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NEWS: 90 US Cities Targeted for Massive Immigrant Protests

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posted on Apr, 10 2006 @ 10:00 PM
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Our immigration process needs revamped. My wife has three degrees and has been employed with the city financial bureau for 24 years.
Her interview has been reschuled, by 4 months for a name background check. After we married almost three years ago, she changed her last name and took mine. Big mistake.
I look at your reply as the exception and not the rule.




posted on Apr, 10 2006 @ 10:09 PM
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Originally posted by Aelita
By the way, are there any significant anti-illegal marches and/or other forms of protest?



you cant do that though otherwise itll make you a racist.



posted on Apr, 10 2006 @ 10:48 PM
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Hey look pretty much anyone that rallies against any group of people has some prejudice/superiority issue and/or fear/hate of them. KKK, NAZI, Balck Panthers, Anti-GAY, anti-union. Regardless of whether or not it is racially, ethnically, lifestyle, or financially motivated. Those kinds of rallies are degressive because they encourage division and segregation instead of unity and tolerance.

I will be attending these rallies in the Tampa Bay area even though I am a naturally born citizen. If I can record any relevant images I will post them. I can understand why students are veing offered extra credit for this stuff. It is a great activity for history and political classes because it focuses on our constitutional rights to freedom of speech and the right to protest.



posted on Apr, 10 2006 @ 11:48 PM
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And what contributions are you referring to? They don’t pay taxes or have health care, so guess who pays for the social services they receive?


Where ever did you get the idea that they don't pay taxes?

While some work in the underground economy, MOST work for big business. Big business that accepts their forged documents, and that has been given a free pass by the government.

How do you work for Wal-Mart and not pay taxes? How do you work for a food conglomerate and not pay taxes? While they may not scrutinize worker's documents too well, they generally aren't paying these people under the table.

As to health care - they get the same health care benefits that any low-wage worker in corporate America gets - which ranges from none to passable.

Illegal immigrants are a great deal for tax authorities, because they tend not to use government services. (Want to guess why?)

I see a lot of talk here about illegal immigrants. What about their illegal employers?



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 12:22 AM
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I was SICK when my city held the protest. in KS its a small town but more the half the population is Immigrants from Mexico without a greencard. Well they walked about 400 or so of them. A guy had a sign that said "go home" and they all spit on it, They were flying the AMERICAN FLAG UPSIDE DOWN wicth if im right i belive that means Disresect. i think the Americans need to stand up and that a stand and take our country back. but thats just me.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 02:08 AM
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It's almost funny, one of the main reasons we have lost our human rights is because it has always been more important for people to maintain their racist opinions of each other.

We have no human rights people.

And so many of you are still in love with the color of your skin.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 02:28 AM
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The same attitude towards illegal immigrants in Britain is the same as expressed here but oh boy the bitching has missed the point. The criminals are NOT the ollegal immigrants but the people who employ those immigrants and brin g them into the country. Those businesses also avoid paying taxes for those "employees" since they don't actually exist "on the books". How can they otherwise they would be found out.

Stop shooting the messenger and focus your attention on the real problem. Greedy Americian/British born people employing illegal labour to make untaxed profits. I somehow doubt that the income of these people is comparable to the pitiful income of the illegal labourer. The real criminals are driving big cars, living in huge houses and laughing at everyone here complaining about the illegal immigrants. Yes laughing at you lot too stupid to see where the real problem lies. WAKE UP!

Why does the government allow illegal immigration......please get real!



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 02:58 AM
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sssshhhhh!! what's wrong with you!?!?

Do you have any idea of what would happen if they woke up?



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 03:06 AM
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Originally posted by Odium
FlyersFan, you might desire to begin to read your own sources:


The Maryland State Board of Education in 1992 began requiring students to earn 60 community-service hours to graduate from high school. Counties are allowed to decide what constitutes appropriate service. Montgomery County grants credit for service in three areas, including in advocacy.

Brian Edwards, a spokes-man for the county public schools, said students may earn one credit an hour doing a preapproved activity under the supervision of a nonprofit group, pending completion of a written assignment. The activity must take place off-campus and outside school hours. Students are on spring break, so they would not be participating in the rally during school hours, he said. The school system is not taking a side in the debate, Mr. Edwards added.


