health clinics and hospitals with set governmental budgets, which are often exceeded, and anyone who wants can get medical treatment. Granted, it's on an urgency first basis. However, it's much better than subjecting yourself to America's system, it seems.

~MFP


My point was, I live in a counrty that has a world renowned social health care system. However it still needs to buy its drug supply from the drug companies, just like yours does. The topic title is that drug companies are inventing diseases which in turn effects all governments and their purchasing drugs. It doesnt matter which type of health care system you are in; its possible that you have a disease that doesnt exsist and are taking drugs that are a waste of time except to those who profit.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 09:11 AM
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You see the problem with this rampant abuse by Big Pharma is the prospective patients are for a huge number of reasons not able to see the marketing men behind the curtains and it's not some harmless frat boy profiteering... These 'solutions' have devastating impacts on AT LEAST two vital organs (liver & kidneys).

You fall for one of these scam 'diseases' and you're just guaranteeing yourselves REAL problems later. And not necessarily that much later...

Nice article. It touches on some of my favorite phoney diseases...

SAD (Social Anxiety Disorder).
RLS (Restless Legs Syndrome)
IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome)

But they miss many of those that have become the gold standard of Big Pharma drug pushing...

SAD (Seasonsal Affective Disorder)
OAB (OverActive Bladder)
High Cholesterol
Acid Reflux

(the list is endless... Please feel free to chime in your personal favorites
)

The REAL damage that has been done is that it seems to have created a broad social norm that you're not normal if you are taking lots of drugs... every day.

Oh, I did I forget to mention that LOTS of people die from these drugs. Somehow that just doesn't make the commercials.


It's also comical (in a very sad morbid way
) how they show happy pretty people having fun when they voice over the typical... Side effects... though rare... sometimes include aneurysms, liver failure, heart attack... er... death.

Contact your physician if you should experience ANY of these symptoms. Especially Death!


The flip side of the coin is naturally the ridiculous costs blood-sucking Pharmas charge these poor simpletons. How many times do you hear old people complaining about "I can no longer afford my medications...". The Pharmas push these poor people right to the edge of the precipice...

You know where they actually STOP buying the drugs. Side effects... though rare... is some of them actually realize they don't needs these drugs... AND they feel much better, returning to something approaching 'normalcy', once they stop taking them.

It does happen...




posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 09:39 AM
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The topic title is that drug companies are inventing diseases which in turn effects all governments and their purchasing drugs. It doesnt matter which type of health care system you are in; its possible that you have a disease that doesnt exsist and are taking drugs that are a waste of time except to those who profit.


Okay, there's a general rule in conspiracies, or so I've heard, that the more people you have involved in a conspiracy, the more unlikely it is the conspiracy holds true.

So, let's take a look at this. First, the pharmaceutical companies invent the disease. Okay, that's fine. I can believe a company would do this. Then, they have to have doctors and scientists to conduct and validate studies. Okay, I'll buy it and say they have a few staff researchers who will verify anything for money. Then, in order for the studies to be accepted, they have to be peer reviewed. I somehow doubt tens or hundreds of doctors would see the data the same way and agree with the pharmaceutical company's diagnosis. Then, in order for it to be taught to medical students, residents, or current doctors, it must pass medical review and pathological tests to become a new condition/disease. Again, I very much doubt the drug companies are bribing the thousands of medical professionals in charge of this process worldwide in order to create a new disease.

~MFP



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 09:51 AM
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Originally posted by bsl4doc

in order for the studies to be accepted, they have to be peer reviewed. I somehow doubt tens or hundreds of doctors would see the data the same way and agree with the pharmaceutical company's diagnosis. Then, in order for it to be taught to medical students, residents, or current doctors, it must pass medical review and pathological tests to become a new condition/disease. Again, I very much doubt the drug companies are bribing the thousands of medical professionals in charge of this process worldwide in order to create a new disease.




Big Pharma funds universities, owns most of the cutting edge research facitilities and also, privately owns the research results as Intellectual Property and patents.

By extension, Big Pharma owns the medical industry - researchers and medical scientists are dependent on Big Pharma for funding and their mortgage payments.

