What is making us NOT fight back?, page 11

"I feel sorry for you, since you're so dead set on the violence as the only option left to us. That's the way that 'they' want you to think, because 'they' know you'll give up, and then 'they'll' have won. I'm not gonna lay down and die for ANYONE!! I don't give up for no reason. True, it may come to violent blows one day, but for now, we need to exhaust ALL other options before we resort to the throwing of fists. It should be the last option available to us. "


I want you to read this please.
And you tell me something, if there were no starving children, if there were no MOUNTAIN of MUSLIMS murdered by the U.S. military, if there were no uncureable diseases, and if the Mexicans even came over here and volunteered to be your Slaves.
With the situation described in that thread alone,
HOw in the hell are you going to tell me that YOU are NOT going to lay down for ANYONE!
It's like.... "they" right in front of your FACE on t.v,

Pretend it's a bunch doing this to YOU !! Whoever you like to label as the Bad Bad MEN.

Your not gonna lay down and die? Let's see if You can move.
Go CAMP OUT on the Front LAWN !!
You won't even demand ONE answer, and your gonna 'negotiate' an appropriate solution to this WAR. With who ?

GO SEE if 'they' will even TALK to any of YOU.

lissen,
Stop,Drop and ROLL

don't ask questions, if you are going to do something then JUST DO IT !

Quit jack'n around trying to prepare for how you think it might will turn out while WE are still burning. You won't fight back because you are scared to address the MAN or deal with the consequences so just "stay tuned" .
Now that you can possibly see what and who 'they' are actually DOing .

And I apologize for this if 'the people' does not apply to you.

Edit for inflammatory language


[edit on 16-4-2006 by masqua]

Keeping It Real

As a moderator, I've been trying to keep a low profile in this thread to avoid disrupting the discussion.

Especially in light of the topic, I don't want to come across as heavy-handed or trying to stifle honest and passionate debate or draw accusations of "The Man" keeping you down.

Let's remember that although the subject is somewhat "revolutionary" in nature, we still need to be respectful of one another and mindful of the terms and conditions.

I am the last person on ATS who should ever give anyone grief for being flamboyant, so don't get me wrong. Fire is good, and there's nothing wrong with being adamant about your beliefs.

The seeds of revolution are within each of us, but before we can make the world a better place, we must make ourselves better people.

In threads like this, as in the world at large, the best way to lead is by example.

So let's set a good example of what society should be like, and pursue it with passion!






Oh, and um... Fight the Power!

Originally posted by Contentious
"I feel sorry for you, since you're so dead set on the violence as the only option left to us. That's the way that 'they' want you to think, because 'they' know you'll give up, and then 'they'll' have won. I'm not gonna lay down and die for ANYONE!! I don't give up for no reason. True, it may come to violent blows one day, but for now, we need to exhaust ALL other options before we resort to the throwing of fists. It should be the last option available to us. "


I want you to read this please.
And you tell me something, if there were no starving children, if there were no MOUNTAIN of MUSLIMS murdered by the U.S. military, if there were no uncureable diseases, and if the Mexicans even came over here and volunteered to be your Slaves.
With the situation described in that thread alone,
HOw in the hell are you going to tell me that YOU are NOT going to lay down for ANYONE!
It's like.... "they" right in front of your FACE on t.v,

Pretend it's a bunch doing this to YOU !! Whoever you like to label as the Bad Bad MEN.

Your not gonna lay down and die? Let's see if You can move.
Go CAMP OUT on the Front LAWN !!
You won't even demand ONE answer, and your gonna 'negotiate' an appropriate solution to this WAR. With who ?

GO SEE if 'they' will even TALK to any of YOU.

lissen,
Stop,Drop and ROLL

don't ask questions, if you are going to do something then JUST DO IT !

Quit jack'n around trying to prepare for how you think it might will turn out while WE are still burning. You won't fight back because you are scared to address the MAN or deal with the consequences so just "stay tuned" .
Now that you can possibly see what and who 'they' are actually DOing .

And I apologize for this if 'the people' does not apply to you.

Edit for inflammatory language


[edit on 16-4-2006 by masqua]

Contentious:

No doubts, this is an evil world. However, I find it troubling that every post you've made has been so emotionally charged and loaded with rhetoric that it's almost funny. I think that maybe you've been into this subject a bit too long, and need a long holiday. If you cannot manage your behaviour during a debate, then I suggest you sit it out.

