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posted on Apr, 5 2006 @ 09:30 PM
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At the moment I see Satan on the ground, and I believe that the everlasting badass is in the form of a man, and I'm the only one left to save him for all eternity, why shouldn't I believe that I am God incarnate? I can allow him to live and continue to oppose me, or kill him and end the opposition.

Lets give the story another look.

God and Satan were in an everlasting battle for the fate of mankind.

They were in the form of man because their true selves would surely destroy the universe.

As they are turned to man, they forget their godhood and live life as men, just s Jesus did.

All being pre-planned by fate, they grow and pick a spot in the middle of nowhere, as to ensure a fair fight among the deities.

God almighty used his strength to batter Satan into submission.

You are walking on a dirt path in the middle of nowhere.

You see a man lying on the ground.

The man is wounded and bloodied.

The man cries out to you, "Please, help me!


you step closer and ask him again knowing his true self. The name he was given by you.

Lucifer.

You approach the man, concerned by his condition and feeling compassion towards him.

Again the man cries out, "I am dying! I am dying! Please help me!"

You ask the man "what is your name?"

The man replies, "Satan."

And he is who he says he is.

What would you do?


?????????



[edit on 5-4-2006 by Rasobasi420]




posted on Apr, 5 2006 @ 09:36 PM
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At the moment I see Satan on the ground, and I believe that the everlasting badass is in the form of a man, and I'm the only one left to save him for all eternity, why shouldn't I believe that I am God incarnate? I can allow him to live and continue to oppose me, or kill him and end the opposition.


Interesting twist to the story. Too bad that's not how it's depicted in either the original post nor the biblical text's.

If you really want to believe your God incarnate (using your new twist I assume?); Well ... idk how to answer to that. Yet.



posted on Apr, 5 2006 @ 09:44 PM
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I thought the situation was lacking context. Just as easily as anyone could add their own context, I added my own.And it still uses everything pointed out in the original piece.

Who knows when you're talking about deities.



posted on Apr, 5 2006 @ 09:44 PM
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Hi
I think I got it, first off Satan is a fallen angel, not a man - therefore he cannot die. and surely can't be saved lol So neither would I do - because Satan is a liar lol

Did I get it right? I'm usually pretty good with these kind of puzzles.



posted on Apr, 5 2006 @ 09:51 PM
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Originally posted by Elsenorpompom
Satan was arrogant and God struck him down the way a parent strikes down a rebellious teenager.


So, parents are suppose to turn the world against their arrogant and rebellious teenager? After that is done they should send them to Hell?

I will never understand why people will follow a God that continues to question their loyality.



posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 01:03 AM
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Originally posted by Prot0n


Easy buddy. Read it again.


Read it and understood it,i can see you dont.I think this quote may be a bit similar to your particular problem Proton.


25At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. 26Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.
27"All things have been committed to me by my Father. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

Jesus was talking about the high priests of the time that refused to believe,what i am saying is you cannot understand unless you submit to God with the heart of a child and receive Him.Read and study as much as you like,its not where your going to find your personal proof.Until then God will block those who think they are wise and learned from understanding and more so experiencing the Word.


So the bible says. But, as I asked for, what specifically has Satan done in the bible? Not how he's a liar or how he works. What specific actions has Satan done.

If you cant see the answer to your question was answered,who`s fault is that?


Just read the bible, cover to cover.


Done that after i found God,i did`nt read the Bible cover to cover and then found Him because of it.So it does`nt bother me what parts of the Bible i may struggle with,i already have my personal proof He exists.Which is the only way your going to know for sure.


Had he not created something with the ability of Satan then there would have been no chance for ignorant adam and eve to have been decieved into sin.

Not sure if i can help with your twisted view,but i`ll try again,free will to choose was given,either obey God because He is correct or suffer the consequences of your actions,and even after all of man kinds rebellion and failures God out of LOVE for us ALL still gave His only Son to die so we might have a relationship with God once again.


Really? Hard to have a problem with a fictitious character.