No one - including practising physicians - really knows if the information released is complete. And few ask because they don't have time, and don't want to compromise their financial security.


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Dae

posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by bsl4doc
Okay, there's a general rule in conspiracies, or so I've heard, that the more people you have involved in a conspiracy, the more unlikely it is the conspiracy holds true.


Aye, this is a general rule but not absolute, there is also "hidden in plain sight".

Did you read the article? Im not being rude, just asking because the article talks of the different ways the pharma goes about boosting their profits.

For instance creating "medical diseases",

Other minor problems that are a normal part of life, such as symptoms of the menopause, are also becoming increasingly “medicalised”, while risk factors such as high cholesterol levels or osteoporosis are being presented as diseases in their own right, according to the editors.


creating false data,

... while newly identified conditions such as “restless legs syndrome” — a constant urge to move one’s legs — are presented as being much more common than they really are.


to promoting their drugs.

Disease-awareness campaigns are often funded by drug companies, and “more often designed to sell drugs than to illuminate or inform or educate about the prevention of illness or the maintenance of health”, they say.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 11:44 AM
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I personally don't believe the diseases are fake... Going down that road causes problems like in Africa where fear of the polio vaccine is leading to one of the worst polio epidemic in years.

But I do agree with the statement that we are driven to a lifestyle of poor health - at least in the U.S., although other nations are probably much like this as well. I do believe the Food & Drug administration is doing a horrible job regulating our foods - allowing far too many poisons and harmful chemicals that only serve to speed the digestion of our food and cause us to stay satisfied shorter periods and get hungry quicker. This, in turn, causes us to buy more food - and leads to poor health (and big money for the drug industry).

However, it's important to keep in mind that our hands aren't tied. You can buy foods that don't have preservatives, pesticides, or high in sugar & fat. You might have to spend more (eating healthy isn't cheap) - but it's the only way to beat the system. Avoid the pre-packaged highly-processed foods - or in time you'll just become another customer of the pharmaceutical companies....

-Ry



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by golemina
[...]
Nice article. It touches on some of my favorite phoney diseases...

SAD (Social Anxiety Disorder).
RLS (Restless Legs Syndrome)
IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome)

[...]


Eh? IBS is a phoney condition? I've always figured I had that, always have to have a strap of antacids with me. Sometimes when I can't seem to find any antacids and my tummy is killing me, I'll swallow a large quantity of toothpaste, which appears to help somehow (acid + alkaline thing I guess).



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 12:50 PM
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I have never had a vaccine i have not been sick in 7 years and the last time i had the 24 hour flu was when i was a kid. The only pills i take are dilantin and that is for my seizures.

If someone thinks RLS is real then i laugh at you for being naive.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 01:06 PM
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Come to my house and watch me deal with my RLS on a nightly basis. The myoclonic jerks that accompany it are nothing fun to deal with and it destroys my ability to sleep. If feels like my knees are going to explode and the bone is grinding on bone.

I used to fly TAD for the military quite a bit, filling in positions on other ships while mine was in port. The high altitude effects make RLS worse for me.

The only thing that offers any amount of relief are benzodiazipenes, and that is only temporary, plus the doctor's fear of me becoming addicted.

Hopefully you can find someone local to you that has RLS. Ask them what it feels like, how it affects their social or professional life. It may not be debilitating, but it definitely hampers. Also, the person that has RLS is not the only one that suffers the repercussions from it. My wife has to deal with me constantly moving my legs at night in bed.

JDub



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 01:12 PM
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Drat. Posted this earlier - in the wrong place.

I gotta say it.

Chronic disease is endemic and epidemic in the world. For example, the top 5 chronic diseases - heart disease, cancer, stroke, COPD, and diabetes - cause more than two-thirds of all deaths in the USA. More than 90 million Americans are estimated to have chronic disease.

The evidence suggests most chronic diseases are related - and systemic, meaning manifestations involve a broad range of symptoms and impact different people in different ways.

