Starseed theory

Hi
I have done a search for this and nothing has come up, either in subject or the other one, whatever it is, can't remember now.

I have come across this info and it does have ties to Atlantis... I can post what I have found so far if anyone is interested.

My question is has anyone ever heard of this theory? And if it has been discussed then a) where is it on ATS? and b) why couldnt I find it and c) if not discussed here, why not?

lol

and yes, I think I have the boolean search thingo finally worked out...

cheers
Nat

Some believe that it is Atlantean's reincarnating in this cycle, they have been waiting to do this. Is this what you are referring to here?

They are not likely to be service to other types as Atlantis in general was not that type of culture.

yes & no... lol

there is a lot more to it as I am reading. Apparrently the star seed people are from Atlantis and have been wandering Earth ever since. I have been reading some research just lately and I am surprised that there is very little discussion about it.
It seems to tie into so many conspiracy theories, stone henge, crop circles, ufo, aliens...etc. I am just compiling some info and will post, cos eager to hear what other people think. I am a bit gobsmacked by the amount of research one person has compiled of which I no zilch about...

hoping to get as much info as I can

oh edit to ask what you mean by 'not of service?' If you have any links that would be dandy!





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This site is informative BUT has links to spiritual sites that turn out to be money spinners, so not sure of the integrity of the site or the info! Spiritual gifts and money don't mix.

"StarSeeds" describe specially selected and evolved souls from another planet, star system, galaxy or dimensional plane, whose specific mission is to act as a bridge between The Great White Brotherhood/Galactic Federation/Spiritual-Angelic Hierarchies and those souls who have lost their connection to their Higher Selves and their divine purpose. StarSeeds bring with them the skills necessary to help assist and catalyze a global shift in consciousness, eventually bringing on a new golden age...Source and further reading:The StarSeed TransMission

There is even a star seed quiz:
The Starseed Quiz

I got 81... not sure about it though.

On the same page of the quiz there is link to 'stargate research' so I have read it and it is very complicated...might need to read it 3 times :O Now this is where Mark Roberts discusses stonehenge/crop circles...and it appears to be interconnected with the star seed theory. Due to the fact I am completely ignorant with Sirius and Dogon stuff...well sirius I am aware of but drawing blanks on the later one so anyone who is knowledgeable * sp... sorry...would love to find out whether his comparisons and results are BS and provide links if any are relevant to where my head is at. lol

I have provided link from Chpt one and you can take it from there...or not, whatever lol
home.earthlink.net...

Have more but still digesting it...
cheers
Nat

well I just tried to edit above post and everything disappeared...um? so I instead of updating just got out of it... 'phew' just thought I had lost my post...

anyway..here is conclusion page if you dont want to read the entire chapters

conclusions

it just did it again! went to edit and lost post...what and why??

this is a good site brazillian

Brazillian link

Originally posted by NJE777
Due to the fact I am completely ignorant with Sirius and Dogon stuff...well sirius I am aware of but drawing blanks on the later one

so anyone who is knowledgeable * sp... sorry...would love to find out whether his comparisons and results are BS and provide links if any are relevant to where my head is at. lol

Have more but still digesting it...
cheers
Nat

Regarding the Dogon, here's a couple of places, and a quote from one:
[os] ( EDIT - This "os" is me trying to remember how to designate a quote as an "outside source, and failing!)

The story goes that when they were first contacted by Europeans, a
small stone-age tribe in Africa called the Dogon knew about a string
of astronomical phenomena, including Jovian satellites, the rings of
Saturn and the invisible companion star of Sirius ("The Pup"). Some
UFO enthusiasts have taken this as proof of visits to the Dogon by
aliens.

In "Broca's Brain", Carl Sagan writes:

The most striking aspects of Dogon astronomy have been recounted
by Marcel Griaule, a French anthropologist working in the 1930s
and 1940s. While there is no reason to doubt Griaule's account,
it is important to note that there is no earlier Western record of
these remarkable Dogon folk beliefs [...]