I also find it interesting that you paint a world picture that is so biased that it's not even real. First off, it's not "MOUNTAINS of MUSLIMS" being killed everyday. If you do ANY looking at all, it's US soldiers getting killed every day. We lose anywhere from 3 to 53 people per day on avg due to the war effort. Now tell me that that's an acceptable solution. You see what kind of response violence gets for you?

As for my post, I was merely pointing out what I thought was another way, and I still think that it might work. But, with people like you so dead set on violence as the only cure to the evil, I fear that I may never see anything happen. This narrow-mindedness and defeatist attitude was what I was talking about in that last post. And I read the post you sent me to, and it's fine that you think that way, but until you can give me some solid facts as to the nature of this "infection", then I suggest you do some more research and stop touting things as facts when you have no evidence to support them. Those aren't facts; they're opinions.

Also, I want to point out that I wasn't saying anything about any war. You made this about a war. I'm merely trying to provide a simple, peaceful solution to try and PREVENT a war. To me, it sounds like you're the one trying to foment discontent within the American ranks to incite war.

Now, back on topic:

I believe that it's possible for a peaceful solution to happen because I think the people's minds are still open enough that reason can get through. The proof of that is that this site exists for us to speak on these things about. To organize anything on this grand a scale is a monumental task, don't get me wrong, but it CAN be done. Whether or not anyone believes that I guess is the big question that needs to be posed. I know of one that doesn't, but I bet there's about 250 million others that do.

Here's to hoping for the best,

TheBorg

[edit on 16-4-2006 by TheBorg]

It's just a matter of, when you don't care what is happening to 'them' for a long enough time, then you don't care what happens to YOU.

And obviously you don't .

If it doesn't set a FIRE in you MIND that there are TWO chemicals in your FOOD that have either stolen your minds or your instinctual desire to protect your own bodies, compliments of the WHITE HOUSE,
then they have you all SCREWED!

I just hope somebody comes along that isn't still too scared to ASK questions about the contents of his family's FOOD, who isn't intimidated by the consequences of LOCKING somebody down for this.

"No doubts, this is an evil world. However, I find it troubling that every post you've made has been so emotionally charged and loaded with rhetoric that it's almost funny. I think that maybe you've been into this subject a bit too long, and need a long holiday. If you cannot manage your behaviour during a debate, then I suggest you sit it out. "

Yeah, don't get upset about not having a clue of how to save YOUR ass now. I am not here to debate or negotiate with an approach to obtaining your own human rights with you. Nobody else has even considered the potential or benefit that could come out of doing this.... it's too hard to TRY.

"If you do ANY looking at all, it's US soldiers getting killed every day. We lose anywhere from 3 to 53 people per day on avg due to the war effort. Now tell me that that's an acceptable solution. You see what kind of response violence gets for you? "

They wouldn't still be getting killed if Americans didn't accept a war to continue against an 'enemy' for attacking this nation on 9/11. I don't remember seeing anybody launching sea to land missles on a city of sleeping soldiers, and eventho' everybody knows the war is b.s., you still don't have a problem with the death of the people that the US soldiers went over there to "take down", for attacking you, right? Shame on those people for not bowing down or liking the American/Israel alliance that is doing it dog fashioned to your food.

"but until you can give me some solid facts as to the nature of this "infection", then I suggest you do some more research and stop touting things as facts when you have no evidence to support them "

FACT
If I gave you the security code to the vault inside a bank located in the middle of the desert , you wouldn't get off your ass and go over there to kick the front door down.
How many people need to write an Aspartame is KILLING People book?
www.dorway.com...
Google "aspartame formaldehyde" if you need more info on this.
And the most important information on this page is in the dates of the last time anybody even tried to get this drug out of the milk. This one has a "freak amino acid" in it and apparently science is interested in finding out the long term effects of THAT on whoever they want because nobody can label the chemical as 'toxic' eventho' it's been banned all the way around the world. "They" said it does your body good now, and maybe another freak amino acid American will be joining the rest of the gang in the White House very soon also.