They in fact, have to write about the means of the protest, the point of it, take part in it. Then they have to write another report on it. This is by no means the Education System giving them a free ride and passing them on the basis that they attend.

You just gloss over this, like you always seem to do.


I thought they were supposed to be getting a form of classical' education and not learning street thuggery 101. If practical implications are most important then why bother going to school anyways? They can also write an essay on what goes on in strip clubs or how the animals are oppressed in the local zoo.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 07:48 AM
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Malcr:

Here here!

In all this thread only one person is focused on the real issue.

There's no way in hell we can secure the borders without recreating something like the Berlin Wall, and the fear and totalitarianism that went with it.

Ask yourselves WHY the government allows this to happen? Doesn't it seem strange that suddenly people like Bush are supporting some 'bleeding heart liberal' agenda?

Just another example of how government serves Corporate America.

And as an aside, the smartest thing I ever heard about illegal immigration was on South Park, amusingly enough. Where it was pointed out that if we spent our efforts on trying to make these people's countries better places to live, maybe we wouldn't have these problems.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 08:01 AM
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Originally posted by Jadette
And as an aside, the smartest thing I ever heard about illegal immigration was on South Park, amusingly enough. Where it was pointed out that if we spent our efforts on trying to make these people's countries better places to live, maybe we wouldn't have these problems.


Or maybe spent less time screwing their countries up by helping to install puppet "democracy" that only seeks to suckle from the American teet anyway...rather than follow the will and needs of its people. Ever wonder why their economies are inflated? Can you imagine how bad it must be if they will come here and wash your dishes for 5 bucks as hour and then send half of it back home to family?

We have the same oppressor folks.

Stop fighting fellow slaves and fight the master...



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 10:45 AM
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like I said if we can just merge mexico into the Union, as well as Canada and become one North American Entity, we can totally solve a huge problem, for one the Southern border of Mexico is ALOT smaller and easier to protect and monitor than the northern border. On top of that we will be adding an extra 40 million tax payers to the system. The natural resources in that area can be extracted more efficiently with our better technology and stuff. Canada can join too if they want.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by DaFunk13

Originally posted by Jadette
And as an aside, the smartest thing I ever heard about illegal immigration was on South Park, amusingly enough. Where it was pointed out that if we spent our efforts on trying to make these people's countries better places to live, maybe we wouldn't have these problems.


Or maybe spent less time screwing their countries up by helping to install puppet "democracy" that only seeks to suckle from the American teet anyway...rather than follow the will and needs of its people. Ever wonder why their economies are inflated? Can you imagine how bad it must be if they will come here and wash your dishes for 5 bucks as hour and then send half of it back home to family?

We have the same oppressor folks.

Stop fighting fellow slaves and fight the master...


In part, that's my point, though I hadn't elaborated. We need to quit living off the backs of the rest of the world. I'm a firm believer that we don't solve many of the world's problems, deliberately.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 11:36 AM
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Originally posted by Jadette

Originally posted by DaFunk13

Originally posted by Jadette
And as an aside, the smartest thing I ever heard about illegal immigration was on South Park, amusingly enough. Where it was pointed out that if we spent our efforts on trying to make these people's countries better places to live, maybe we wouldn't have these problems.


Or maybe spent less time screwing their countries up by helping to install puppet "democracy" that only seeks to suckle from the American teet anyway...rather than follow the will and needs of its people. Ever wonder why their economies are inflated? Can you imagine how bad it must be if they will come here and wash your dishes for 5 bucks as hour and then send half of it back home to family?

We have the same oppressor folks.

Stop fighting fellow slaves and fight the master...


In part, that's my point, though I hadn't elaborated. We need to quit living off the backs of the rest of the world. I'm a firm believer that we don't solve many of the world's problems, deliberately.


There are many, many things that are wrong about America and it's foreign policies, however your grand standing on this issue is quite silly, as are mutual congratulations on the perceived depth of thought. It's ok to be idealistic, I suppose, but not to the point where it becomes ridiculous.