For someone who thinks he`s fictitious you sure are concerned,i`ll also give a warning, easy there buddy.


Matthew 21:44
He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed."

I would like you to point out any where you have cared for a stranger because not only do you care for them in this life but their eternal life.
Then compare yourself to those that do.Instead you hinder or obstruct them.Simply because you refuse to believe in God.


If Jesus is god in the flesh, the GOD didn't die for our sins. As you said, the spirit is eternal. So who is Jesus? A regular man like you and me, or was he really god in the flesh?

Both,just a man like you and me,God came in the flesh like you and me and gave Himself as The example of the Way through His life and teachings to God,His earthly body died on the cross as the ultimate sacrifice,ending the need for sacrifice for sins committed.He died the earthly death then rose.



If I'm not mistaken, the bible also says anyone who denies Jesus is also an Antichrist.

Correct.


1 John 2:22
Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son.



There's alot of us out there I guess.

Correct guess.Here`s one that says the same thing,but less harsh as calling people Antichrists.


Matthew 12:30
"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.

Think of it this way,if there was something or someone hindering you or others from entering a relationship with God which also ensured yourself eternal life of Love and Truth with God rather than eternal torment for not realizing or accepting the Truth when you were told.That force is Antichrist.

What is most important rather than all of this is "what is stopping you"from taking the first step of leap of faith,which is belief.If its simply because you did`nt understand the Bible? thats not a reason to not believe in Gods existance,i believed without it then i read it.

Dont kid yourself when you look around and see good and evil and pretend that those forces did`nt originate from God and Satan.It only matters which your willing to cling to.Understand God=Good and has no want other than the best for you,punishment comes from the person doing it to themselves that God justly applies.Only rightously,better than a normal decent father.


I dont want you to answer, this is your personal choice on what you believe,i can only try and help if you have been mislead into thinking a certain way,but if you have no interest in help rather just argument on something you cannot understand its harder to help.


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posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 01:18 AM
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*Skim Skim Skim Skim*

As a "Satanist" i'd definitly save Father Satan.

Since I believe the Christian religion is based on all the older religions and since the "Characters" of the bible; God and Satan are based on Enlil and Enki, I choose Enki, but would help either one if they were wounded.

Since i'll probably be flamed for believing this...*puts on flame retardant gear*



posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by pRoPhEcY
You are walking on a dirt path in the middle of nowhere.

You see a man lying on the ground.

The man is wounded and bloodied.

The man cries out to you, "Please, help me!

You approach the man, concerned by his condition and feeling compassion towards him.

Again the man cries out, "I am dying! I am dying! Please help me!"

You ask the man "what is your name?"

The man replies, "Satan."

And he is who he says he is.

What would you do?

Save his life or let him die?


well at first I thought what would God do? and then I considered if Satan was asking for help and yet he was dying? He has told you he is dying so how can you help him? Dif if he said, if you dont help me I will die.

I would help him to pass over and tell him if he wants to live he has to come to the light that way he would have eternal life.



Is there an answer to this puzzle anyway? and if /when is it going to be posted.



posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 06:37 AM
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Read it and understood it,i can see you dont.I think this quote may be a bit similar to your particular problem Proton.


Read it again.




Jesus was talking about the high priests of the time that refused to believe,what i am saying is you cannot understand unless you submit to God with the heart of a child and receive Him.Read and study as much as you like,its not where your going to find your personal proof.Until then God will block those who think they are wise and learned from understanding and more so experiencing the Word.


A child is ignorant. Why would your God wish for you to submit to him in ignorance?



If you cant see the answer to your question was answered,who`s fault is that?


You never did answer the question. For example, God comits genocide. Order's the death of many, etc etc etc. What specific ACTIONS has Satan comited? I did say not examples of how he lies didn't I?



Done that after i found God,i did`nt read the Bible cover to cover and then found Him because of it.So it does`nt bother me what parts of the Bible i may struggle with,i already have my personal proof He exists.Which is the only way your going to know for sure.