The facts known to the Dogon were mostly discovered over a century
before Griaule discovered them. It is most likely that the Dogon got
this knowledge from human visitors rather than extra-terrestrial ones.
In addition their astronomy included a number of facts which were
widely accepted in the 1920s but which are now known to be false. It
seems odd that visiting aliens would have made the same mistakes.

Apparently a debunking of Dogon astronomy can be found in an
article by W. Van Beck in _Current Anthropology_, vol. 32, pp.
139-167, 1991.
[/os]Source:www.faqs.org...

Also, see these two webpages:
www.ramtops.co.uk...

www.ramtops.co.uk...

The second one is a summary, and both can be found at Doug's Archaeology Site.

Immediately place the link to Doug's site in your favorites file. You won't believe how useful it is!

Harte

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oh they are fantastic links!

have put them in my fav's.

ty...

The STARSEED TRANSMISSIONS........well they were amazing books......when I ran into them in the 80's I was very engrossed. I learned alot from them, even if I did not take every word as fact......it was full of grand ideas.

The Starseed matter was lost on me, but your discription later reminded me of a Post I reviewed about some of the topics you note. I trust this links work and the reading is insightful and useful.

This is title the Stargate Conspiracy and it deals with the Cassiopaians and such. Really out there stuff.

www.conspiracyplanet.com...

and

www.conspiracyplanet.com...

And I see you have had some of the Dogan matter addressed by another Poster, but try this.

The Dogan hold and maintain a knowledge from the Old Days, much akin to the type of knowledge the Aboriginies in Austrailia have, but I am not certian the Dogan's knowledge goes back 14000 years.

The knowledge of the Dog Star, and the orbits of is satelites is fascinating, since it was not until the late 60's, we could even confirm any of it with our best Telescopes.

As your previous poster noted, one must either consider, "SOMEONE or SOMETHING TOLD THEM, or I offer this.

You maybe familiar with the Biblical account of the Flood. God tore a hole in something called the firmament. This was described as a layer of water that enveloped and protected the earth.

Think of what you can observe with water. Go to any Cottage Lake with no wake or waves, and you can see a beautiful reflection of what you are viewing in the water. I am sure you know what I mean. Also, if you look thru water, with a bent or rounded clear item, there is a magnification effect this has on what you are viewing.

If you stood, in the desert night, and looked thru the Firmament, would it not act as a magnifying glass, and allow the viewer to have a clear and enlarged view of the heavens and what is in them???

My personal view is this is how the Dogan had this knowledge of Sirrus and the Orbit Cycle, that made up the festival or special day of worship, the Dogan where celebrating when the Frenchman had met them for the first time.

I noted a reflective quality, for another reason. Think of that reflective quality water has. Now imagine this looking at the firmament. You would see everything on the Landscape for MILES and MILES.

Now let's travel due West to South America and the Plateau with all the Lines that could only be laidout from overhead. Jumbled rocks, looking from the ground, but Spyders, Monkeys, Runways and other things are all over.

You did not need to do anything more than look at the firmament to lay these lines in such a form, but then science forgets pre flood conditions on this earth. It just assumes everything today, is as it has always been.

I hope you enjoy the Link and find the answers you seek.

Ciao

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In case you missed it, there are links from that quiz siteb to other Stargate sites.


home.earthlink.net...

Bingo...you know when you recognise something, its this strange familiarity but draw blanks? Well soon as Shane mentioned Indigenous Australians I was like 'clunk'...thats where I have heard of it...oh gee this is such a big can of worms.
This is where the rock art/ Dreaming comes in. Oh wow...I have so much reading...be back in a couple of days I reckon lol

Ok well I will start with Mark Roberts….
I checked out his bio, it is quite impressive, extra points for being as ‘old as dirt’.

Is he credible? Guess that is up to you to decide either way…

He had 2 contacts with the Grays…then became Methodist Preacher, retired to pursue Archaeology…this took him all around the world.