For one, I don't agree with the statement that the US of A somehow "lives off the backs of the rest of the world". Yes, it can project power globally and unfortunately doesn't do the right thing at all times. That's life, folks, and these are your votes. But equating the States to a parasite is both stupid and offensive. The US of A has fairly large productivity numbers in all sectors of industry, which by the way is self-sufficient. Should we feel guilty for our achievements? Hell no.

You are accusing the US of "installing puppet democracies" and yet bemoan our failure to somehow magically fix all the problems in all the countries in the wolrd. There is a huge gap in logic here. Do you want the US to intervene or not? What if the population of country XYZ does not want any fixes? Or it isn't capable of those? What if they democratically elect leaders that will espouse graft and corruption? Examples are many.

So get off you high horse. You are enjoying this board with its technology and freedom of speech because the US is what it is, and it's low of you to keep b!tching about this country being a parasite and an oppressor.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by Aelita
You are accusing the US of "installing puppet democracies" and yet bemoan our failure to somehow magically fix all the problems in all the countries in the wolrd. You are enjoying this board with its technology and freedom of speech because the US is what it is, and it's low of you to keep b!tching about this country being a parasite and an oppressor.


First, I assume you are trying to group me and the other guy into the same boat...don't. I never co-signed to his statements. I never said it was our place to fix anything, Jack. I say we should butt out. Our influence has had a huge hand in ruining many, many Latin American economies. To the people who care to research...we are oppressors. Most of our economic power has come at the expense of someone elses. Thats how capitalism works. Darwin may be cool with it, but I am not.

And it isnt low to bitch about the things that are wrong with this world. It is called free-thinking. I still live here because I can bitch. I have a voice, be it an ever dwindling one. We Americans can still stand against injustice. America is the greatest country in the world. I will be the first to defend that. But, this doesnt mean we stay complacent to her ills.

But this is about immigration, not fiscal policies. Do you think we should be rounding the illegal "felons?" Do you really believe that they are stealing our jobs, killing our healthcare system, and destroying our American way of life? I see nothing in your post but an opportunity to flame, with little to add to discussion...and a half decent vocab.

Anything else to offer?

I'm trying not to make this personal here. You can choose to ignore the whole Native American Genocide, or even African slavery...but most smart people see both these building blocks of America to be a wee bit oppressive. Maybe even a little parasitic.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 01:10 PM
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Sorry, didn'tr read the entire thread... I f someone else posted this first.... carry on.

Did you know that the day the illegals have said they will stand down from their work in protest of the US is MAYDAY. Mayday....if you do a search on it...seems to have some pretty srtong root in communism/socialism.

Yes, I agree with earlier posters....this is a highly organized event, and not something these illegals thought up on their own!! How Clever.....



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 02:47 PM
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Aelita...I may be fat but I am anything but lazy. You be a kitchen slave for 20 years and tell me how easy that work is. When it comes to the immigration issue and how American work attitudes effects it, I am on the front line and I know of what I speak. We started hiring immigrents illegal or not several years ago and have no regrets or complaints. Why? Because with the exception of a handful of employees like the chef (moi) the quality of kitchen help has gone right down the tubes. It was never great to begin with...you don't have to be crazy to work in restaurants, we'll train you, but it certianly helps...so as a rule the average dishwasher, pantry or line cook is probably an alcoholic or drug addict or both and is only going to be around until his next binge. Or worse they end up being a bunch of kids who would rather slack off and talk on their damned cell phones than get their hands dirty or even worse some pathetic soul who watched Emeril one too many times and decided it would be glamarous to become a chef, spend 20 or 30,000 to go to Johnson and Wales of the Culinary Institute of America only to get in the real world only to discover its hard, brutal work, about as unglamerous as you can get and there are no TV cameras hanging on your every move. It gets tedious after awhile I tell ya so we started hiring immigrents...if they have papers wonderful, if they don't and we need somebody now, oh well. They show up on time, they work their asses off and coming from nothing, they appericate everything. I have to say my employer couldn't boil water if he tried and is more likeable drunk (so we try and keep him that way and he cooperates) but he doesn''t stint, he pays well and he pays the immigrents well too.

This is just one snapshot of one business but from what I understand our experince is typical.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by DaFunk13

I'm trying not to make this personal here. You can choose to ignore the whole Native American Genocide, or even African slavery...but most smart people see both these building blocks of America to be a wee bit oppressive. Maybe even a little parasitic.