"If people would all just stand up and say they've had enough, those in power will listen, because without us, they're nothing"

If if were a skiff we could all go for a of boatride. The people who lost loved one in 9/11 that cannot accept what they have been told by this government, has not organized a protest on the front lawn to demand JUSTICE by someone in the administration. Nobody has even ACKNOWLEDGED OUR EXISTENCE concerning the video evidence and the first hand claims from the fire-fighters that heard "synchronized explosions" as the towers came down.
Hopefully something more 'unsettling' doesn't have to happen to your own people before 'the people' feel a strong enough URGE for some truth.
George Bush Jr. and Sr. are about as significant as J.R. Ewing to your future the rest of the way from here on out. If you think anything that man will speak about in public will help to make things "clearer" in this country,,,
Cheech & Chong are on the way to rescue you now.

" You made this about a war. I'm merely trying to provide a simple, peaceful solution to try and PREVENT a war. To me, it sounds like you're the one trying to foment discontent within the American ranks to incite war. "

I sent a direct threatening letter to the D.O.D. titled "AMERICANS ARE UNDER ATTACK!!" and everything else the threat included.

You want to prevent a WAR because you won't acknowledge who has your ass SCREWED to the wall right NOW. For some reason none of this information bothers you people, maybe it's because the influence from the source of the poisoning is so tremendous so I'm trying to remain polite about it.
Would it help if I reached through this monitor wrapped my hand around your throat pulled you face right up against this monitor and Growled
"ARE YOU AT WAR NOW?"

Now, back on topic:

You are NOT fighting back because it's still not within your ability to consider EVERY ONE , IF by some miracle you were able to make a change to how the USDA is refusing a meatpacker his rights to test for MAD-COW !!!

IF this administration was Questioned your fantasy of experiencing a 'peaceful solution' would haunt you all the way into the ground. IF they told the truth about ANY aspect of the USG that has FAILED to protect our food, bodies, minds, environment, MORALS, or future it might sound better if for some reason you expect the TRUTH to come out of the horses mouth.

It is going to hurt like hell and just get worse while you procrastinate.
THAT is what making a 'sacrifice' is all about.
The plans that you are thinking and sharing here do not apply to Saving Your Own LIVES ! THIS is how you LOST them.
If you insist on doing something "peacefully", I would get others involved in the "Sec of Defense launched a FORMALDEHYDE attack on YOUR minds" issue. It was effective, you can't move on this.

Unless you need more facts to keep you sedated in that PEACE filled state of mind.
I understand there is a line that can't be crossed where you could actually discuss who what when or where to FIGHT for your LIFE online. So there really is nothing else to discuss in this thread. Because if you don't see a reason to fight or an enemy to escape from, you are NOT fighting because you are GLUEd to a computer looking for peacefull discussions to share those great ideas with others who are also GLUEd to a system that likes SCREWING with your FOOD.

"America will still be America even if we must change the government because a nation is made up of it's people, not it's politicians. "

If nobody finds a group of PEOPLE to demand some ANSWERS, it will be called "UP#CreekWithoutAPaddle" by everybody in the world very very soon.

DEMAND Answers . Not a fight.

I fail to understand where you come off thinking that the only way to solve the situation is through the use of violence and force.

Originally posted by Contentious
It's just a matter of, when you don't care what is happening to 'them' for a long enough time, then you don't care what happens to YOU.

And obviously you don't .

WRONG!! First off, I don't quite understand just what you're trying to say here, but it seems like you're suggesting that I don't care about myself. Well I do. And if some study 30 years ago hasn't killed me yet, it's not going to, so knock this crap off, and get back on topic!!

If it doesn't set a FIRE in you MIND that there are TWO chemicals in your FOOD that have either stolen your minds or your instinctual desire to protect your own bodies, compliments of the WHITE HOUSE,
then they have you all SCREWED!

I just hope somebody comes along that isn't still too scared to ASK questions about the contents of his family's FOOD, who isn't intimidated by the consequences of LOCKING somebody down for this.

Again, read my above statement. You're obviously infatuated with this notion that somehow, the government has poisoned us using these low level doses of chemicals. Umm, I don't know if you know this, but the air you breathe is much more harmful to you than anything mentioned in that article is. You have a better chance of dying in a plane crash caused by a lighting strike caused by a hijacker than by the stuff posted in this article you use as evidence.

