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Originally posted by Odium
People seem to over-look which groups she works with, what bills she has tried to place into power. The whole 9/11 view she holds - this can be used as a fantastic way to discredit her and after all this is meant to be a conspiracy website.
Originally posted by Saphronia
But, she can be dismissed no matter how logically she speaks--the media has their questions to corner her and the spin is spun...she's black, period, and that's enough to discredit her. Ask a few well placed questions and it all becomes about being black and in america you can't say something happened to you because you are black even if it did!!!
I like her. I've seen and read her speeches. She's being attacked because she's standing up for the truth. She's not some wild woman punching out cops--she's a very intelligent and driven American.
originally posted by Odium
The coverage this is getting is drastically taking up time and space in the media, while other things such as Scooter, Iraq, 9/11 Trial, all get down-played.
Originally posted by jsobecky
How can you condone the fact that she struck an officer?
Originally posted by jsobecky
How can you condone all the time she takes away from serving her constituency to parade in front of cameras?
Originally posted by Odium
Where do I say it is fine to strike an officer?
People are assuming she is the victim, because this person is a security guard. That logic is flawed, no evidence by either party has been given other than the routine she has done, every day for years.
Originally posted by jsobecky
Until you defend the officer as staunchly as you defend Ms. McKinney, your words will continue to appear biased and apologetic for her. You are so one-sided that you refuse to look at the officer's position.
Originally posted by Odium
That's a level of false logic, I never expected to come from you. If I am blind to his view-point, you are hers. So by your own admission you're also in the wrong.
The only thing I have done is pointed out the alternative side, which nobody else was. Instead of evaluating it, you do the age old personnal attacks by calling me "biased" for her.
]Why did he let her pass and then follow her? Why did he call out to her? Why did he grab her? Why is it being reported passes are only meant to be worn? He didn't do his job properly, because if they're forced to wear them she should have never got passed him.
Sorry, but a tap on the chest with a phone isn't a major crime like people are trying to make out. It's barely assault.
Source: Linked above
This incident happened in the Longworth House Office Building, where members of Congress are not required to pass through metal detectors. The officer purportedly neither recognized Rep. McKinney nor saw her credentials, then tried to catch up with her from behind calling out “Ma’am, Ma’am.” When he touched her arm, she turned and “allegedly hit him,” reported The Hill newspaper, “before identifying herself as a member of Congress.”
Originally quoted by Flyer's Fan
She had no right to complain. SHE is the one who didn't follow the
rules. SHE is the one that 'forgets' her ID. Others who forget their
ID have no problem walking through a metal detector. It's no big
deal. She could have done it. AND as far as her complaining about
'not being recognized' .. facial recognition isn't the only criteria for
entrance to the Capitol without going through the metal detectors.
ID is required. It's the law. She shouldn't be above the law simply
because she's a black woman.
Originally quoted by Flyer's Fan
Where did you see 'all black women are nutz'?? No where. This is
about McKinney alone. That is obvious.
Originally quoted by Flyer's Flan
She claims she was grabbed inappropriately. However, when questioned
on TV by reporters she refuses to say exactly how she was so
' inappropriately' grabbed. The Capitol security guard said that when
she refused his order to stop and come back to go through the metal
detectors that he grabbed her arm to stop her. That's minimal
restraint and has nothing to do with 'buttocks' as you brought up.
How would you feel if some officer grabbed you inappropriately(No one ever said how he grabbed her.)? Let's say the cop, feeling his oats, grabbed your buttocks while trying to catch you. He's thinking, "You're no better than me. How dare you walk past me thinking that you're 'uppity'. I'm going to teach you a lesson."(After all, who knows what he was thinking?) Would your "fight or flight" instincts take over? Would you swing around to hit him? Or would you just smile, and say, "Thank you, may I have another?"
Originally posted by Flyer's Fan
She's not 'one little african-american woman'. She's a member of congress
who did not follow security rules in our nation's Capitol building. She is
a member of congress who struck a Capitol security guard for no good
reason. What other experiences she may or may not have had with
other law enforcement are not relevant. Her 'color experience' is not
relevant either.
Originally quoted by Flyer's Fan
WE THE PEOPLE deserve to have members of congress who will follow
the security rules that are in place. WE THE PEOPLE deserve to have
our security officers treated with dignity and to be obeyed. If the
TV is treating Ms. McKinney like a laughing stock, she has only herself
to blame.
