Open Challenge. There is no NWO.

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posted on Apr, 13 2006 @ 08:13 PM
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To everyone that has posted, I thank you. I have been busy with a few things, work especially. Please, give me a few days and I will respond to everyones messages and just a bit on weather control. I was not debunking weather control as a whole but simply debunking the guy who ran that specific site. I will be back in a day or so with adequate information for everyone and to debunk every claim that is made so far. Thanks for your time and patience.




posted on Apr, 13 2006 @ 08:48 PM
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mrjenka, why must you insist on debunking every claim that is made? Is that what you are about or your reasons for posting? I thought most of us come here to learn and share the knowledge we may possess, and even debate, but just to flat out want to debunk every claim made, I dont quite understand that reasoning, and that is what you said you return to do am I correct?



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 02:16 AM
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I appreciate the sense of objectivity.

The goal of a NWO is definitely a very difficult one. Your comments are good at pointing this out.

Most of us do this study on a very part time basis. Too part time to have all the answers and research data cataloged in front of us and a certain amount of faith in some material and ideas is a part of the beliefs we hold. But that is true about everyone and everyone's beliefs. I like to believe 90+ % of everything I think I know is likely to be flawed in some way. Still the general evidence and common sense lead me to support a "NWO" and conspiracy context for world events.

I believe the we are incredibly naive in this day and age about the degree to which people are planted or are cultivate as instigators and agitators in world events. I believe there are few if any truly "Natural" events taking place on the world "Stage". Most so called events are the direct and indirect results of people being put in place to facilitate a course of action. Events like 9/11 are just a small part of a means to an end. Imagine the room your in has a floor covered by paper clips. Would you pick them up one at a time or shovel them into groups and collect the groups? Of course grouping them is much more efficient. The forces with influence the world have used this as a foundation of their actions for thousands of years. If a cause/issue can be found that a population can be polarized around then it is manipulated and if one can not be found then a cause is fabricated and the manipulation proceeds not from one side or the other but applied to all sides as needed to serve the ends desired. I believe Darwinism, Einsteinism, Communism, old religions, illegal aliens, civil rights, slavery, fascism, socialism, political parties, new world order agendas and virtually anything you can rally people around is or has been used and perverted in every conceivable way by interests serving a higher interest which is serving a higher interest which intimately is service self interests somewhere.

My religion (to remain nameless) began in the mid 1800s. After the founder, so to say died, schisms began immediately and since it was started in India the schisms revolved around that part of the world. One such group began an illegitimate branch in the Punjab as an alternative to the Sikhs. Here you have an example of literally dozens of fake mini-religions occurring because someone is willing to sucker others for their livelihood. Imagine if you have a long and well establishing set of dynasties that have made their living in this way successfully for thousands of years. What a bag of tricks they would have and what a system they might develop to preserve their position. Then suddenly there is a massive infussion of vitality in the world and a technological acceleration of possibilities for yet greater global control. What would these people do but exploit the opportunity to the greatest extent possible.

Here are a few examples of what I think of as long term conspiracies leading towards the goal of a NWO. It is primarily the priests and the money lenders ie the two biggest scam artists in world history.

All the old religions appear to me to be marketing scams. I believe Judaism is a scan and Christianity was likely created as a secondary scam to pick up some of the people who didn't get into Judaism. I believe Catholicism fabricated Islam and later the Jesuits fabricated the Mormons and many other off shoots of Christianity and new age mumbo jumbo and so called cults. I believe that independently or otherwise Buddhism, Hinduism, Sikhism and others are likewise marketing scams. I believe in a similar vain that Julius Caesar was killed for coining currency, Lincoln and JFK similarly killed in part because they supported the state coining its own money and the US Revolutionary War was a result of England banning the "Colony" from printing colonial script. In other words you have two long standing scammers ie lazy bums ie conspirator groups that want to earn their livings doing little of nothing. These people want to view themselves in a positive light so they fantasies they are superior or entitled or whatever.

If you want to see long standing conspiracies just look at the old world religions or the Jesuits and their history. The Jesuits where specifically created to destroy free speech and free press by military edict of the Pope. Just look at communism which is a Catholic/Jesuit fabrication and the way it was promoted for over a hundred years as a cure for the ills of mankind. Look at how it was leveraged in country after country and what the fantasy promoted was versus the goals and results achieved. The results have been pacified populations with much reduced family ties and tradional beliefs. Today the young around the world are preety much the same empty vessels being filled with the media based belief system.

Marx, Stalin, Himmler, Castro, Mao, Pol Pot and many others have Catholic/Jesuit roots as do social promoters such as Mick Jagger of the Rolling Stones (Hedonism) and Quintin Tarrantino (Violence) who are said to be co-adjunct Jesuit priests.

