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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
Given this news release:
NARUS APPOINTS FORMER DEPUTY DIRECTOR OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY AGENCY TO ITS BOARD OF DIRECTORS
Narus executives confirm AT&T is a customer but say they do not know how the telecommunications giant uses its software. ``Once our customers buy our product, it's relatively opaque to us,'' said Steve Bannerman, vice president of marketing.
Narus CEO Greg Oslan said the company's software is designed to allow carriers to monitor all Internet traffic, including Web searches, e-mail content and attachments, and Internet phone calls.
Narus was founded in 1997 and has more than 100 employees around the globe. Some of the world's largest phone and Internet carriers have signed up as Narus customers, including T-Mobile, U.S. Cellular, Brasil Telecom, Korea Telecom, Telecom Egypt, Saudi Telecom and Shanghai Telecom, according to the company.
Arnold Ness, chief technical officer of IBM's Americas Next Generation Network Team, said Narus' ability to intercept traffic -- the capability allegedly used by the NSA -- is critical to U.S. carriers that must comply with a federal mandate to be able to intercept digital traffic by next April.
Originally posted by soficrow
And once you have the truth, and awareness, what then? What can one do if one's vote is meaningless?
Now with the NARUS 'semantic' network scanning that the NSA is supposed to be using they not only know who goes out and who goes in they also know where their going, what they're talking about and whom they’re talking too! The NSA could do this before too mind you, but this is the first time we know that they are doing this en-masse.
The backdoor that MS had on their OS was supposedly meant to be used as "remote assistance"[/qote]
"Back Orifice" i beleive it was nicknamed in the vernacular. I was thinking more of how they were putting stuff into the computers that lets them identify them while they are connected to the internet, beyond an IP, to track legit versions of windows, etc.
but how are people going to scan all their hardware for any in-built surveillance equipment?
And it might not even be legal to remove any such devices anyway, in the future. Want to use 'our' highways? Get insurance, get a license, submit to searches. Want to use 'our' internet? Use a reporting chip, be registered.
They only way to make them stop is if the govt asks them to stop. No class action suit will cripple the NSA
So you don't think that it can 'slow them down' and make the operation not worth it?
ALso, i guess that if enough people knew about the problem and took that encrypting action, well, having that many people aware of it in the first place would be a solution anyway.
The San Francisco-based advocacy group said on Friday that the Bush administration had objected to it including some internal AT&T documents with a scheduled court filing because the information may be classified.
What? That means that these people at AT&T have top secret clearance no? In order to read the documents they need it.
People (that's us) argued that "it's not so bad! They're trying to catch terrorists! They're doing it to protect us." The people, (that's us) argued that this invasion of privacy does not affect us personally, so we don't have to be concerned about it. And besides, it's for a good cause. Terrorism! Oooga-Boooga!
This line is not going to work though. The public is clearly interested in national security as the issue. So long as these things are legal, people aren't going to put up much of a fight. In the above case you reference, it was international calls. Here, its different, its bulk spying on the american public, and they are trying to cover it up and keep it out of the news by saying that everything is classified. People will allow some bending of the rules wrt national security. Tying this up with the whole 'there is no terrorism, its not a threat' idea classes it as 'crazy' to the public, and they won't pay attention to it. THe public, and the media, doesn't 'do' conspiracy.
So it has to be something that is clearly illegal, liek the allegations made in this lawsuit.
Thats another part of the problem, its a lawsuit, and its preliminary. And if it takes too long to get resolved, or to show that the government was doing this, then there'll've been enough time to get the message out that its necessary, that it saves lives, and that its not really unconsitutional, ie, the spin.
Maybe we need to learn to speak in code to protect our privacy. Onward, back to Babylon.
OSIRIS IS A BLACK GOD!
Can you talk about this in ways and with language that us neophytes can understand?
We need initiation into the information cabal! Where's the chicken guts to tie our hands up with??
If enough people start using encryption the present eavsdropping situation will largely go away.
Is it possible to flood these processing points with large encrypted messages? Or is that illegal hacking?
How about some type of spam that carries a truly useful message
Or large volumes of encrypted gibberish spam?
Elections won't fix this, like I said, IF this gets to the Supreme Court (it most likely won't) AND the good team wins the day, it won't change a dam thing, they will simply hide their activity and keep right on snooping. It's so easy it's child's play.
And its especially easy when, even if caught (and this was only discovered because a guy on the inside spoke out), the media isn't telling anyone. Anyone I've talked to since this thread came out, they'd never heard of this issue. And things are so polarized in the country right now, that anything critical of the government is viewed as 'evil liberal bin ladin sympathizers'.
We're ignorant. We're angry. And we've got no power. This is a bad situation for a society to be in.
Oh and we're paranoid.
The lawsuit seeks damages on behalf of a large number of AT&T customers, which could provide the company with a strong incentive to re-evaluate its policies. But even without the suit, AT&T has a reason to worry if it is participating in illegal domestic spying. In the age of unfettered communication, no company should want to get a reputation for allowing the government to listen in on its customers' phone calls, read their e-mail and monitor their Web activity without the requisite legal showing.
Originally posted by SkepticOverlord
AT&T and Domestic Spying
...AT&T has a reason to worry if it is participating in illegal domestic spying. ...no company should want to get a reputation for allowing the government to listen in on its customers' phone calls, read their e-mail and monitor their Web activity without the requisite legal showing.
Mainstream news is covering this more and more.
Let's keep the buzz-level up.
Beating Bush's NSA e-mail surveillance simple. According to NSA sources, there is a simple method to avoid having one's e-mail captured by NSA Internet filters that have been installed within major Internet exchanges, such as the AT&T facility in San Francisco, which is the subject of a class action suit against AT&T. By typing "Viagra" or "Cialis" in the message text, the filters will automatically identify the e-mail as spam and ignore it.
Originally posted by Astronomer68
NSA's equipment doesn't care if the traffic it sees is domestic or international the traffic goes through a series of keyword and semantics combs looking for whatever it is the NSA has designated as traffic of interest. If the equipment detects such traffic it is analized by more specific, more sensitive filters such as specific originators or addressees, specific text dealing with a key target area or target subject, etc. When the traffic triggers a score higher than a preset value (which means that several filters have looked at it and determined it to be of potential interest) then the traffic is shunted into other, more specialized equipment at a different location where it is again analized by automated equipment. (Note, by this time 99.99+ percent of the traffic has been rejected as not of interest.) Only if the traffic continues to register a high score will it be logged and recorded for potential human scanning and/or specialized analysis. There is simply far too much traffic to get a human involved unless the traffic is worthy of the time & expense involved.
[edit on 10-4-2006 by Astronomer68]
Congress is going to hand the operation of the Internet over to AT&T, Verizon and Comcast. Democrats are helping. It's a shame.
Don’t look now, but the House Commerce Committee next Wednesday is likely to vote to turn control of the Internet over to AT&T, Verizon, Comcast, Time Warner and what’s left of the telecommunications industry. It will be one of those stories the MSM writes about as “little noticed” because they haven’t covered it.