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1) Russia's economy is not at its best YET (we'll see how it is in a few decades)
2) Russia's people may be poor, that doesn't mean the military sucks.
Originally posted by Russian soldier
1) Russia's economy is not at its best YET (we'll see how it is in a few decades)
2) Russia's people may be poor, that doesn't mean the military sucks.
3) All the marvelous miltary stuff Russia made in the 80's is still in Russia's inventory and it is still a match for some of the more modern Western weapons. Example: Mig-29 created in the 80's. In 2000 Eurofighter was made to TRY to defeat it.
4) Russia is too often underestimated. I was born there. Live there. Seen their stuff. They will never give up.
5) Just wait some years and see which country comes out on top.
6) OK, all of you that think Hitler and Napoleon were defeated only because of the winter, that's a bad excuse. There is no excuse why a country lost or won a war, if we do it your way, we could make excuses for every war and we could say that all the countries won because of weather or whatever......a war won is a war won. If Hitler and Napoleon were alive today they wouldn't be making exuses of why they lost the wars.
Originally posted by urmomma158
Besides Russian soldier the Ef 2000 would destroy the Mig 29 in an engagement. Dont underestimate Western tech.
Originally posted by LAWNMOWERMAN
no matter what the masses think now
RUSSIA still has the means to review its "super power status" at any given time
its just a matter of really wanting to do so
the reason they ever lost their "status" in the first place was because of their "poor choice of politics"
and mismanagement
those who think RUSSIA is a push over
go ask the GERMAN's and NAPOLEAN what happen when they made that same mistake
Go looka the kill ratio for an EF2000 against a Su 35 its around 4 to 1. The EF 2000 is also being upgraded with newer A2a missiles and the Mig 29 has not shot down a single plane. The only kill ever achieved was by the cuban air force. The Su 37 is nothing more than a technology demonstrator. Also dont forget that russian pilots dont get much training, equipment is useless without the training. Iraq is one example. Good point supergeo the Sr 71 is a great example it wasnt revealed until it was a senior citizen the same goes for the nighthawk it was designed in the 70's.
Originally posted by LAWNMOWERMAN
Originally posted by urmomma158
Besides Russian soldier the Ef 2000 would destroy the Mig 29 in an engagement. Dont underestimate Western tech.
must disagree
the MiG-29 is still a well proven weapons platform and the TYPHOON has not yet to perform in combat
also you have to take in the account that one really has faced a "skilled pilot" in the cockpit of the MiG-29 so the IRAQi engagements do not count but... are duly noted
upgrades are well underway such as the MiG-29SMT
do get get me wrong the TYPHOON is very "impressive"
but so is the SU-37
no ones really underestimating WESTERN tech but the same thing can be said in return about RUSSIAN tech.
in the hands of a "well skilled" pilot "any thing possible"
[edit on 14-4-2006 by LAWNMOWERMAN]
PAF's plight was exposed during the Pakistan army's incursion into the Kargil sector of Indian Kashmir in the summer of 1999. Analyses by Pakistani experts revealed that when the rubber met the road, PAF simply refused to play any part in support of the Pakistan army, angering the latter. While PAF fighters did fly Combat Air Patrols (CAP) during the conflict, they stayed well within Pakistani air space. On occasions, IAF MiG-29s armed with the deadly R-77 BVR Air-to-Air missiles were able to lock on to PAF F-16s, forcing the latter to disengage. In the absence of a PAF threat, the IAF was able to deliver numerous devastating strikes on intruder positions and supply dumps.
Originally posted by LAWNMOWERMAN
that may be the case, i will admit "sadly" that the MiGs track record in combat is very "poor" still
but my point is this
if you were to put an ISRAELi pilot behind the cockpit of an MiG-29SMT or SU-35/37 up against an SYRAIN pilot behind the cockpit of an TYPHOON as an example
8 out of 10 times the ISRAELi pilot would come out on top in an engagement willing to bet
what good really would the TYPHOON be in "combat" if it can not be "operated correctly" by a highly skilled pilot just as it can be said about the the MiG-29