Originally posted by Contentious, while Quoting TheBorg
"No doubts, this is an evil world. However, I find it troubling that every post you've made has been so emotionally charged and loaded with rhetoric that it's almost funny. I think that maybe you've been into this subject a bit too long, and need a long holiday. If you cannot manage your behaviour during a debate, then I suggest you sit it out. "

Yeah, don't get upset about not having a clue of how to save YOUR ass now. I am not here to debate or negotiate with an approach to obtaining your own human rights with you. Nobody else has even considered the potential or benefit that could come out of doing this.... it's too hard to TRY.

Then I suggest you step out of this debate, since that's what this debate is about. People have become complacent because of Commercialism, and the lack of a say in what gets done politically. Not by some chemical concoction created by the government. Even if what you purported were true, we would have more evidence of this by now. And we don't. So enough is enough. Either calm yourself down, or I'll ask a MOD to step in. This is supposed to be a thread debating issues, not fighting over them. Contain yourself, or SIT DOWN!!

Originally posted by TheBorg, but quoted by Contentious
"If you do ANY looking at all, it's US soldiers getting killed every day. We lose anywhere from 3 to 53 people per day on avg due to the war effort. Now tell me that that's an acceptable solution. You see what kind of response violence gets for you? "

They wouldn't still be getting killed if Americans didn't accept a war to continue against an 'enemy' for attacking this nation on 9/11. I don't remember seeing anybody launching sea to land missles on a city of sleeping soldiers, and eventho' everybody knows the war is b.s., you still don't have a problem with the death of the people that the US soldiers went over there to "take down", for attacking you, right? Shame on those people for not bowing down or liking the American/Israel alliance that is doing it dog fashioned to your food.

There's no doubt about it, I don't like the Iraq war anymore than anyone else in this country does, but that's got nothing to do with this debate either. Just to entertain the idea though, we attacked Afghanistan because they housed members of a terrorist organization that struck us and killed 3000 people from ALL walks of life. We responded in kind, and no, for your information, I don't sleep any worse for it. That's what one gets for attacking a sleeping grizzly bear. But as for the Iraqi War, no I don't think we should be there. In that at least, we're in agreement.

Originally posted by TheBorg, but quoted by Contentious
"but until you can give me some solid facts as to the nature of this "infection", then I suggest you do some more research and stop touting things as facts when you have no evidence to support them "

FACT
If I gave you the security code to the vault inside a bank located in the middle of the desert , you wouldn't get off your ass and go over there to kick the front door down.
How many people need to write an Aspartame is KILLING People book?
www.dorway.com...
Google "aspartame formaldehyde" if you need more info on this.
And the most important information on this page is in the dates of the last time anybody even tried to get this drug out of the milk. This one has a "freak amino acid" in it and apparently science is interested in finding out the long term effects of THAT on whoever they want because nobody can label the chemical as 'toxic' eventho' it's been banned all the way around the world. "They" said it does your body good now, and maybe another freak amino acid American will be joining the rest of the gang in the White House very soon also.

Ok, as I stated earlier, if that was going to kill me, it would have already. I hope you'll stop trying to derail this debate by using these diversionary tactics. It almost makes me think you were sent here intentionally to start a flame war, in the hopes of interfering with the constructive debate. I won't tolerate that, and neither should anyone else.

Originally posted by TheBorg, but quoted by Contentious
"If people would all just stand up and say they've had enough, those in power will listen, because without us, they're nothing"

If if were a skiff we could all go for a of boatride. The people who lost loved one in 9/11 that cannot accept what they have been told by this government, has not organized a protest on the front lawn to demand JUSTICE by someone in the administration. Nobody has even ACKNOWLEDGED OUR EXISTENCE concerning the video evidence and the first hand claims from the fire-fighters that heard "synchronized explosions" as the towers came down.
Hopefully something more 'unsettling' doesn't have to happen to your own people before 'the people' feel a strong enough URGE for some truth.
George Bush Jr. and Sr. are about as significant as J.R. Ewing to your future the rest of the way from here on out. If you think anything that man will speak about in public will help to make things "clearer" in this country,,,
Cheech & Chong are on the way to rescue you now.

Wow, another thing we agree on. Starting to improve.

Originally posted by TheBorg, but quoted by Contentious
" You made this about a war. I'm merely trying to provide a simple, peaceful solution to try and PREVENT a war. To me, it sounds like you're the one trying to foment discontent within the American ranks to incite war. "

I sent a direct threatening letter to the D.O.D. titled "AMERICANS ARE UNDER ATTACK!!" and everything else the threat included.