IMO - the conspiracy involves treating symptoms rather than underlying disease, and Big Pharma hiding the potentials of personalized medicine in collusion with the medical insurance industry.

So the real conspiracy is more about distracting and deflecting peoples' attention away from the real problem, rather than manufacturing the problem from whole cloth.


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posted on Apr, 12 2006 @ 12:19 PM
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I'm a fan of yours on some other threads (other subject areas
).

The basic concept we're pushing is that the Pharmas have in effect created a millieu in which perception trumps reality.

The reality is they like to sell drugs. The reality is they want to create a disorder/syndrome that fits some peoples symptoms. That is not to say that your symptoms are not real... The premise we're are pushing is that they have created a defacto cause and effect correlation that simply does NOT exist.

I will hopefully not bore you too much with a parallel situation so that you can see the clash of the mindsets, if you will...


I have two different friends that both developed neck pain problems. If you can't already tell, I like to chew the fat... So I tell these guys go to a chiropracter. First guy says he doesn't believe in those quacks. Goes to an MD. The MDs treatment? A drug that can basically be classified as a muscle relaxer. No therapy. No real assault on the causal problem. It took a long time, but the problem basically resolved itself by a gradual realignment of his neck thru his normal activity towards a more normal configuration. He basically tooks these drugs for months. Looking at his developing facial pallor, the hits to the vigor of his hair, and a much more noticeable fatigued look in his eyes, it looks to me like his liver took a semi-serious hit. I would guess his MD aged him a rapid 5-10 years.

Second guy... went to the quack chiropracter. Got xrayed, aligned over the course of a couple of weeks, put a specific exercise/therapy program... Yada yada yada lived happily every after with no hit to the liver.

Anyhow, the relevance... I would guess you are on more than one medication which is of course going to screw up your metabolism. I would guess you are not as physically active as you once were (read you're gravitating towards sedentary). From the description of your problem, based on your history of sitting endless hours at a console, it screams to me lower back problem.

Go see a chiropracter. Get checked out. They're cheap, usually have introductory treatment offers and most medical plans cover them.

Also get hooked up with a naturopath/dietian. It's a very exciting field. They typically straddle both worlds (conventional & alternative medicine). They just quitely kick ass.


They will take care of you and take you back to basics... And quite frankly BlueTileSpook, you deserve it. And besides, your wife will thank you.



posted on Apr, 12 2006 @ 01:08 PM
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Originally posted by golemina
The basic concept we're pushing is that the Pharmas have in effect created a millieu in which perception trumps reality.


I wholeheartedly agree with this. I have had meds shoved at me by the mainstream medical docs from every which way. After following that method for a while, I started to research on my own and question my docs (8 different types of specialists) about the absolute neccessity of the meds and found that most times the doc's answer ended up being, "Well, it might help. Give it a try for a while." I felt like a guniea pig.

What got me a little riled was the statement:


Originally posted by The_Doctor
If someone thinks RLS is real then i laugh at you for being naive.


I wish for The_Doctor to educated himself/herself before making such statements.

One of the larger gripes that I have is that all the docs wanted me to be on an anti-depressant to try to help my sleep and help with my neuropathic pain problems. That was fine until I saw my "next" doc for a regular appointment, and that 2nd doc would say, "Hmm... Doctor XXXXXX put you on an AD. You must be depressed."

Umm... No! I then try to explain why I am/was on it and I get the blank look from the doc.


Originally posted by Golemina
I would guess you are on more than one medication which is of course going to screw up your metabolism.


Not anymore. I had a period of time starting about a year ago where my meds stopped working completely. I was in pretty bad shape, even on the meds, so the doc and I worked it out to take me off of everything to monitor and decide where I go next. With only a couple exceptions, I have stayed exactly where I was. More on those exceptions in a moment.


Originally posted by Golemina
I would guess you are not as physically active as you once were (read you're gravitating towards sedentary). From the description of your problem, based on your history of sitting endless hours at a console, it screams to me lower back problem.


Nope, I am nowhere near as physically active as just even a year ago. A year ago, due to the meds, I was up to 270lbs at 5'10" tall. The weight began to fall off of me in a hurry. I lost over 90lbs in 6 months with no change in diet or activity levels. And this was before I dropped the meds. The docs couldn't explain it.

