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My view on the New World Order

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posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 07:35 AM
I see a lot of people view NWO negatively, as a totalitarian world government. But even if we had a world government, would it necessarily have to be totalitarian?

The trend of social integration is millennia old. First there were groups of hunters and gatherers, then there were tribes, then nations, and today we are in the phase of forming a global community. Integration is advantageous for the whole society because people can do much more together, when they specialize and cooperate. Of course, in the past we could see dictators who pursued forceful integration in order to control and exploit populations. Nevertheless, I think the main forces behind the current international integration are economic and security-related and they can bring benefits for whole regions and for the world.

Gradual liberation of international trade, investments and labor migration contribute to better use of world resources but they also cause problems because countries necessarily undergo structural changes in their economies in order to fit better into the puzzle of international economy - changes which can cause, at least temporarily, unemployment and lower wages in some sectors of national economy.

Security-related motives play an important role in international integration as well. For example, they were one of main reasons (besides economic) for the creation of European Union after the second world war, when steel and coal (and later also nuclear) production of Germany and other European countries were joined under a plan of common development and supervision. The United Nations charter ( also declares as one of its main goals the promotion of peaceful coexistence and human rights in the world, although this organization is rather loose and so its power and effectiveness are very limited. Economic integration contributes to better international security too, because countries that are interlocked in mutually advantageous economic activity such as trade and investments have less incentive to harm each other.

If there will be a world government one day, I hope it will be democratic and based on the principle of subsidiarity. Principle of subsidiarity simply states that decision making takes place on that level where it is most effective for the society. It's commonly applied in private businesses and in governments. For example in the US there's the federal level, the state level and the local level. And in the EU we can see the state and regional/local level in individual countries but also common supranational institutions such as European Commission and EU Council, which decide, fully or partially, about issues concerning all countries in EU such as protection of business competition and of consumers, trans-European networks (electricity, transportation...), protection of environment, mutual financing for programs for economic and social development and security cooperation.
So, maybe one day the principle of subsidiarity will be used on a global level.

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 08:51 AM
any world government would have to be overbearing and incredibly strict if it even hoped to survive. give people an inch and they'll take a mile, which is why they would have to shut down almost all freedoms so people dont get any crazy ideas. the only way to keep the entire world under foot is to rule through fear.

more importantly to why the NWO = bad, they are killing civilians, destroying economys, starting wars, and extorting world powers to get where they're going. it's not because we view taking the world is evil that we hate them (though it is), it's because THEY are essentially evil. many of there activaties are not only deplorable, but downright sinister and all of these terrible means are justified by the ends of their lust for power and their dreams of global domination.

also, depending on who you ask, they may be evil lizards from a galaxy beyond our own

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 09:50 AM
Why would a global government have to be evil? It may be no worse than the federal government of the USA or the supranational institutions of the EU. The difference would be that it would make some decisions on a global level (for the whole world), like the creation and enforcement of common global law (especially human rights), maintaining internal (global) security, fighting poverty by means of a global budget which would transfer funds from prosperous to poor countries/regions, protection of environment, cosmic research.

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 11:57 AM
global gov't could conceivably be peaceful, however its like saying charles manson could conceivably been a good guy.

the fact is that hypothetical government isnt the one emerging. the gov't that is starting to show up IS evil and what it could be is completely irrelevent

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 01:59 PM

Originally posted by Omnipocketthe fact is that hypothetical government isnt the one emerging. the gov't that is starting to show up IS evil and what it could be is completely irrelevent

What emerging government do you mean? The largely impotent UN, which has big ideals but cannot do much to bring them into practice? Or is there something fundamentally evil about regional groupings like EU or NAFTA? Or do you dislike the US government? There are a lot of people all over the world who hate the Bush administration for the Iraq war, which - although it may be useful for anchoring the concept of democracy in the Middle East - was also based on lies and on oil interests. People also hate the Bush administration for withdrawing from the environmental Kyoto treaty, for its excessive support for Israel or for its rejection of International Criminal Court. But US government alone is not enough for a global government.

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 04:46 PM
good points. however my dispute to gov't doesnt stop at any one countries individual governing power. for the last 50 years, barring 911 (though it did nothing but HELP us gov't) there has been no event powerful enough to bring any of the worlds superpowers through any substantial transformation of political alignment or reform. for this reason, the gov'ts of the powerful socialties have all remained essentially unaltered and as such, they have grown closer. of course, possitive international relations have no evident downside. just under the surface, however, the nation's gov'ts are being drawn dangerously close together, and as such are begining to show an alarming amount of disregard for the welfare and civil rights of other nations, and in many cases (due to the stable flow of power to each of these powerful gov'ts) they even display a certain sense of disregard for their own people. like friends at school, they're becoming partial to certain groups while neglecting others in a kind of elitism that tends to increase over time. therefore, when i mention a world gov't, i am refering to an increasingly androginous gov't that could more than possibly take a final step to incorporate which would, based on the decreasing ammount of respect for the citisens of these countries, become a totalitarianism to insure a lasting control

posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 05:55 PM
Well, there has always been lobbying as well as corruption and so certain social groups have gained more than perhaps what they deserve and I agree that this problem could worsen when the government officials one could lobby or bribe become more powerful. I would hope that if there is a global governing structure, it will be regularly elected in democratic and fair global elections, its power will be divided like it is in developed countries today (legislative, executive, judicial branches with checks and balances) and special care will be taken to regulate lobbying and prevent corruption when it comes to this top level of government.

I'm not sure what you meant by governments' growing disregard for other nations or for their own citizens as a result of current international integration... Can you be more specific?

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