He was influenced by Dr. Thomas Maughan, D.Sc Chief of Order of Druids in Britain

“The Druids existed from a remote past as a powerful and influential brotherhood. What the date of foundation of this brotherhood was, if it was ever “founded” in the ordinary sense, none can tell.
But this we know, that all arcane wisdom ultimately derives from one source — the Divine Light. This Wisdom had its earliest homes in the Island Continents, Atlantis and Lemuria, that have now vanished beneath the waves. But before the series of catastrophies was completed the Ancient Wisdom was brought to other parts of the world, and so in this manner arose the Mystery Schools of Egypt, Chaldea, Greece, the Druid Mysteries of Great Britain and Gaul, the Hebrew Qabbalah and the Esoteric Wisdom of the Chinese, Hindus, Teutons and Scandinavians, Persians, Alchemists, Rosicrucians and others.” …further reading Druid information

And Margret Lumley Brown (Dione Fortune)

The Society of the Inner Light is closely associated in the public mind with its founder Dion Fortune. What is less known is the importance of Margaret Lumley Brown who took over many of her functions from 1946 to 1961. She was probably the finest medium and psychic of the 20th century and raised the arts of psychism and mediumship to an entirely new level, and the high quality of communication that came through her has not been equalled.

Part One “Haunting Experiences” tells of her somewhat bizarre upbringing and of the frightening way in which her natural psychism developed as a consequence of living in a haunted house. Part Two is devoted to some articles written by her on Dreams, Elementals, the Faery Kingdom, Healing and Atlantis. Part Three provides examples of her mediumship with trance addresses on subjects as diverse as Elemental Contacts, Angels and Archangels, Greek and Egyptian gods, and the Holy Grail. A close friend of Algernon Blackwood, she was also much interested in poetics and the evocative power of rhythmic sound and Part Four is devoted to the occult side of poetry with some examples of her own work…Pythoness: The Life and Work of Margaret Lumley Brown

Roberts moved into television production, writing producing, documentaries, involved with creating museum in Texas, writing for Science Digest but specialised in translating ancient messages –Ogham alphabet; and this alphabet is at the core of the starquest research and Atlantis/Lemuria civilisations.

Now, so far the only area of doubt for me is Margaret Lumley Brown…I can’t write off Druid mythology that quickly though.

The Ogham alphabet does have a legitimate basis…perhaps only contention is with the ‘interpretation’.

The Ogham alphabet is thought to be named after the Irish god Ogma. One theory of its origins is that it evolved out of a system of tallies used for accounting. Ogham is also known as or ogham craobh, beth luis fearn or beth luis nion.
About 500 Ogham inscriptions have been found in Ireland, Scotland, Wales and England dating from between the 4th and 7th centuries AD. There are inscriptions in archaic forms of Gaelic and Pictish, which have not been deciphered. A handful of inscriptions featuring the Ogham script and the Latin alphabet have also been found.
While all surviving traces of Ogham are inscriptions on stone, it was probably more commonly inscribed on sticks, stakes and trees. Inscriptions generally take the form of somebody's name and the name of a place and were probably used to mark boundaries…further reading…excellent links that provide photos and symbols of the alphabet OghamAlphabet

Ok will stop here and post this and hopefully it will not vanish… I will post up further summary on Ogham and Roberts findings in a moment…

fingers crossed

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Continued…
Archaeological evidence on Ogham

The exact dates of the Ogham inscriptions vary a couple hundred years, depending upon which scholar one is referencing. McMannus puts them from the fifth to the seventh centuries AD. Miranda Green places them starting no later than 300 AD and going up to the Irish Christian era (approximately seven or eight hundred AD) . However, the script was almost assuredly around in one form or another much, much earlier Ogham by Rob Gombach Utah State University

There are several different theories that have surfaced as to the origin of the Ogham alphabet.

