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ATS: AT&T Narus Collaboration Sent Your Private Internet Communications to The NSA

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posted on Apr, 10 2006 @ 01:07 PM
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Yes, it is essentially the same kind of thing Google does. The equipment is kept in a secured room so people can't get into it to pry and when the traffic is routed off-site it goes into a much more secure facility where only people with very high security clearances have access.

Most of the initial filters are static and the first one is an origination/destination filter where international traffic is first detected and started through the analysis sub-routines. When traffic is routed off-site for further analysis some of the filters there can be tweaked electronically so as to be able to respond to dynamic events in near real-time. Most of the people involved in screening traffic never see even one real message.
Only traffic flagged as of high interest is ever recorded or seen by a human analyst and the vast majority of even this traffic is determined to be of no interest and is destroyed.




posted on Apr, 10 2006 @ 09:34 PM
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Originally posted by Bhadhidar
Finally this is coming out! Thank the Fates!

But I think that I've got you beat, DontTreadOnMe.

Back in January, I think it was, I tried to post a story to ATSNN about the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) filing a class action suit against AT&T for violating its customer's privacy rights by collaborating with the NSA. The very suit which initiated this current action.

Not only was there Not A Single Response to my submission, But the submission was voted down as not related to a conspiracy!

Yes, pretty amazing.

It is mind boggling that there not 20 pages of replies, not 20 replies. The implications here are frightening. What other skulduggery has the government tried that hasn't been uncovered. I don't like to wear my tinfoil hat too often, but this story really has me spooked.

We will wake up one day and wonder what happened, and it will be 1984.
And, this apathy will be how it gets to happen.


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FWIW, Bhadhidar, here's the link to your story. You can add it to your "favorites" or "subscribe"
www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Apr, 10 2006 @ 09:40 PM
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I'm shocked that this is not a topic attacked and dismantled in every detail by ATS members.

This is a potential government conspiracy that dwarfs everything we've discussed since 9/11.

There are precious few new stories coming out:

NSA Can 'Vacuum' Emails Across Internet

The National Security Agency has the means to "vacuum” all e-mails and other data crossing the Internet, a former AT&T employee familiar with the technology reveals.

The disclosures of Mark Klein, who worked for AT&T for more than 22 years, come in connection with a class-action lawsuit filed in January by the Electronic Frontier Foundation. It accuses the telecom giant of violating the law and the privacy of its customers by collaborating with the NSA in its program to wiretap Americans' communications.



EFF Charges AT&T Assisted NSA in Surveillance Plan

Walter Sharp, an AT&T spokesman, told internetnews.com the phone giant "follows all laws for governmental requests for assistance." Beyond that, Sharp said the company couldn't comment on matters of national intelligence or litigation.



posted on Apr, 10 2006 @ 10:03 PM
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I was not shocked to hear of this. But I was so disheartened I could not think of a single thing to say.

It seems to me that this is but one component of a larger strategy that is now coming to fruition. The looters are out in full force, without constraint and with the full backing of the president.

The good news:

Bush job rating at new low: 60 percent disapprove of president’s performance


So maybe now the dragon will awake?



posted on Apr, 10 2006 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by Bhadhidar

Back in January, I think it was, I tried to post a story to ATSNN about the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) filing a class action suit against AT&T for violating its customer's privacy rights by collaborating with the NSA. The very suit which initiated this current action.

Not only was there Not A Single Response to my submission, But the submission was voted down as not related to a conspiracy!


www.abovetopsecret.com...



Appalling.

But FYI - according to the terms established here, this story is NOT a political conspiracy by ATS standards.




[edit on 10-4-2006 by soficrow]



posted on Apr, 10 2006 @ 10:18 PM
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Originally posted by soficrow
The good news:
Bush job rating at new low: 60 percent disapprove of president’s performance


Don't allow yourself to be fooled for a moment that this is anything close to a partisan issue... don't play that divisive game with this important issue... it will divide debate and force participants to take sides.

This technology started under a Democrat administration and is implemented under a Republican administration. The issue transcends petty and pointless bickering over political ideology and extends into the epidemic of grossly unethical culture pervasive of governance in this and other countries.

The sham of constitutional rights has been shattered.

The ruse of privacy has been exposed.