You want to prevent a WAR because you won't acknowledge who has your ass SCREWED to the wall right NOW. For some reason none of this information bothers you people, maybe it's because the influence from the source of the poisoning is so tremendous so I'm trying to remain polite about it.
Would it help if I reached through this monitor wrapped my hand around your throat pulled you face right up against this monitor and Growled
"ARE YOU AT WAR NOW?"

There you go again with those brash threats. If I didn't know any better, I'd suspect you of being a plant. I really hope, for your sake that you didn't send any threats to the DOD. That would be incredibly stupid.

And listen here, I'm trying to prevent a war because I don't want people to die. And so long as you're going to verbally assault me, and threaten me with violence, I might want to reassure you that if you do this again, I will refer a MOD to you. Understood?

Originally posted by Contentious
Now, back on topic:

You are NOT fighting back because it's still not within your ability to consider EVERY ONE , IF by some miracle you were able to make a change to how the USDA is refusing a meatpacker his rights to test for MAD-COW !!!

IF this administration was Questioned your fantasy of experiencing a 'peaceful solution' would haunt you all the way into the ground. IF they told the truth about ANY aspect of the USG that has FAILED to protect our food, bodies, minds, environment, MORALS, or future it might sound better if for some reason you expect the TRUTH to come out of the horses mouth.

It is going to hurt like hell and just get worse while you procrastinate.
THAT is what making a 'sacrifice' is all about.
The plans that you are thinking and sharing here do not apply to Saving Your Own LIVES ! THIS is how you LOST them.
If you insist on doing something "peacefully", I would get others involved in the "Sec of Defense launched a FORMALDEHYDE attack on YOUR minds" issue. It was effective, you can't move on this.

When did that ever work, pray tell? I don't recall ANY successful use of that tactic. If there's not one, then again, stay on topic!!

Originally posted by Contentious
Unless you need more facts to keep you sedated in that PEACE filled state of mind.
I understand there is a line that can't be crossed where you could actually discuss who what when or where to FIGHT for your LIFE online. So there really is nothing else to discuss in this thread. Because if you don't see a reason to fight or an enemy to escape from, you are NOT fighting because you are GLUEd to a computer looking for peacefull discussions to share those great ideas with others who are also GLUEd to a system that likes SCREWING with your FOOD.

I'll speak about what I want, where I want, when I want, and no one will tell me any different. Got it??

Originally posted by Contentious
"America will still be America even if we must change the government because a nation is made up of it's people, not it's politicians. "

If nobody finds a group of PEOPLE to demand some ANSWERS, it will be called "UP#CreekWithoutAPaddle" by everybody in the world very very soon.

DEMAND Answers . Not a fight.

Here you confuse me. You seem to back up on everything you've been saying for the WHOLE post. You say to demand answers and not a fight? Did I miss something here? I fail to see how you went from being all "git yer gun, we're goin people huntin'" to 'Not a fight.' That's utterly amazing to me.

I'm not sure you understand the point to this discussion. This discussion was intended to find out what might be causing all of us to be complacent. Now, the chemical thing had me suspicious for a little bit, but upon seeing that the studies were done almost 30 years ago, I'm quite convinced that nothing's wrong. Find something more recently dated, and you'll have my attention.

Now, for a few pointers on proper debating etiquette.

Don't get angry so quickly. That gives your argument a bad light, and no one takes you seriously.

Spelling and grammar. Sometimes, spelling errors occur, but that's why you should look them over again before posting.

Bad language. This will get you banned in a hurry. Believe me, I was banned once.

Treat others with respect. We're all like you in one way or another, otherwise we wouldn't be here. Stop treating us like subordinates. We're your equals. As soon as you think otherwise, you're no better than the enemy with which we fight.

And lastly, Deny Ignorance. We're all human, and we all make mistakes. Just don't be ignorant about the thoughts you have. If you have something worthwhile to contribute, then contribute by all means, but do so in a proper, concise manner, unlike this behemoth of a post.

May your journeys here on ATS be more fruitful from here on out. I wish you well Contentious.

TheBorg

P.S. MODs, sorry for the lengthy reply. I had to break it all up to make my points clear and as concise as possible. Sorry it took up so much room. I wish there was a way to paraphrase quotes.