Reliable Source
House Majority Leader Tom "The Hammer" DeLay is a tobacco-chewing, meat-eating Texas Republican who likes to drink red wine and smoke cigars.We're told that during a recent dinner with about 30 political supporters at a downtown Washington steak house, DeLay walked out on his guests before dessert when the manager told him he could eat and drink but not puff.
The dinner was organized by the leader's daughter and campaign manager, Danielle DeLay Ferro, as a fundraiser for Armpac, Delay's political action committee, at Ruth's Chris Steak House on Ninth Street NW. But because the restaurant leases space in a building owned by a federal agency -- in this case, the Smithsonian Institution -- the law forbids smoking. The prohibition is posted on numerous signs inside and outside the restaurant. But after the main course, DeLay went into "hammer" mode, trying to compel manager Tom Khandker to flout federal regulations and lift the ban. We hear the conversation went something like this:
Khandker: "I'm sorry, sir, but this is a federal building, and it's against the law of the federal government."
DeLay: "I am the federal government."
Wikipedia.org
Controversy from the MZM Scandal
In 2005 and 2006, Harris faced political controversy when a major corporate campaign donor, defense contractor MZM, Inc., was implicated in a bribery scandal that resulted in the criminal conviction and resignation of California congressman Randy "Duke" Cunningham and conviction of MZM founder, Mitchell Wade. Wade bundled together contributions from employees of MZM, and reimbursed those employees for their contributions. (Also see Riscorp above). [20].
Harris has maintained she had no personal knowledge that her campaign was given illegal contributions. For its part, Wade admitted that the donations to the Harris campaign were illegal and were part of an attempt to influence her to MZM's benefit. [21]. Documents filed with Wade's plea say that he took Harris to dinner early in 2005, where they discussed the possibility of another fundraiser and the possibility of getting funding for a Navy counterintelligence program in the member's district. [22].
After meeting with Wade, Harris sent a letter on April 26, 2005, to defense appropriations subcommittee Chairman C.W. Bill Young, in which Harris sought $10 million for a Navy project backed by Wade. [23]. In the letter, Harris emphasized the importance of the project, asking that it be added to her list of five priorities and identifying it as her new No. 3. (Harris has released the April 26 letter, but neither she nor Young would turn over the standard request form used for the proposal.) [24]
Mona Tate Yost, an aide to Harris, left to work for MZM during the time Wade was pressing Harris to secure federal funding (April or May of 2005). [25]
Notwithstanding these controversies, Harris has developed a reputation for prompt constituent service, due perhaps to her insistence on a close liaison between her district and Washington offices.
Originally posted by Saphronia
This incident is just perfect timing for many members of the Government, especailly since this woman has time and time again made speeches about the corruption within the Bush Administration. The coverage this is getting is drastically taking up time and space in the media, while other things such as Scooter, Iraq, 9/11 Trial, all get down-played.
Originally posted by Saphronia
Toelint, I din post that...another member did but I can't be bothered to find out who posted it...twasn't me doh.
She's being railroaded by the right...I saw Juan "the pawn" Williams on Fox news doing his "I'ma blackman and I'm offended too" routine. He pretends like racial profiling doesn't exist. Then this fool said, that if a cop snatched him up he'd curl up in the fetal position cause he's a blackman and he knows what's up. Come on! Which is it Juan? racial profiling doesn't exist or do black people have a reason to be a lil petrified of the police? I'm law abiding and I got horror stories and I'm sure "the pawn" has a few too.
Now that Ms. McKinney has apologized (which I don't think she should've) the issues is more or less closed (for me, not the right of course, they've got more character assassination to do.)
Originally posted by bubbabuddha
She has gone on open record asking for the families of 911 sufferers the right to bring a claim and find out the facts, she has also gone on record asking Donald Rumsfeld frankly about over a trillion dollars in vanished defense expenditure capital. These two facts must be present in any dialogue of her handling by capitol police, regardless of how one views her demeanor; one must understand the demeanor of a capitol police officer that fails to be on familiar terms with the only person on record stating such facts as she has done. A black woman in the house should be pretty hard to miss, in the midst of the many white males. To pay no attention to these details in essence ignores the surroundings in which this affair has taken place. Many on the right have called her a “black hooker”, but the beloved term is to call her the “racist”.