posted on Oct, 19 2009 @ 06:04 PM
To be clear and without prejudice:
My proposal, having now been removed, suffice to say, did violate specific T&C's particularly in the area of recruitment.
I am humbled by my post becoming 404.
I am grateful not to get another warning.
But I thought I should enter my two cents on this conversation to hopefully illustrate, to ATS members, the real boundaries to these T&C's
So: Here are the T&C as it relates to my post entitled "ATS Agency: The most dangerous post."
i) You will not use your membership at The Above Network, LLC site(s) for any type of recruitment to any causes whatsoever. You will not post, use the
chat feature, use videos, or use the private message system to disseminate advertisements, chain letters, petitions, pyramid schemes, or any kind of
solicitation for political action, social action, letter campaigns, or related online and/or offline coordinated actions of any kind.
ii) You will not use the discussion boards, the chat system or the private message system to collect or ask for the personal information (data mining)
about forum members, including email addresses and "real life" names, in any manner whatsoever, or for any reason whatsoever.
iii) You will not post, use the chat feature or use the private message system to solicit members of The Above Network, LLC on behalf of another
message board, online community or competitor. You will not attempt to use your membership to encourage or lure other members in any way to other
websites or discussion boards in competition with The Above Network, LLC. Doing so will result in removal of your post(s) and immediate termination of
Now, I specifically, was doing no. ii in my aforementioned thread.
I was also, specifically doing neither i nor iii.
I freely admit to that and I would like to again, thank TPTB for not punishing me to the maximum allowed, for I too enjoy my time at ATS.
Now to the legalese:
In the strictest of sense and as per your definition of i:
I was not in the slightest acting in any way that may have been determined to be in breach of any of no i's constituents with the possible exception
of: "or related online and/or offline coordinated actions of any kind." as there was a degree of coordination in inent of my aforementioned post.
I submit that this level of coordination was restricted to a format that fell well within the allowances of no i. That format being: the willing ATS
member has his/her name and location recorded. If there are ever investigations that need doing in that area, that ATS member is notified. That is
I don't print this to argue any kind of case against anyone or any particular set of rules. I accept my post is 404 for because I am guilty of a T&C
I'm posting this so that ATSers understand what not to do:
I was trying to collect a list of (ATS) names and locations so if there was "something happening" in their neck o' the woods, they could check it
It is an idea, I'm sure has been done before, that came to me while helping organise investigations during the Ottawa River UFO incident, and the G20
I'd like to further propose that ATS members duly take into consideration the subject matter of the organising they do here. For instance: there
seems to be no problem with the number of G20 posts that informed Ats members that were heading into Pittsburgh (to do what, exactly?) There was
conversation of strategy, safe houses, geography, timelines, links to groups that DO take sides and DO have agendas, one of these threads was my
creation, "G20 Pittsburgh: ATS Ready?" Again my intent: the coordinated gathering of information about a specific event.
Further to this point, my work organising investigations during the Ottawa River UFO incident used ATS, youtube, facebook and my telephone. It also
used at least four other ATS members on the ground. This incident and my involvement in it lead to free publicity for abovetopsecret.com in the form
of being mentioned on the news.
I'm sure it could easily be accepted that such a thread was in the purpose of collecting news to disseminate to ATS and organising ATS members for
the sake of ATS is not contraindicating ATS T&C, if we define "cause" as stated in rule i. of the Recruitment paragraphs as "a cause that does not
counter any of i, ii, or iii.)
Otherwise, no one is going to be able to every "do" anything, for we are surrounded by causes.
ATS has potential and I can appreciate the cautious nature of the ATS panel, we are riding a dangerous wave. But if we are reduced to the very things
the panel complains about, what's the point?
(edited to add hypnotic suggestions)
[edit on 19-10-2009 by briantaylor]