I am also losing muscle mass, feeling and control over my hands. I had exploratory surgery on my elbow in January of this year for the doc to open my left arm up to look at the nerves and such. They didn't find any disease, entrapment or anything disabling, so the Neuro doc still can't tell me what is happening.

As it stands now, I will lose the use of both hands roughly by the end of this year. The first thing the Neuro doc noticed was that I couldn't spread my fingers out as if to play the piano. I get a small gap between the fingers, but no more.

The next thing was that I cannot bring my thumb in across my palm as if to make the gesture of "four". My thumb will only move to the side of my palm and no further. I can push it in so that it crosses my palm, but it won't stay there.

I was sent back to the Physical Rehab Clinic to see what they could do for me, and it is funny that this topic pops up on ATS again today. My final appointment with PT was today, and the tech told me there is nothing he can do for me. He measured my "squeeze potential" using a device that shows how much pressure I can exert in a squeezing motion on a calibrated machine. I continue to lose the ability to squeeze, pinch or hold things in my hands.


Originally posted by Golemina
Go see a chiropracter. Get checked out. They're cheap, usually have introductory treatment offers and most medical plans cover them.

Also get hooked up with a naturopath/dietian. It's a very exciting field. They typically straddle both worlds (conventional & alternative medicine). They just quitely kick ass.


Yep, I've been to both and used their services. My diet was pretty clean to start with and we took any remaining kinks out, but I haven't seen any improvement. I also used a chiropractor that deals with patients that have many of the same neurological problems that I do, and after a year of treatment he said, "You should be getting better, but aren't. I don't know what to do for you." So, I moved on.

Anyways, hopefully that fills in some of the gaps in my story for you. I appreciate the comment on my previous posts in other topics, and I appreciate that you took the time to give me good, friendly advice here.

JDub



posted on Apr, 13 2006 @ 11:17 AM
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I'm sorry to say BlueTileSpook, it's way more sinister than that... But I'll vent (NOT again!
), it doesn't take a real genius to figure out what I'd be saying, some other time.


I've seen two of your more substantial symptoms several times.

The first, the huge weight gain (my guy had facial/neck bloating) when a chum of mine was exposed to a long time treatment for an 'orphan' disease with a combination of coumadin (read rat poison) and prednisone (a TOO prescribed devastating steriod... the very poster child of side effects).

The second, the impairment of the basic functioning of the nervous system, particularly the extremeties, from the long term exposure and overuse of several different prescription 'pain killers' simulatenously.

I hope you don't mind my rudeness in switching to just speaking plainly. I'm just going to give it to you straight without a lot of unneeded posturing.


The bad news, as I'm sure you've guessed by now, it sounds like you are suffering from what might be described as a severe residual toxicity.

The good news, though you have a lot of health impacts, you are still basically doing ok and your head is still in the game. Most importantly, you've started asking the question 'WTF is that for?' (Kind of an eye-opening?
).

The best news is how you can put this behind you. Here's a route that will get you headed in the right direction...

First, get some serious professional help. I know you said you've forayed into this field before... But you are not yet getting the right answers.

Ask around and find, a leaning heavily to the alternative side naturopath. You will know you've found the right person because they basically walk on water, have been known to salvage people sent home to die, etc... Every geographical area has at least one of these fine people. The waiting list is usually long, sometimes even a year. Get in on a priority basis, it might take some serious getting down on two knees using both hands ass kissing, which your military stint undoubtedly qualifies you for
, but just do it and get in to see the miracle worker.

Second, while you are waiting, here try this minor variation in your diet. I kind of think of it as a come to Jesus time (it's an inside joke.
), take you down to the frame rebuild.

You're listing to port BlueTileSpook and the time for action is right now... Or as soon as you can mentally get yourself set.

You ready?