1st theory: Dr Barry Fell, Prof of Zoology Havard Univesity…based on ogham inscriptions in Nth America…

There are many problems with Dr. Fell’s research. Firstly, Dr. Fell was a Professor of Zoology. Linguistics was more of a hobby for him. He did not have the expertise to do any serious work with Ogham… Ogham by Rob Gombach Utah State University

2nd theory:
R A S Macalister’s theory states ogham originated as sign language…

…he had his faults too. One of them was that he refused to be wrong about a decipherment. Many scholars (McManus for one) abandon this theory, based on things such as the awkwardness of its characters. It is more easily reconciled with another medium than that of a written language. Scholars argue that just because Ogham is based on the number five, and just because a hand has five fingers, this is not enough to link it with hand made gestures. Ogham by Rob Gombach Utah State University

This is as far as I can tell at this stage, the most accepted theory:

It is in all likelihood that we find the origins of Ogham linked with the Greek alphabet. The fact that Caesar mentions Ogham, is significant. After all, how could Caesar have known about it if it had not been invented yet? Ogham by Rob Gombach Utah State University

and yet,

There is still much that needs to be done as far as Ogham goes. Many of the translations have not been completed, and there is always work to be done with regard to the stones that are currently known to exist. Scholars have disagreed several times as to the translations on the stones. There is also the Oghams that are supposedly on the North American continent. No serious work has been done on those. There’s a lot of information that is unknown about Ogham and the Celts that is waiting to be learned. Ogham by Rob Gombach Utah State University

Now as you can see, this info relies on R Gombach...so included some other sources of info:

So when was the Ogham created? Judging from the information contained within it, it was created sometime during the first millennium BC and probably somewhere after 500 BC. It could not have been created later than 55 BC, for the Celts would have used the Latin alphabet instead. It could not have been created before the seventh century BC because the Latin alphabet was not in use before that time. It is specifically stated that the Ogham came after the invention of the Latin alphabet although it is nowhere said that the Ogham were derived from the Latin alphabet. It is therefore most likely to have been created at the high water mark of the Hellenic culture, between the sixth century and the end of the Alexandrian period, in an area where Greek and Celt traded, used a common alphabet and philosophised. This agrees with R A S Macalister's opinion that it could not be earlier than 500 BC. THE TRADITIONAL HISTORY OF THE OGHAM By Kevin Jones

Curtis Clark describes this old Irish alphabet and the plants that correspond to it. He considers its origins in the light of the distribution of those plants, with maps.
I had considered this before coming across it, I wondered if distribution of the twenty sacred trees had further clues to the origins of ogham…

I am trying to establish for my own idle curiosity where ogham fits in with Atlantis…and the starseed theory.

At this stage I am satisfied with the estimation that ogham fits into the Hellenic period thus at the time where Greek mythology explained the origins of the world.

Back to Roberts….

any thoughts thus far would be appreciated...

Originally posted by NJE777

So when was the Ogham created? Judging from the information contained within it, it was created sometime during the first millennium BC and probably somewhere after 500 BC. It could not have been created later than 55 BC, for the Celts would have used the Latin alphabet instead. It could not have been created before the seventh century BC because the Latin alphabet was not in use before that time. It is specifically stated that the Ogham came after the invention of the Latin alphabet although it is nowhere said that the Ogham were derived from the Latin alphabet. It is therefore most likely to have been created at the high water mark of the Hellenic culture, between the sixth century and the end of the Alexandrian period, in an area where Greek and Celt traded, used a common alphabet and philosophised. This agrees with R A S Macalister's opinion that it could not be earlier than 500 BC.

...I am trying to establish for my own idle curiosity where ogham fits in with Atlantis…and the starseed theory.

any thoughts thus far would be appreciated...

NJE777,
Well, if the above dates are correct, then Ogham doesn't "fit in" at all with Atlantis. These dates are like the day before yesterday to an archaeologist. There's just no way that any rich and/or powerful nation that we know nothing about existed in that era. There's too many records from then.

