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posted on Apr, 9 2006 @ 05:06 AM
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I wasnt sure if this is the right spot to post this?

Found this interesting article on the sensitivity of information. It is quite interesting to note the power of Air Force One. I have always been a fan of the plane however, I dnt have much information. I do understand that the president does require such protection.


Whenever the president travels, security is a prime consideration. Motorcade routes are kept secret, and premature release of information about a presidential trip aboard one of the twin Air Force One planes can result in the Secret Service canceling a visit.

Thus, the Air Force reacted with alarm last week after The Chronicle told the Secret Service that a government document containing specific information about the anti-missile defenses on Air Force One and detailed interior maps of the two planes -- including the location of Secret Service agents within the planes -- was posted on the Web site of an Air Force base.

The document also shows the location where a terrorist armed with a high-caliber sniper rifle could detonate the tanks that supply oxygen to Air Force One's medical facility.

As of Friday, the document was still posted online. The Secret Service refused to comment on the document's release.


Click here for article

I dnt know exactly which Web Site they are talking about.

Maybe some one knows? Thoughts? Comments?




posted on Apr, 9 2006 @ 05:18 AM
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They're standard "defenses" found on many other planes in the USAF, they just don't want to let out exactly which ones. If you know exactly what they are you know how to get around them, which is why they don't want it to get out. I can see why this would make them nervous, especially the oxygen tank location.



posted on Apr, 9 2006 @ 05:25 AM
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I think this is a stupid question, but is the medical facility on Air Force One?

Thankyou

K23



posted on Apr, 9 2006 @ 05:27 AM
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Yes. Part of the passenger cabin wall in one portion of the plane folds down and it becomes a sterile operating area. They can do minor to major surgery on the plane at any time.



posted on Apr, 9 2006 @ 05:32 AM
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Thankyou, for the information.

Regarding Air Force One, arnt there fighter planes that fly along side the plane. Would they not be able to pick these things up while flying along the Presidents plane.

Are there two Air Force One planes. I thought there was only one.

Cheers

K23



posted on Apr, 9 2006 @ 05:36 AM
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There are two that travel. ANY Air Force plane the President is on is Air Force One. Navy is Navy One, Army is Army One, Marine is Marine One. The second plane is the backup. It leaves about an hour behind them, just in case they have to come back or abort their take off or whatever. The two tail numbers are 28000 and 29000. If he's travelling on 28000 it's Air Force One, and 29000 uses SAM29000. (Special Air Missions 29000)

The fighters only fly when requested. They're not standard. There's an 80 mile exclusion zone around Air Force One at any time when it's flying. They can request an escort, but it's not standard. They travel to places where fighters can't go with them unless they have tankers, and they don't want that many planes around Air Force One. It makes for an accident waiting to happen.

[edit on 4/9/2006 by Zaphod58]

[edit on 4/9/2006 by Zaphod58]



posted on Apr, 9 2006 @ 05:43 AM
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Is there a link to the document itself?



posted on Apr, 9 2006 @ 05:50 AM
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I've been looking but can't find the document itself. It's probably been pulled already by now.



posted on Apr, 9 2006 @ 06:28 AM
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The Air Force one is supposed to be one of the most powerful planes. Would that be a correct statement? Powerful in the sense that if an attacked needed to be launched, is it possible to do so?

Does the president have full acess on any sky. For example if he requests the fighter plane to be escorted along with Air Force one, does that mean all three planes can fly on any countries air space?

Does the 80 mile exclusion, mean no plane can come within that 80 mile zone, including commerical planes? Has there been any incident in history where a plane has managed to get close and been involved in a situation?

Thanks for the previous post. It is interesting to understand the amount of security and safety involved. i guess it would be being the most powerful man in the world...



posted on Apr, 9 2006 @ 06:44 AM
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It CAN be launched from AF1, but more likely from the E-4 or equivalent that travels with the President.

He still needs to get permission from the country to have access, but no country will refuse, because then the US will do the same thing to them.

That kind of has to do with how the Air Force One callsign came about. When Air Force One was first around, they used the tail number as the callsign. One day they were flying to Georgia, for a golf trip or something like that, the control tower called and said to decend and two planes answered. After that they decided they needed a dedicated callsign to keep that from happening again.

The exclusion zone is for ANY plane. Even military planes unless they're requested.



posted on Apr, 9 2006 @ 07:09 AM
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Thanks for the previous post. It is interesting to understand the amount of security and safety involved. i guess it would be being the most powerful man in the world...


By the way, as far as I am aware the famed escape pod of Air force One (Movie) does not exist on the real plane.



posted on Apr, 9 2006 @ 07:28 AM
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If there is no escape pod on the plane, what happens if it is in serious trouble.

The cant really do what they did in the Air Force One [movie] like type a rope to AF1 and another to move the president from the damaged AF1.



posted on Apr, 9 2006 @ 07:34 AM
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They put on parachutes and jump.



posted on Apr, 9 2006 @ 07:50 AM
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Zaphod,

That was a classic.

I thought I would double check the post before I log out and I saw that you had put a post. i had thoughts going in my mind, is there something interesting...is there something hidden in the plane and when I scroll down you had written, they put on parachutes and jump. Mate, could help but crack up laughing......legend.....

Thanks for the info...Cheers

But on a serious note is that correct, they would have to jump from a parachute. wouldnt that put the president's life in danger?

or would they deploy fighter planes to protect the president?

Nice one again Zaphod

Cheers

Knowledge23



posted on Apr, 9 2006 @ 07:54 AM
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Finally found the site which has some information on the interiors of the plane. As it has been said, no one has the perfect information.


Air Force One has a certain mythic, mysterious quality, largely because it is completely off limits to most of us. Even visiting politicians and journalists aren't allowed in some parts of the plane, and the Air Force is careful to conceal specific details of the craft's layout. A number of official and unofficial sources have published general descriptions of what's inside the plane, but nobody (as far as we know) has said how these pieces fit together.
Here at HowStuffWorks, curiosity got the best of us: We had to connect the dots. This illustration represents our best guess, based on the available information, of how the most famous jetliner in the world is put together.

Please click here for diagram and description


I apologise for editing the post. I was having a problem with putting in the image. I tried and tried and finally gave up. It would have been good to put the photograh here. However those who would like to have a look, i think the article is good.

Cheers






[edit on 9-4-2006 by knowledge23]

[edit on 9-4-2006 by knowledge23]



posted on Apr, 9 2006 @ 07:55 AM
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Actually, unless it was bad enough to cause them to lose control, or the plane to explode immediately, they would try to set it down somewhere. If they can slide it in, or even land on a road or small airfield somewhere then there's a good chance of surviving it. But if it's a choice of certain death in a plane crash, or possible death in a parachute, they'll jump. But the pilots are some of the best in the USAF, so they would be able to set it down as long as they had some control left.



posted on Apr, 9 2006 @ 08:06 AM
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Zaphod58,

Have put up some information on the interior of the plane....

Cheers



posted on Apr, 9 2006 @ 08:17 AM
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Floor plans and diagras just don't do it justice. This is one of those planes you have to see to believe. It's hard to describe just how nice it is inside.



posted on Apr, 9 2006 @ 08:18 AM
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Interesting... The president also always has a doctor when he travels...

And zap, I belive that the captain of the AF-1 has the rank of a lt. Colonel... So he has to have some knowledge...



posted on Apr, 9 2006 @ 08:21 AM
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Actually most of the time he's a full bird Colonel. They will sometimes have a Lt Colonel, but he has to be really good. They prefer a full Colonel.




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