-No salt
-No processed foods (includes absolutely no soft drinks!)
-No alcohol
-No coffee (wean yourself with tea if you have a bad jones)
-No wheat/cereals (it's in almost everything processed).
-No dairy
-Take some wormwood combination per manufacturers suggestions(its anti-viral,bacterial,fungal,pathogen) for a couple of weeks.
-Take your PH by spitting into a spoon first thing when you get up. (Ph strips from any health food/pet store) If your saliva is acid, anything below 7.0, take a bonemeal tab a couple of times a day (from the health food store. It's cheap and has a high delivery rate of calcium)
-Have a yogurt (two if they are small) every day (with acidophilus)
-Drink eight glasses of bottled water everyday (absolutely no tap water)
-Eat two full stalks of celery every day.
-Add a teaspoon of chlorophyll (it's liquid, curiously sweet) to your water a couple of times a day (from where? Your health food store)
-Take a tablespoon of cod liver oil everyday (some brands are with lemon, making it somewhat milder)... Or alternatively eat a deluxe mixed sushi tray with the wife at a Japanese restaurant twice a week.
-Whenever at all possible, get a half an hour of direct sunlight on your face (every day).
-Take a hot bath every evening (or join a spa club with your wife). Use one of those lufta sponges (or health food store recommended equivalent, follow their instructions)
-Spend twenty minutes every day, just chilling, making sure to breath deeply. Some people like to meditate.

Find a health food store with some people you can take a shine to... Not one of those big mall places, but a mom and pop type place, go with your gut feeling. Walk in and start talking to these people like you've known them your entire life... Because you just met your new best friends. (My guy is third generation).

Why?

Cuz you need to go Veggan brother, at least until you can right the ship and/or being a detailed oriented guy like you are, gain a foothold of understanding in this area and call your own shots.


The health food guys can help you... Or maybe even some of your friends are already doing that...

Yes, I know this stuff all sounds seriously strange. But hey... it is what it is. Of course I can share with you glowing accounts of success...

But it's ALL ANECDOTAL!



Naturally, U2U me any questions (or comments
).



posted on Apr, 18 2006 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by golemina
Nice article. It touches on some of my favorite phoney diseases...

SAD (Social Anxiety Disorder).
RLS (Restless Legs Syndrome)
IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrome)

But they miss many of those that have become the gold standard of Big Pharma drug pushing...

SAD (Seasonsal Affective Disorder)
OAB (OverActive Bladder)
High Cholesterol
Acid Reflux



You clearly have absolutely no idea what you are taking about, If you were suffering from chronic renal failure you would not be calling these disorders and diseases fake.

High chlorestral is a side effect of renal disease along with acid reflux, RLS is a horrendous disorder caused by renal dialysis. You dont have a clue what you are talking about. Without the medication for these disorders you call fake my life would have been an absolute misery. Renal failure is difficult enough to deal without having to suffer from all the side effects of it too. The failure of a major organ puts an incredible stain on the rest of the body. The most common reason of death of renal patients is heart failure or circulatory disorders. High chlorestrol would put an extra stain on an already strained heart.. I'd like to to see how you would survive even one day in the body of a dialysis patient.

I have had chronic renal failure for 18 years and have just had a transplant 8 weeks ago after spending 18 months on dialysis. These disorders are not a joke!



posted on Apr, 21 2006 @ 06:03 AM
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So you say Kidney dialisis causes RLS well I have a problem with that. Since no diagnosis methods besides rulling everything else out exists for RLS. they don't even know what causes RLS or how to detect it. I have a problem with what you said because Kidney dialisis would have nothing to do with RLS.

People who medicate for disorders that cannot be diagnosed by a doctor are what i like to refer as hypchondriacs. I beleive that RLS along with other types of patients are infact suffering from something more psychological in nature.

I am looking at a pathology book as we speak and RLS is not a disorder or a symptom of Kidney Dialisis.

If you are experiencing muscle spasms or pain in you legs it may and most likely is a result of the transplant since they do need to cut muscle in the lower back it is just as likely you are suffering from minor nerve damage as a result of you surgury and not a disorder. See the muscles in you back and neck are connected to the ones in your legs this includes nerves as well. Now when you sever these muscles and nerves the pain or spasms may cascade to your legs more.



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