Of course, it also requires us to completely ignore Plato, the only guy from the past that even says anything about Atlantis. Plato and only Plato. Well, maybe Plato was wrong. But 500 BC was only a few years before Plato was born, for God's sake. And why is it that we don't have any Homeric tale of Atlantis? Homer's tales pretty much covered everything else, why nothing at all about Atlantis?

The Druids aren't all that much older than this either. They are definitely not from Atlantis. And I would certainly look with a jaundiced eye on anything any psychic has to say about Atlantis. Let'm find your lost keys first.

Harte

I am finding this Starseed quite interesting.

Many the posters have offered excellent info.

I see the Druids are involved.

Here's something about the Druid's you may not be aware of.

Taken from the Lost Gospel of Paul, Acts Chapter 29

www.biblefacts.org...

"And it shall come to pass that certain of the Druids came to Paul privately, and showed by their rites and ceremonies they were descended from the Jews which escaped from bondage in the land of Egypt, and the apostle believed these things, and gave them the kiss of peace."

The whole Chapter is quite a telling tell, but this is from around the Middle of the Text. Read the whole thing. It's not that long.

Also note that the Chapter completes the Act's with Paul's customary AMEN. This is just for those who wondered why Acts was Pauls only book not ending with Amen, as in the KJV

So I offer this solely to note, Paul knew from where the Druid's Originated.
To bad the Church today, does not know.

Also, I saw a notation in respects to Dr Barry Fell and some mouthpiece discrediting his abilities. It's too bad, you can go to school and aquire all types of inititials after your name, but lack any intelligence.

Dr Barry Fell was also a linguist, despite his major, and has done excellent work with the Languages of the Ancient Times. Easter Island, and ancient writings there, where translated by Barry. As noted, he also did a lot of work with Ogham. (America BC, which Fell wrote deals with some of this here). Also he did quite a few studies on the Ogham found in Ireland.

He was also invloved here (in Ontario Canada) in and around Peterborough, with Norse Runes. I also saw a study he gave on the Rune Stone found in Minnsota. The Kenningston Rune Stone is a real piece of work. Biblical Knowledge and Teachings throughout it indicating exactly what the Norse truely believed, along with a complete account of the of the Journey and conditions of the Travellers and where they had been.

So Barry Fell's abilities far exceed anything someone with a mouth can discredit. It is more likely, the translations that where "Generally Accepted" and found incorrectly translated by Fell, maybe some of the reasons why those like Gombach have an axe to grind.

With these points said, I would tend to agree with Harte, who is looking for his keys.

The Druids would have escaped Egypt around 2400 BC or later and Ogham would be a Language which would have had a 700 to 600 BC Origin at the earliest.

But the info is excellent and as noted, interesting, to say the least.

Ciao

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Originally posted by Harte

Well, if the above dates are correct, then Ogham doesn't "fit in" at all with Atlantis. These dates are like the day before yesterday to an archaeologist. There's just no way that any rich and/or powerful nation that we know nothing about existed in that era. There's too many records from then.

Hello, the dates for me signify that ogham was present or at least 'officially' recorded by Caesar

Originally posted by Shane
Also, I saw a notation in respects to Dr Barry Fell and some mouthpiece discrediting his abilities. It's too bad, you can go to school and aquire all types of inititials after your name, but lack any intelligence.

Dr Barry Fell was also a linguist, despite his major, and has done excellent work with the Languages of the Ancient Times. Easter Island, and ancient writings there, where translated by Barry. As noted, he also did a lot of work with Ogham. (America BC, which Fell wrote deals with some of this here). Also he did quite a few studies on the Ogham found in Ireland.

He was also invloved here (in Ontario Canada) in and around Peterborough, with Norse Runes. I also saw a study he gave on the Rune Stone found in Minnsota. The Kenningston Rune Stone is a real piece of work. Biblical Knowledge and Teachings throughout it indicating exactly what the Norse truely believed, along with a complete account of the of the Journey and conditions of the Travellers and where they had been.