Why do corporate executives make so much money? Because they have been cultivated, planted or instigated as gatekeepers whether they know it or not. They serve their masters for example Bill Gates who is a knight of Malta (Vatican Money handlers) as Microsoft is a Vatican Corporation. Organizations like the CFR, the New Century people and others are just middle men serving an interest that's serving an interest that's service a self interest somewhere. They themselves may have know idea what the real interests are all they know is thy are being well paid for thinking the way they do and performing tasks that seem to them noble by what every rational is needed to fill their pocket books.

Your right it's a very difficult task but that doesn't mean there aren't low breds eager to maintain their dynasties and willing to do anything to do it. Why aren't there any real leaders to oppose them? Because they are killed almost immediately when they rise up (Benito Juarez for example) or they are subjugated by black mail or extortion or even brain washing. What we see in the likes of Kerry and Gore for example are gatekeepers who stand in to block more legitimate candidates and take the dive like a fixed boxing match. GW has the ear marks of being not just a puppet but a genuine Illuminati trauma based mind control slave. If you don't believe that exists do your own research on the subject.

Where is the money to do the NWO effort, it's called the Federal Reserve that scams trillions from the US with a fake deficit and is now in pretty much every country in the world stealing money from people everywhere.

Who is behind the NWO? At the highest level it is the king of the regions where "Matter" exists. Because our spirits are not from here and will not remain here but our spirits are the life blood of all the regions of "Matter" and the primary source of Matters animation. That king doesn't live in hell rather is at the top of the spiritual/material regions and is known as the Devil, Kal, Brahm or God.

You might look at the Christian Fundamentalist site VaticanAssassins.org for the most authoritive info on the Jesuits as a co-founder of the modern Illuminati.



posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 04:17 AM
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Originally posted by ReelView
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GW has the ear marks of being not just a puppet but a genuine Illuminati trauma based mind control slave. If you don't believe that exists do your own research on the subject.
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Thanx, nothing to add except two links, because next to no-one is going to 'some research' the sources are not meant as definitve quality material mind you.

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posted on Apr, 14 2006 @ 08:08 AM
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"There is no NWO"




You keep telling yourself that kiddo!



posted on Apr, 15 2006 @ 05:30 AM
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Originally posted by mrjenka
This is absolutly absurd!!!! A police state! Are you kidding me? Why is it hard to do so? I live in Los Angeles and the police state is present. I don't mean LAPD, but the powers that be who control them. And the U.N. does not have enough troops to take over any nation. How many members are in the U.N.? Now send in 100,000 troops from each country into the U.S. and what do you have? A potential takeover. But the national guards will protect us. Well guess what, the guards (and bless their souls) are doctors, lawyers, cops, etc., and I just found out that in Ohio, there are no guards, because, they are in Iraq. Let us not forget that people in this country and others live as free people Really? When sites like these are bugged by the NSA (admitted by the Bush administration, the NSA, sources: Reuters, Los Angeles Times, A.P., Knight Ridder, ) . T
And in conclusion, we are preparing to go to war with Iran. Why? Read this

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posted on Apr, 15 2006 @ 12:52 PM
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Sorry mrjenka but it's real. "They" are the globalist elite who feel
they're special and the rest of us are just "useless eaters." They
are the highest level CEO's in the CFR (Council on Foreign Relations)
who decide who gets elected US President. They are also the
highest level elite behind the EU, & the WTO, and UN. They are
"policy planners" privately funded, not elected, undermining
Constitutions everywhere by convincing politicians to share their
vision and plans. And because money controls the media, they
keep people asleep with mindless entertainment drivel that people
come to demand as their 'right.' (Treat a dolphin like a dumb fish and
it learns to act like one.) So it's about propaganda, disinformation,
or an INFO WAR. See: www.infowars.com ...and don't miss the many
fine FREE vids at: www.technoslavery.com/documentary

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posted on Apr, 15 2006 @ 01:33 PM
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It would seem we have some "agents" on this forum to keep things stirred up. No one on this forum could be as ignorant and uniformed as those who say there is no NWO or some version of it. Ditto with the Federal Reserve.



posted on Apr, 15 2006 @ 01:47 PM
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Pardon my spelling. I meant UNINFORMED.

Inquirer



posted on Apr, 15 2006 @ 05:46 PM
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just a quick survey...

how many people are using Linux to read this site?



posted on Apr, 16 2006 @ 02:15 AM
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Congratulations mrjenka you're EXATCLY what the big wigs want.

Maybe you should read all of the websites that people have been trying to get you to read.
I mean... what kind of proof do you want? Want the president to come out and say "it's New world order time?" oh wait... he already said that.


Hmm maybe if they aired it on cartoon network more people would believe.



posted on Apr, 16 2006 @ 02:20 AM
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I don't believe in an organized one world government either.

I do believe in a loosely affiliated group of several organized groups of wealthy families though, ranging from all nations as the European aristocracy once did.

The names are probably actually fairly easy to find, if you know where to look. Say, on corporate websites listing major shareholders and CEOs. Hell, Rumsfelds "Gilead Pharmaceudicals" would be a number one example of an easy to find elite who should be deposed that you guys could look up if you wanted to.