And it has nothing to do with political parties.



posted on Apr, 10 2006 @ 10:23 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

The issue transcends petty and pointless bickering over political ideology and extends into the epidemic of grossly unethical culture pervasive of governance in this and other countries.

The sham of constitutional rights has been shattered.

The ruse of privacy has been exposed.

And it has nothing to do with political parties.



Then what's the solution? If a change of government won't do the trick?



posted on Apr, 10 2006 @ 10:29 PM
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Originally posted by soficrow
Then what's the solution? If a change of government won't do the trick?


That shows how powerful the government is and how little power the people really have.
What can the people do, protest? That doesn’t seem to have any effect anymore. Is there any non-violent solution?



posted on Apr, 10 2006 @ 10:33 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

This technology started under a Democrat administration and is implemented under a Republican administration. The issue transcends petty and pointless bickering over political ideology and extends into the epidemic of grossly unethical culture pervasive of governance in this and other countries.

And it has nothing to do with political parties.


Yep...so did the PATRIOT Act. But try to get some one to listen to the fact that the U.S. BODY-POLITIC is doing these things across parties and then stand back and listen to the crickets. You have head-jobs talking about their own special history sources, or "the other side" (WTF that means when you're talking nonpartisan) giving credence to this skew or that skew.

Yeah, try talking about something that has no line of animosity other than that inherently drawn between government and citizen...

everybody wants to blame it on the choice somebody they don't like. And you get no where trying to drive home the truth.

Deny Ignorance? Forget it.



posted on Apr, 10 2006 @ 10:34 PM
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Awareness, Soficrow.

Let the U.S. government try that nonsense if more than 50 million Americans knew about it. There's just needs to be a treshold of people awakening to the truth. Extremely difficult, but that's the only thing that can save Americans now.

[edit on 10-4-2006 by TheBandit795]



posted on Apr, 10 2006 @ 10:41 PM
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Originally posted by TheBandit795
Awareness, Soficrow.

Let the U.S. government try that nonsense if more than 50 million Americans knew about it. There's just needs to be a treshold of people awakening to the truth. Extremely difficult, but that's the only thing that can save Americans now.




And once you have the truth, and awareness, what then? What can one do if one's vote is meaningless?



posted on Apr, 10 2006 @ 10:45 PM
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There are other political parties besides the big two. And besides... Masses have power. If 50 million people (with the proper knowledge and realisation of the facts) are against what the government is doing, they have to take note of it. If not... Then revolution.

That's my opinion.

[edit on 10-4-2006 by TheBandit795]



posted on Apr, 10 2006 @ 10:50 PM
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I am loving SkepticOverlord on this thread. Yeah! Go man go! This is so much more important than 'Slurpro'.

This doesn't surprise me. I think more of the hard skeptics on ATS might be realizing what they're up against now. There is no concern or regard for the people, in these current leaders. Our data is not private because we are not human to them. Truthfully, I think they really believe that anyone who's not on board with the messianic flavor of this administration DESERVES to have their rights violated.

Well, who ever said to trust AT&T or SBC? My first computer commo device was a 300 baud c64 modem, and as I have watched and participated in this twenty year march of the Internet, I knew that most people would get screwed by it. Technology is used to hurt people more than it's used to help.

The next time you see one of those sugary AT&T "The Future Looks Great" commericals, please know that you are being totally screwed. Remember the older versions with Tom Selleck doing the voiceover?

"Have you ever tucked your baby in from the other side of the world? ...You will. Have you ever had your medical records checked before you got to the hospital? ...You will And the company that will bring it to you? AT&T..."

Yeah, he should have included, "Have you ever had interrogators knock on your door at 2am? ...You will!"



posted on Apr, 10 2006 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by TheBandit795
There are other political parties besides the big two.




And thus, the vote is divided. Okay in places like Canada where minority governments act as a constraint - but it doesn't work that way in the US.




And besides... Masses have power.




Only if people act as one mass.





If 50 million people (with the proper knowledge and realisation of the facts) are against what the government is doing, they have to take note of it.




Noted and filed. Vertically.





If not... Then revolution.




Aye. There's the rub. Back to that mass thing.


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posted on Apr, 10 2006 @ 10:59 PM
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Soficrow,

Definately!!! We need the mass!!!

But as long as people care more about Paris Hilton and American Idol than what really matters, we'll never get it!