So Barry Fell's abilities far exceed anything someone with a mouth can discredit. It is more likely, the translations that where "Generally Accepted" and found incorrectly translated by Fell, maybe some of the reasons why those like Gombach have an axe to grind.

thanks for this...and it is noted... and welcome!
nice to see it from another angle...

I have put down Roberts for the moment as I want to establish the above....

I refer to Greek classical mythology, in particular the Ages of Man, if we consider the Bronze Age...


Now, the Bronze Age is significant to the Atlantis discussion...archaeology also refers to the Bronze Age:

The Bronze Age is a period in a civilization's development when the most advanced metalworking (at least in systematic and widespread use) consisted of techniques for smelting copper and tin from naturally occurring outcroppings of ore, and then alloying those metals in order to cast bronze.Ref

The Aegean bronze age civilisations established a far-ranging trade network. This network imported tin and charcoal to Cyprus, where copper was mined and alloyed with the tin to produce bronze.Ref

Now, there is an overlap between pre hellenic (Minoan) and hellenic times (Cretan)...the Minoan civilisation 1900 - 1300 BCE stems from the Aegean culture and Cretan civilization. Please correct me if I am wrong...but doesnt Plato's dates of Atlantis correlate with Cretan culture? Disregarding for the moment the contention with Plato's dates (9000 or 900 BCE?) The Minoan civilization falls, into this overlap, fine line with archaeological dates! ...Now the Minoan civilization traded with the Egyptians and the Egyptians traded with the Druids... and after the Minoans', the Aegean culture also, (Ref, directly above) based on archaeological evidence established a far-ranging trade network

Now, earlier I posted a link to Druid info about the sacred trees:

Curtis Clark describes this old Irish alphabet and the plants that correspond to it. He considers its origins in the light of the distribution of those plants, with maps.

I think in terms of mythology, this is a significant similarity...

The third Age was of bronze. Zeus created men from ash treesRef

I definitely feel the Druids traded with the Minoan culture/Aegean and possibly or remotely the Cretan culture..so at this stage I feel ogham ties to Atlantis maybe logical...? Well as logical as it can be based on mythology & archaeology







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Plato pretty clearly places the end of Atlantis at around 9500 BC, this predates basically every single civilization known to us. Of course, it would depend on your definition of civilization.

Nomadic tribes chasing their cattle across the steppes, maybe. Cities, manufacturing, trade of goods and services? Almost certainly not.

The Minoans came literally millenia later.

If you want to place Atlantis at 950 BC, in defiance of Plato, and without any reason, then that's your Atlantis, not Plato's. But even if you do, just because it was pre-Hellenic, that by no means indicates that it was pre-anybody else. A large, rich and powerful civilization cannot have existed at that time without leaving a trace. And I don't necessarily mean just ruins. I mean records among the other civilizations that were around at that time, in the same part of the world.

There is no mention of Atlantis anywhere in the ancient world until Plato brings it up in two of his dialogues.

Also, I would dearly love to see any Druidic artifacts of Egyptian origin that have been found anywhere in Britain.

Also, to the other poster, I don't care what you say about Fell, he's a con man. And last time I checked, nobody had translated the glyphs (Rongorongo script) at Easter Island.
en.wikipedia.org...
www.omniglot.com...
www.netaxs.com...
www.pacificislandtravel.com... ongo.asp
A couple of those links may claim that the script has been (at least partially) deciphered, but these "translations" haven't been generally accepted as accurate.
You'd be extremely hard pressed to even find the name "Fell" at any website regarding this text (unless, of course, the website is actually about Fell.) Your claim about this shyster is sounding very similar to Sitchen's claim that he is the only one in the world that can "properly" translate Sumerian cuneiform script.
About Fell:
The following links are in reference to the very subject at hand, the Ogham script, and Fell's claims to have found it in America:
cwva.org...
cwva.org...
cwva.org...
These links concern Fell's "work" in other areas:
ydli.org...
www.ramtops.co.uk...

All of the above came from Doug's Archaeology Site. I told you to save it!

Harte