The whole NWO acronym is an embarassment and only hurts any sort of real information spreading that may be going on, and gives our fool opponents a way to discredit us.

So yea, no NWO, definite organized overhead assholes.




posted on Apr, 16 2006 @ 02:23 AM
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New World Order has been a long term friend with my imagination. It plays a great deal in peoples fears, especially those who are ATS members
. But on a serious note, NWO already exists even if its not the way most conspirators might think it is. *note: this is of course an opinion*. The NWO is thought to be an underground organization consisting of the most powerful people of the world secretly making the decisions about what happens daily that effect everybody in the world. And as this may not be a group of politicians, it very well can be a group of the most wealthy corporation owners in the world. Afterall, what does money equal? Power. The power over the airwaves, advertisements, production lines, politician bribes, and much much more. So who is to say there is no NWO when many corporations effect every single persons lives? Who is to say that there is no secret superpower, when and if these corporations combine and team up they could shut down economys and destroy tax income for federal governments? What is in good interest of these companys are in good interest of major politians who have thier hand in the gold. There is around 50 corporations who tower over the world and own many, many, many, lower buisness'. There for, the more McDonald's we can open in Afghanistan, the better for America, Corporate America, and the success of our vicious 'manifest destiny' (if you will). So even if you so harshly disagree with me, take the time to consider if the same company that produces that refreshing soft drink might own the company that produced that fine fast food bonanza. Thanks to all.



posted on Apr, 16 2006 @ 02:30 AM
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Also, don't forget that Afghanistan is a relatively easy win for some really lucrative cashflow. Plus isn't there a huge and fairly vital pipeline running straight through the country?

With Afghanistan, the motives are ulterior, and I am ashamed for Canada that we are there with so many and that so many are being decieved in the name of.



posted on Apr, 16 2006 @ 03:09 AM
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Originally posted by shirasiyu330
I do believe in a loosely affiliated group of several organized groups of wealthy families though, ranging from all nations as the European aristocracy once did.



That's also what I believe the NWO to be.

Trying to tie these goups to the Bavarian Illuminati and the Reptilians or saying that they are exclusively jews or satanists is what causes serious NWO researchers to have a bad name. In fact this kind of disinfo is probably promoted by these elite families themselves.

MrJenka, would you accept that this version of NWO could exists?

[edit on 16/4/06 by ConspiracyNut23]



posted on Apr, 16 2006 @ 09:18 PM
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Why are so many people on this forum wasting their time trying to convince jenka and others of something they probably already know? Look how long this guy jenka has been jerking our chain on this subject and all the sincere work that members have put forth trying to turn him around.
This guy is probably sitting in his government office laughing his ass off at all of us.
Look at how he's manipulating us! Aren't we smarter than this?

Inquirer



posted on Apr, 16 2006 @ 10:10 PM
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You have a valid point there inquirer, although I think that quite a few people have already mentioned this in a round about way. I see also that mrjenka has been sort of MIA for a bit, been busy with other things. Lets see I believe the last post he made was like three days ago. I myself just found it really irritating that he just dosent have time to address the information that he has been provided with and really I also believe he knows that he has not met the challenge he himself iniitiated. Note his last post though, he will return to debunk every claim made, think may he is just that a debunker, albeit, not a very good one in this issue.



posted on Apr, 17 2006 @ 10:53 AM
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For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well‑ publicized incidents to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure ‑ one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it. (David Rockefeller, Memoirs, 2002)
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posted on Apr, 17 2006 @ 12:24 PM
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Speaking of David Rockefeller, Would anyone know where I can get a copy of Bill Moyers's The World of David Rockefeller (a 1980 TV special)

I've been looking everywhere for it, can't seem to find it anywhere.

Even the PBS doesn't have much...


Anyways, any lead would be appreciated on this.



posted on Apr, 17 2006 @ 01:49 PM
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Originally posted by mrjenka
I care not to read bunch of mumbo gumbo, but, simply answer my questions. They stand as follows. Who took over what? When is this NWO taking over? Who is in the NWO? I would like someone to make a list of people and your opinion of what role they play in this so called NWO.


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Here's the list:
Rockefellers, Rothschilds, DuPonts, Kennedys, Sax-Coberg-Goethes, Dutch Royality, Li Family, Astors, Bundys.
Read "Bloodlines of the Illuminati", "Tragedy and Hope", "America's Secret Establishment", "United Nations:Global Straightjacket", the books themselves are huge reference works, so its quite difficult to summarize in a little text box.
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Here's the basic idea, all money is controlled by eastern establishment families via ownership of the Fed and they use it to increase their power and control over society, all aspects, cultural, religious, corporate, media, military... which would be sufferable - except their religion is gnostic illuminism which is a continuation of the ancient death cults (think nazi occultism or aztec sacrifices)

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