seattlelaw, you say some really great things in your post. In fact, the web site highlighting the West Point Cadets was mind-blowing. The best
thing about that site is that they went point by point citing the violations of the Bush Administration when conducting the war in Iraq. By
highlighting the wrongdoing of the present leadership, they set up a case that could possibly be tried in the Hague--if the U.S. would recognize the
"world court". It further solidifies in my mind that Mr. Bush ought to be tried for war crimes because he simply did not follow the law--whether it
was the Constitution or the Geneva Convention.
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Gore is the real President, no question about it. Jeb guaranteed Florida and made certain they got it. Their tactics were effective if undemocratic
and reprehensible. Voting While Black meant you had a pretty good chance of being on the felony do-not-vote list regardless of the existence of any
criminal history. In a state which Bush "won" by some 536 votes, Gore lost over 20,000 votes to disenfranchisement by fiat. I agree also that Gore
was mistaken to keep Clinton out of the campaign. What an asset to leave by the boards. Clinton is the best speaker I have ever heard and he forgets
no one. What a talent!
This is the issue that particularly bothers me the most about the present administration. The RNC hijacked the voting process and got off without any
penalty--even though people know what happened. The only thing that was done centered around the efforts of a few Floridians who sued Katherine
Harris for the denial of their votes. They won. But this fact, except for Greg Palast's mention of it, never gets out.
In fact, he mentions how it was done in his book, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy
From Palast, Greg. "Jim Crow in Cyberspace: The Unreported Story of How They Fixed the Vote in Florida." The Best Democracy Money Can Buy.
London: Plume, 2003.
Here's how it worked: Mostly, the disks contain data on Florida citizens--57,000 of them. In the months leading up to the November 2000
balloting, Florida Secretary of State Harris, in coordination with Governor Jeb Bush, ordered local elections supervisors to purge these 57,000 from
voter registries. In Harris' computers, they are named as felons who have no right to vote in Florida.
Thomas Cooper is on the list: criminal scum, bad guy, felon, attempted voter. The Harris hit list says Cooper was convicted of a felony on
January 30, 2007.
From that very first page, he draws out the story of how the vote was stolen in Florida. And after I read that, I felt furious over the fact that
people fought and died for the right to vote except to have it stolen away thirty-seven years later. I still wonder why criminal charges have not
been brought up.
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Honestly, the more time I spend researching and reading on ATS the more jaundiced my views regarding big time politics and the people involved. Anyone
who gets to the levels of Clinton and Bush have already made their Faustian bargains. Since they essentially have the same master it should not be too
surprising that they are pals.
I try not to be a cynic about the system. But how can you not be after you read about all the underhanded dealings going on? I find it hard during
this time to be idealistic. As of Mr. Clinton's "friendship" with Mr. Bush, all I can say is that something must have been done under the table
for this to happen. Of course, they all serve the same master. But whether that has to be because they are both alumni from the same school (Yale)
or the fact that they both belong to a select group of Americans (POTUS), I do not know. It's just that I'm not surprised it happened. But, more
often than not, I find myself suspicious of why they are friends now. But then again, as I read history, Mr. Jefferson and Mr. Adams (the father)
bickered terribly in their earlier years only to have a long lasting friendship at the end of their lives. Go figure.
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I'm old enough (just) to remember many of Cronkite's original b&w broadcasts. He was actually sort of dull (OK, I was a kid) although he never shied
from tough stories. Guys from his era weren't respected by their peers if they sold out the truth of a story for filthy lucre. Most of those guys
were pretty poor, but it was about honor. The guys doing it for honor today are the first to get canned. Some (most?) would rather fall into line and
salute than settle for some crappy job flipping burgers.
My memories of Mr. Cronkite do not go back that far. I remember him just before he retired and Dan Rather became the next anchor of CBS. Now, that
was when I was little.
However, my parents tell me that during the Vietnam war, he actually put the body count of the soldiers on the screen daily.
In my book, that required a lot of courage. And today, I see few examples of character and courage displayed in the reporting. And it is sad and
frustrating. People are more interested about what happened to the groom that disappeared from the cruise ship during his honeymoon to care about the
real issues affecting us.
In my most idealistic of moods, I wish that someone would counter the media sycophants with more independent sources. Then, there would be more
choices in the news sphere to get information rather than the usual suspects. But Ben Badgikian, media critic, said that the corporations
consolidated media outlets into one mega-monopoly. And as a result, the news--no matter where you get it from--caters to the same interests all the
way around. You end up getting the same thing.
And until people get upset about how the news is being conducted, nothing is going to change.
Btw, I was inspired by your inclusion of the West Point Grad site. I decided to include a couple of more sites that readily talk about the
impeachment of George Bush. You probably know about the Center For Constitutional Rights in New York. However, what is important is that they did a
book called, Articles of Impeachment Against George W. Bush
(2006). I would think that this tract would be of importance to you. As the West
Point Cadets have broken down GWB's violations, so have the lawyers who work for this center. In fact, some of them are challenging the government
in terms of the mistreatment of Guatanamo Bay prisoners. Their points in the text are really a worthwhile read and can go in conjunction with what
the cadets and graduates of West Point said.
This is their web site: Center For Constitutional Rights
. Recently they did a round table discussion on
the book with Amy Goodman. I saw it on CSPAN a few weeks ago. Their explaination about impeachment and the violation of constitutional rights
fascinated me. I just bought the book which outlines their points to bring GWB to impeachment. It is just as great as the West Point Cadet's site
in which lays out the entire deal on the table.
And, John Bonifaz's 2004 interview with democracynow.org
is rather interesting
Check them out when you have time.