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1:3 And Elimelech Naomi's husband died; and she was left, and her two sons.
1:4 And they took them wives of the women of Moab; the name of the one was Orpah, and the name of the other Ruth: and they dwelled there about ten years.
4:13 So Boaz took Ruth, and she was his wife: and when he went in unto her, the LORD gave her conception, and she bare a son.
4:16 And Naomi took the child, and laid it in her bosom, and became nurse unto it.
4:17 And the women her neighbours gave it a name, saying, There is a son born to Naomi; and they called his name Obed: he is the father of Jesse, the father of David
And he said unto them, How say they that Christ is David's son?
And David himself saith in the book of Psalms, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,
Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.
David therefore calleth him Lord, how is he then his son?
Then in the audience of all the people he said unto his disciples,
Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;
Which devour widows' houses, and for a shew make long prayers: the same shall receive greater damnation.
posted by Icarus Rising: “Your post doesn't burst my bubble, Don. Far from it. Once you have the Holy Spirit come into your soul, in baptism by Christ himself, as I have, all doubt and fear are removed from your life . . That doesn't mean I am right about everything. . far from it . . I truly believe . . It is devotion to the will of God, the Creator . . The message taught by our Savior, Jesus Christ, whom I believe was descended from Joseph, and inherited the birthright of Abraham. [Edited by Don W]
Originally posted by Icarus Rising
My gut feeling, as well as some scriptural support, tells me that Jesus was not descended from David, but from Samuel, and the line of Joseph, the true seers and representatives of God to the Israelites.
First off, David was the great-grandson of Ruth, a Moabitess.
posted by Seekerof
posted by Icarus Rising: “My gut feeling . . tells me Jesus was not descended from David, but from Samuel, and the line of Joseph, the true seers and representatives of God to the Israelites. [Edited by Don W]
“ . . you will find a link that asserts quite to the contrary of what you are asserting: that indeed, Jesus was descended from David via his mother. This may prove an interesting read? The Genealogy of Jesus Christ Through Mary . . “ [Edited by Don W]
Since the custom was of using male genealogies only, then how could an ancestral line of Jesus be shown through Mary?
It appears that GOD left a convenient loophole in this law that would allow women to be included in the ancestral line if they met two stringent conditions...
1. Num 27:8, "Therefore, tell the Israelites; If a man dies without leaving a son, you shall let his heritage pass on to his daughter."
2. Num 36:6-7, "This is what the Lord commands with regard to the daughters of Salphahad: They may marry anyone they please, provided they marry into a clan of their ancestral tribe, so that no heritage of the Israelites will pass from one tribe to another, but all the Israelites will retain their own ancestral heritage."
And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee.
And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.
26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.
1 Samuel 8
4 Then all the elders of Israel gathered themselves together, and came to Samuel unto Ramah,
5 And said unto him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways: now make us a king to judge us like all the nations.
6 But the thing displeased Samuel, when they said, Give us a king to judge us. And Samuel prayed unto the LORD.
7 And the LORD said unto Samuel, Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto thee: for they have not rejected thee, but they have rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
posted by Icarus Rising: “Mr. Hubris himself . . and . . he deigns to disagree . . I'll warrant you are right in that the birthright of David was passed down to Mary . . He hung on the cross . . again gave up the birthright of David to John, the beloved . . What do you make of that? To me, the whole idea of Mary being descended from David was to [trace] the kingship and the right of leadership of the Israelites, back to God Himself . . God spoke directly to Abraham, and the birthright was handed down to Isaac and Jacob and to the line of Joseph.” [Severely edited by Don W]