C'mon you were doing ok until you threw this out.

Native American Genocide was caused by disease, not weapons. Small pox blankets? Yeah I think this story has been used enough. If you want to know who was the worst then look to the Spanish...aka Mexicans, who killed a whole lot more on purpose.

The wee bit oppressive slave trade happened to create the most wealthy and well educated African decendants on this planet and they also live in America! America went to war with itself over this.

Every people and country has been parasitic to another...America is nothing new. Now the illegals wish to be parasitic towards America, well suprise some people don't like it! But since America is so bad then what right do we have to say no to the illegals? Those peace loving Aztecs were so loving and fair to their neighbors, let's let their decendants have a shot. Oh that's right we did...it's called Mexico.

I'll make a deal. I'll let the illegals in and mark each one of them. Then in 20 years we will allow 20 million Chinese to migrate here and not pay anything. The 20 million Mexican and other illegals of 2006 will foot the bill for them for 10 years before we make them legal. The Chinese will have rights to our land since they are genetically related to native americans and since there is the possibility that the Chinese discovered western America before the Spanish. The children of these illegals will then have to compete with the highly educated Chinese for college jobs. Chinese will then be the new language which we all will have to learn and Spanish will be fazed out.

Now as racist as I am. And as much as I love hanging out with the half of my family that is Hispanic. And as much as I love kissing my Mexican heritage girlfriend. I have to say I have some respect for immigrants to this country, but the planet belongs to no one. What you create on this planet belongs to you until you no longer want it or care to share it. The US is what it is.

The people who built the US did not do it so they could give it away to free loaders. Illegals and those that hire them are free loading. Close the borders. Prosecute the guilty.

Here's my more realistic plan:

Kick out the illegals and then allow in 2 million a year who have secured jobs and can pay taxes. Or any that 1) have a home 2) are not on welfare 3) have a full time year round job that will provide for the next 2 years 3) have no criminal record 4) will pass a basic English course or will in 2 years.

The rest are given guest work passes and may work in the US and volunteer for civic duties in the US to earn points to get in this country. Military volunteers, medical volunteers, elderly home volunteers, teachers...all have service they can provide to get emigration points. In exchange, they may stay in the US 6 months, get basic medical (which part of their taxed income goes to). If they have to go on welfare then they need to leave. Any criminal activity means negative points and possibly a suspension of any guest worker passes or elimination from future emigation to the US, if the crime is severe enough. If a worker has a job longer than 6 months then they must pay a 30% flat income tax for the year. If they provide military service then on successful completion of a 4 year military service, they are full citizens (there would still have to be a limit to the number who are allowed to join...maybe 200,000). Children born in the US from illegals are not US citizens. Children born will have to be paid by the basic medical plan coverage and on a US credit plan in which the family must pay back in volunteer service and money earned in the US while an illegal, until they are granted citizenship. Mother's to be who come to the US without jobs are not allowed in, except in case where the birth is a threat to the baby or mother's life. Children under the age of 18 are allowed when accompanied by a parent granted citizenship. Children who have committed criminal acts while in the US and not a citizen may be deported, reduce thier parent's emigration points, or be banned from citizenship despite a parent's acceptance of citizenship, if their crime is severe enough. A child that is a criminal in it's home country may be banned from citizenship also, despite a parent's citizenship.

All crimes commited by a guest worker will be paid back in full. Drunk driving/use or possesion of a deadly weapon/or grand theft means deportation. Murder, child molestation, drug trafficking, armed robbery, or an accomplice to the crime means elimination from emigration possibility. Completion of basic English reading and writing is a prerequisite. A guest worker translation service will be provided but will come out of the pocket of the guest worker. All citizens will be required to take a money/family management course and must be able to achieve a G.E.D after 4 years citizenship (except children still in school)

On completion of citizenship, a new citizen will be eligible for low income home loan, a $2,000 grant, and a 30% reduction on college costs for children over the age of 9 at the time of citizenship. Any conviction in organized crime or terrorist activities may result in revocation of citizenship during that person's lifetime.

The border goes up, some get in, other's have a chance to get in, our military gets new recruits to prove themselves. The western US economy is not overburdened with new citizens. The US gets a higher class of emigree that knows what it takes to suceed in our country, those that live off the system are gone or have to pay for it.

