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You can get these numbers by looking at and comparing radars,equipment etc one F/A 22 could kill many more F 15's vs Su35's although they only tried 5 against one but it can take on much more. I mean it's not impossible to compare.
Originally posted by Daedalus3
I don't understand how these 4:1...10:1 comparisions have been maed for WEstern vs non-western a/c.
One can understand if the comparisions have been made between a/c of the same AF(F-15s vs. F-22s).
Did the Typhoon go up against the Luftwaffe MiG29s? How good are the Luftwaffe MiG 29s?
Do they have serious BVR capability and top- notch Ruskie radars? (Zhuk M Phazotron)
I agree with Lawnmover man in his assessment that most (if not all) MiG 29s that have gone down in combat have been flown by less competent AFs flying planes which are defintiely not in prime condition.
You want to look at seriously capable MiG 29s? Try the new ones Lawnmower man mentioned in service with the Russian AF. Infact you can even try the not so latest ones with the IAF (MiG29A/B/S). They're equipped to carry the R-77 amraamski with a range of 80+ km and they have the new ZhukM phazotron radars. A simple google on these missiles and radars will give you a better idea of the a/c capabilities.
And if you're looking for recorded engagements between these MiG 29s and 4th gen a/c, then yo uwon't find any kills/losses because there haven't been any instances of authorised engagements. Though there has been one instance in the Kargil war(1999). The MiG 29s were flying escort for the Mirage 2000H fighters and they came across PAF F-16 A/Bs flying CAPs for NLI divisions of the Pak Army. Both a/c were on their resp. sides of the border but:
PAF's plight was exposed during the Pakistan army's incursion into the Kargil sector of Indian Kashmir in the summer of 1999. Analyses by Pakistani experts revealed that when the rubber met the road, PAF simply refused to play any part in support of the Pakistan army, angering the latter. While PAF fighters did fly Combat Air Patrols (CAP) during the conflict, they stayed well within Pakistani air space. On occasions, IAF MiG-29s armed with the deadly R-77 BVR Air-to-Air missiles were able to lock on to PAF F-16s, forcing the latter to disengage. In the absence of a PAF threat, the IAF was able to deliver numerous devastating strikes on intruder positions and supply dumps.
This was confirmed by both sides as it is catalogued as a lock-on at acig.org
Scroll down right to the bottom of the table and check out the 2nd last entry in pink:
P.S: I did a little research and found out that the EF Typhoon is actually replacing the Luftwaffe MiG 29s.
Originally posted by urmomma158
Originally posted by LAWNMOWERMAN
that may be the case, i will admit "sadly" that the MiGs track record in combat is very "poor" still
but my point is this
if you were to put an ISRAELi pilot behind the cockpit of an MiG-29SMT or SU-35/37 up against an SYRAIN pilot behind the cockpit of an TYPHOON as an example
8 out of 10 times the ISRAELi pilot would come out on top in an engagement willing to bet
what good really would the TYPHOON be in "combat" if it can not be "operated correctly" by a highly skilled pilot just as it can be said about the the MiG-29
how irrellevant british pilots are well trained i dont see why you are making this assumption