Originally posted by toasted
well , as opposed to posting ALL
of what I thought , and giving up a bone as it were.
I thought I'd try to garner some opinions
to see if this was a current concern or not.
perhaps I should have phrased it better
I'm not a scholar , just a rookie trying to put the pieces together
The problem isn't that you didn't post the whole of what you thought. The problem is that you were trying to steer people towards acknowledging
things of which you disapprove, such as political correctness, as Communist, when they are nothing of the kind. In saying that, I'm not trying to
defend (or accuse) PC. I'm just stating a fact. Communism is something specific, a certain political and economic philosophy. It is not a
generalized catch-all for everything that you don't like for political reasons and want people to fear.
You want to know what the goals of Communism are? You can find out by reading the works of Karl Marx, but I'll state it very simply.
The ultimate goal of Communism is the creation or evolution of a classless, stateless society with no formal government, in which all wealth is
Marx's theory was that this ultimate goal could be achieved by certain intermediate steps, which he believed to be inevitable outcomes of social
First was industrialization and the development of a capitalist economy. In the process, Marx believed that society would polarize into two
antagonistic classes, the bourgeoisie or owner class, and the proletariat or worker class.
Next was a revolt of the workers, leading to the "dictatorship of the proletariat" (not necessarily a dictatorship as we understand that term; he
meant that the working class would rule society just as the bourgoisie rules it today) and a socialist economy.
Third was the formation of a classless society under the dictatorship of the proletariat, in which all the violence of class struggle would be gone,
and the state, for lack of a purpose, would "wither away," leading to the ultimate goal, Communism.
So if you want to consider what the immediate goals of Communism are in any given context, it's not that hard.
In a preindustrial, feudalistic society, Communists would seek industrialization and the development of capitalism, because that's the next step.
In an industrialized, capitalist society, Communists would seek to organize the workers and move towards the revolt of the proletariat.
There has never been a genuinely socialist society in the sense Marx meant, because (quite honestly) his theories were a load of hooey and have never
predicted anything correctly. But if there were, the goals of Communists would be the elimination of classes, leading to the withering of the
I realize the above does not lend itself to the kind of conspiratorial view of Communism you seem to prefer. But it does have the advantage of being
grounded in reality.