Also Mexico needs to step up, we should help, but Mexico needs to stop the crime, corruption, and drugs. The US is providing jobs and money with guest worker passes. California and Arizona are places US citizens love going to...Mexico has the same great weather and resources. The Mexican government and people could easily invite more American money down there if they wanted to.

Finally didn't mean to lump every illegal in as a Mexican. I think every illegal should be subject to the same rules. There's people from the Ukraine that I've met that deserve a boot out of this country. Most Mexicans and illegals are good people...but this country will not be the greatest country in 50 years if we don't control our borders and immigration. If it does then you will see the smart ones leaving for Australia, Canada, and Europe and making sure the trash in the US is left behind. It's a global market...no one has to stay in the US.

[edit on 11/4/06 by Atomic]



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by grover
When it comes to the immigration issue and how American work attitudes effects it, I am on the front line and I know of what I speak. We started hiring immigrents illegal or not several years ago and have no regrets or complaints.


You are part of the problem, grover. I understand that the restaurant business is tough and cut-throat and you can't always afford to pay very well to your basic kitchen hands, yet what you did was (a) broke the law (b) contributed to the situation that invites more illegal immigrants here.



...so as a rule the average dishwasher, pantry or line cook is probably an alcoholic or drug addict or both and is only going to be around until his next binge.


Well, of course if you pay them what you pay them, you are scraping the bottom of the barrel.



or even worse some pathetic soul who watched Emeril one too many times and decided it would be glamarous to become a chef, spend 20 or 30,000 to go to Johnson and Wales of the Culinary Institute of America only to get in the real world only to discover its hard, brutal work


It's amazing how much disdain yiou have for an American who actually decided to get an education in your field and had paid for that. Of course, you don't need an Emeril in your kitchen, you just need a few slaves whom you can exploit to no end. And after that you lecture here on how inept the Americans are and how they all deserve to be replaced by el-cheapo labor.



they work their asses off and coming from nothing, they appericate everything.


Ain't that convenient.


You despise Americans because they are less convenient agent for making the restaurant owner richer.


[edit on 11-4-2006 by Aelita]



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by Aelita

Originally posted by grover



...so as a rule the average dishwasher, pantry or line cook is probably an alcoholic or drug addict or both and is only going to be around until his next binge.


Well, of course if you pay them what you pay them, you are scraping the bottom of the barrel.



or even worse some pathetic soul who watched Emeril one too many times and decided it would be glamarous to become a chef, spend 20 or 30,000 to go to Johnson and Wales of the Culinary Institute of America only to get in the real world only to discover its hard, brutal work


It's amazing how much disdain yiou have for an American who actually decided to get an education and had paid for that. Of course, you don't need an Emeril in your kitchen, you just need a few slaves whom you can exploit to no end. And after that you lecture here on how inept the Americans are and how they all desrve to be replaced by el-cheapo labor.



they work their asses off and coming from nothing, they appericate everything.


Ain't that convenient.


My aren't you snide...you missed the point where I said we pay our people well immigrant or not and we do...if you want staff to stay you have to...that doesn't change the fact that kitchen work attracts people with issues because it does, it is because of the transient nature of the business...you see it in construction and fishing etc. aas well....we easily pay 2 an hour above the going rate in my area, and since we started that policy, turnover in the kitchen is minimal which is a rarity...I make sure my people are treated well, that doesn't change the fact that its hard to get good help...as for the Emirel comment, I am not talking about somebody who has decided to get an education, I am talking about somebody who for whatever reason has decided to become a chef and has no clue as to what is involved...I have seen plenty of these, usually 2nd career types...I am all for getting an education, we have paid for several employees to go to school, but the type I am talking about goes into cooking for the glamor of it and when they discover it ain't there usually bail. I treat my people well, not as you suggest like slaves, I will not ask a single employee to do something I wouldn't do myself...so if the grease trap backs up I am over there bailing as well as the dishwasher and I would be negligent in my job if I wasn't. I don't want slave labor, i want proud people who are capable of thinking for themselves and if I can't get that from the local labor pool...I will look elsewhere and I dare you to find another business person who wouldnt say the same.




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