"I fail to understand where you come off thinking that the only way to solve the situation is through the use of violence and force. ""

Because you are starting to understand 'this' would be the fight of and for you LIFE. If getting the answers to the questions WE have concerning the influence MAD-Science has played in ALL of our lives, involves a fight.... then you might have a chance of defending yourselves from those who would 'aggressively' defend the TRUTH that 'they' are intentionally HITTING US with ANY 'thing' they choose!

"WRONG!! First off, I don't quite understand just what you're trying to say here, but it seems like you're suggesting that I don't care about myself. Well I do. And if some study 30 years ago hasn't killed me yet, it's not going to, so knock this crap off, and get back on topic!! "

Would you like to keep discussing how you could 'fight' for something else, while this source of "superpower" science has already done WHO KNOWS what to you already?
I am amazed that this woman is still alive!

""Dr Suzanne Wuerthele, US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) toxicologist, "This technology is being promoted, in the face of concerns by respectable scientists and in the face of data to the contrary, by the very agencies which are supposed to be protecting human health and the environment. The bottom line in my view is that we are confronted with the most powerful technology the world has ever known, and it is being rapidly deployed with almost no thought whatsoever to its consequences."- ""

The WHITE HOUSE

"EPA carries out a significant portion of its mission through the Operating Program, which includes its core responsibilities for regulatory development, enforcement, research, and program grants to states."
"The program guarantees results, by eliminating costly regulation, litigation, inspection, and enforcement actions. As a result, industry compliance has been nearly 100 percent."

The EPA is "officially" worthless.

NIEHS

Children who live in polluted communities are five times more likely to have clinically low lung function -less than 80 percent of the lung function expected for their age.

"You have a better chance of dying in a plane crash caused by a lighting strike caused by a hijacker than by the stuff posted in this article you use as evidence. "

NIEHS

"Among U.S. residents, 1 in 2 men and 1 in 3 women will develop cancer at some point in their lifetimes. Research shows that environmental factors trigger diseases like cancer, especially when someone has a family history,"

WE are all ONE Family.

The FDA has failed to investigate the effects of long-term feeding of IGF- 1 and rBGH-milk on growth, or on more sensitive sub-cellular effects, in infant rats or infants of any other species.

"They" are experimenting on YOU.

**"We are conducting a vast toxicological experiment, and we are using our children as the experimental animals." -- Dr. Philip Landrigan, Chairman, Preventive Medicine, Mt. Sinai School of Medicine

**"With chemicals, it's shoot first and ask questions later." -- Al Meyerhoff, former attorney for the Natural Resources Defense Council

In 1967", Monsanto enters into a joint venture with IG_Farben", the key supplier of poison gas to the Nazi racial extermination program.-

“A Monsanto official told the New York Times that the corporation should not have to take responsibility for the safety of its food products. "Monsanto should not have to vouchsafe the safety of biotech food," said Phil Angell, Monsanto's director of corporate communications.
"Our interest is in selling as much of it as possible. Assuring its safety is the FDA's job."

The Codex Alimentarius Commission, the U.N. Food Safety Agency representing 101 nations worldwide, has ruled unanimously in favor of the 1993 European moratorium on Monsanto's genetically engineered hormonal milk (rBGH).

The U.S. Food and DRUG Administrators

The FDA says it is now in a listening mode. If its ears are truly opened, then its conscience should have been touched. What is at stake is the safety of the nation's and ultimately the world's food supply.
What is troubling is that the government tries to deny that any genetically engineered food has caused harm. It is just running away from reality.
Labeling and long-term safety testing are only two steps in that process and we should not go another day without them. It is unfair, unsafe and unwise. As the evidence continues to come out, it is no longer rhetorical to ask what the industry is trying to hide by not labeling these foods, and why the insurance companies will not touch bioengineered food.
As mentioned on the earlier panel, rBGH has been rejected in every major industrialized nation. In fact, a recent report by Health Canada indicates that the FDA misreported the findings of Monsanto's ninety-day rat feeding study. Even the heavily corporate-influenced Kodak's alimentary commission has refused to certify the safety of rBGH despite heavy pressure from the United States. Yet, we are forced to eat and drink products from cows injected with rBGH in secret because of prohibitive labeling requirements written for the FDA by a Monsanto employee.
There are several actions that need to be taken that are out of the FDA's hands, including ratification of the conventional and biological diversity for which it is shameful that the United States has not signed.
The greatest controversy in FDA history was the approval process for Monsanto's genetically engineered bovine growth hormone. We shouldn't be here today. We should not be in this room, and I shouldn't be here because in 1994 Congress had a Bill that was going to require mandatory labeling of all foods that were influenced by genetic engineering.