And I'm not only talking about the U.S. right now. At the moment people on the entire planet are being screwed over by governments and big corporations. Western civilization is failing, and failing bad...



posted on Apr, 10 2006 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by TheBandit795

We need the mass!!!

But as long as people care more about Paris Hilton and American Idol than what really matters, we'll never get it!




So mass hypnosis doesn't count?







At the moment people on the entire planet are being screwed over by governments and big corporations.




Uh huh. A long term strategy finally coming to fruition.




Western civilization...



A contradiction in terms. IMO.


apc

posted on Apr, 10 2006 @ 11:56 PM
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I use AT&T DSL and I'm not too worried about it.

Since my exciting youthful days of owning networks (back before "owning" was a mainstream term), I always knew better than to transmit sensitive data unencrypted over the Internet. Conversations took place under 128bit encryption (at the time, virtually uncrackable), sensitive files were stored stenographed into porn, and any exchanges of information that took place over unsecured channels were usually for disinfo purposes towards whoever may have been listening.

Ah... nice to see all those paranoid teenage transgressions actually finding a place in everyday life. It's just like telephones. Get used to the fact that who you're talking to may not be the only person listening.



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 12:19 AM
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This is AT&T WorldWide or just AT&T USA?



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 12:57 AM
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Originally posted by Nygdan
I thought that computers basically do this anyway, that by connecting to the internet you are effectively saying 'here is who I am and this is what I am doing and where I am doing it'? But, even beyond that, didn't microsoft have it set up so that they had tracking data built into new computers, at least for their corporation's use?

When online you basically keep broadcasting, 'here is where I am', 'send me this data', information that is meant to be available to the server/servers you are connected to. They generally just give out where your from, what your network connection is like, what browser you use, port number, internet protocol etc. This information is meant to be used for running FTP and HTTP operations making ISP doorways where they who goes in and who goes out. Now with the NARUS 'semantic' network scanning that the NSA is supposed to be using they not only know who goes out and who goes in they also know where their going, what they're talking about and whom they’re talking too! The NSA could do this before too mind you, but this is the first time we know that they are doing this en-masse. Plus this is data directly sourced form the ISP meaning that even those connections routed through the AT&T server would go the NSA "spybox".
Obviously some 'needle in a haystack' search for a terrorist/terrorist handler on their part, but a watchdog over all nonetheless.

The backdoor that MS had on their OS was supposedly meant to be used as "remote assistance" to help the MS technicians fix your system, update it etc. The 'crackers' took advantage of this loophole forcing MS to give up this idea. But there have always been spyware and adwares that have been floating around on the net trying to seep into your system but there has never been surveillance equipment hardwared onto our computers.

Components introduced during manufacturing to be incorporated into the hardware to enable remote surveillance of systems. Imagine the potential of such surveillance if there were such components in every Intel chip or AMD chip surreptitiously sending data from your computer or enabling remote access of computers. With billions of computers world wide running on these chips the initiative to do something like this is definitely there because people can track software or devise programs to find hidden software on your HD but how are people going to scan all their hardware for any in-built surveillance equipment? With so much surveillance hardware already available it is not difficult to imagine these devices in our computers at our homes.

The EFF has a really interesting document on Cyber Freedom, I dont know if many have read it but;
A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace


[edit on 11-4-2006 by IAF101]



posted on Apr, 11 2006 @ 01:31 AM
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Originally posted by TheBandit795
Let the U.S. government try that nonsense if more than 50 million Americans knew about it. There's just needs to be a treshold of people awakening to the truth. Extremely difficult, but that's the only thing that can save Americans now.


I seriously doubt that the numbers involved would make much difference. What if 50 million people knew about this ? Almost all of America does know about the Patriot Act and the illegal wire-taps, where is the outrage on the streets??
There are no collegue kids rioting, no disgruntled vets giving speeches, no USA today story, no riot police marching throught the streets, no curfews, no nothing. Sure the EFF raising a shout but are people really interested ?
In my opinion, it is not the lack of awareness but apathy towards this situation that has caused this deafening silence. Even if 50 or a 100 million were to be informed I think this would create only marginal interest. People are either too tired or fedup with these controversies. As they see it their lives are not disturbed in any ostensible way and the politicising of the whole affair has caused nothing but more disdain and apathy towards the controverises.



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