When Monsanto made their genetically engineered bovine growth hormone, they noticed that laboratory animals were getting cancer, and they noticed that cows were getting mastitis, ulcers on their udders; they were putting more pus and bacteria into the milk. In 1958 Robert Delaney, a Congressman from New York, put in a Delaney Amendment. It was named after him. The Delaney Amendment stated that if a food additive caused cancer it was not to be approved -- pretty good law, right?
Well, Monsanto got their attorney, Michael Taylor from the firm of King and Spaulding -- by the way, when they started in 1979 they groomed their attorney now in the Supreme Court, Clarence Thomas, the same law firm -- Monsanto's attorney, Michael Taylor wrote and minimized the Delaney Amendment, an interpretation of the Delaney Amendment which became the new protocol, the new standard operating procedure at FDA. They minimized cancer. Michael Taylor was hired by the Food and Drug Administration and became the second most powerful man there, Monsanto's attorney. He wrote the standard operating procedures. In other words, we see cancer; ignore it.
Margaret Miller, Susan Sechen, Monsanto's scientists, were hired by the FDA to review Monsanto's own research. Margaret Miller knew cows were getting mastitis. The first week at the FDA, December 3, 1989, she was given broad power -- and here is an effect of genetic engineering nobody has considered -- she knew cows were getting sick from the genetically engineered hormone; she changed the amount of antibiotics that farmers could have in their milk. She increased it by 100 times.
Jerome Moore's paper said “if there is a middle of the chain protein change there could be Alzheimer's, or sickle cell anemia, or diabetes. Monsanto, four months after the hormone was approved, one of their scientists, Bernard Violand, published, in the July 3, 1994 issue of the journal Protein Science evidence that Monsanto made a mistake. Oops! Monsanto created a freak amino acid!
It seems to me that we are embarking on a dangerous path from which we cannot return and this government is making a grave error in judgment by not exercising more prudence.
Given the history of repeated assurances by the government and corporations and a long list of technologies such as pesticides, antibiotics or RbGH that were all declared safe based on research and then to find out, a few years later, that crucial evidence was not evaluated properly or even suppressed and now are shown to be unsafe.
I have come to have little or no confidence in the government's ability to exercise sound judgment in these matters on its own. The bottom line is that we don't need genetic engineering. This path primarily benefits those who are reaping the profits.
I do not appreciate being treated as a guinea pig. I believe genetic engineering violates nature and I am deeply concerned that we have no way of cleaning up any unintended environmental catastrophes.

"Even if what you purported were true, we would have more evidence of this by now. And we don't. So enough is enough. Either calm yourself down, or I'll ask a MOD to step in. This is supposed to be a thread debating issues, not fighting over them. Contain yourself, or SIT DOWN!! "

You wanna fight with ME ?
This is supposed to be a thread of how to OVERCOME your fears.

"There you go again with those brash threats. If I didn't know any better, I'd suspect you of being a plant. I really hope, for your sake that you didn't send any threats to the DOD. That would be incredibly stupid. "

I'm stupid ? What are they going to do, sit there and LOOK at me?
I'm not one of the 'suspects', but your getting close with those PLANT suspicions. I really hope for your sake, that you won't be scared to acknowledge the source that is protecting the THINGS that are 'possibly' working only to destroy US.

What else could I possibly do, FOR you ?

Originally posted by Long Lance
If these elitists are as powerful and influential as they've displayed to be, then it's only logical to at least contemplate if Earth's current problems are the deliberate result of long term planning, with all that entails.

I think the scientist who consider themselves to be among the 'smartest' have very few things they fear that they don't have the power to manipulate. One of them is a person of 'ignorance' that would try to save so many people even after they understood how many contaminants their minds have been exposed to. I think that's why they just assumed they could get away with doing anything they wanted with people, regardless of the consequences... because they knew the popular concept of "God" couldn't possibly exist.

I started a thread last week trying to figure out what they could have possibly wanted out of all the diseases and war they have intentionally motivated. If anybody's interested in trying to prevent their next experiment from being launched into the system, your opinion is needed.

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