And people had personal proof that rain dance's make rain or that angry Gods make lightning. They must be right too.




Not sure if i can help with your twisted view,but i`ll try again,free will to choose was given,either obey God because He is correct or suffer the consequences of your actions,and even after all of man kinds rebellion and failures God out of LOVE for us ALL still gave His only Son to die so we might have a relationship with God once again.


If Jesus was God in the flesh, then GOD did not die for our sins.

"either obey God because He is correct or suffer the consequences of your actions"

What actions? Because I don't believe in God, then I must inherently be of evil? Bull.



For someone who thinks he`s fictitious you sure are concerned,i`ll also give a warning, easy there buddy.


Concerned about God? No. You must have misunderstood me, or haven't read previous post's as to why I debate religion.



I would like you to point out any where you have cared for a stranger because not only do you care for them in this life but their eternal life.
Then compare yourself to those that do.Instead you hinder or obstruct them.Simply because you refuse to believe in God.


I've helped out plenty of stranger's, but I'm glad you would assume that I haven't. Just show's me more proof that those of faith automagically assume those without are not that great of people.

For instance, about 6 years ago, maybe 5 ... can't remember exact date's. Me and my wife moved into an apartment, about 6 or 7 months after that, we got some new neighbors down on the first floor (we were living in a small 3rd floor place). All they did for two months straight was yell and scream at each other. Finally, the mother come's up and ask's me and my wife if she could stay with us untill she could get thing's figured out. We hardly even talked to her before, but she was crying and seemed genuinly upset. So we agreed to take her and her 4 kids in.

Two thing's happened because of this.

1) We got SCREWED for it, but not once did we tell them to leave. They pretty much took over the house, but we still assumed that they did need help.

and 2) Her husband was royally pissed. Started comming after me, yelling and swearing claiming me and my wife were USING his wife (use your imagination).

There's been other time's where I've helped people I didn't know from a hole in the wall and got screwed for it. And yet I STILL am willing to help a total stranger, as there have been a few that were really in need of help.

So before you judge me on my lack of belief, read what your God has told you about judging. Don't sit there and write in such a manner as that when you haven't a clue as to what your talking about.



Both,just a man like you and me,God came in the flesh like you and me and gave Himself as The example of the Way through His life and teachings to God,His earthly body died on the cross as the ultimate sacrifice,ending the need for sacrifice for sins committed.He died the earthly death then rose.


Then if it were a sin to kill god in the flesh through Jesus as a MAN, then it would surely be a sin to kill even a demon in the fleash as a MAN. And no, God did not DIE as God can not die. If Jesus is God that is.



Think of it this way,if there was something or someone hindering you or others from entering a relationship with God which also ensured yourself eternal life of Love and Truth with God rather than eternal torment for not realizing or accepting the Truth when you were told.That force is Antichrist.


Then I am the antichrist. It's funny how we see nothing of this mentioned in the OT. All of a sudden you HAVE to go through this guy named Jesus. As if going direct through God isn't enough anymore.



What is most important rather than all of this is "what is stopping you"from taking the first step of leap of faith,which is belief.If its simply because you did`nt understand the Bible? thats not a reason to not believe in Gods existance,i believed without it then i read it.


Lol, not it's not through lack of understanding. If anything, I've learned that most people of faith are the one's who don't understand or don't even know the bible. I made a post awhile ago about how I sat there and argued with one guy who kept calling me an idiot, claiming that a certain verse didn't exist in the bible. He'd say I was a satanist and blah blah blah, even after I'd shown him the verse, where to find it. But no. I was the idiot who had no clue what I was talking about. It's definatley not lack of understanding lol.

Nothing is stopping me from believing in a fictitous diety. I could very well turn and believe as probably 60% of the people I've met do. As a "just in case" believer. If I'm wrong, I goto hell right? So I technically would be better off believing JUST IN CASE I'm wrong. But even that isn't a good reason to believe.



Dont kid yourself when you look around and see good and evil and pretend that those forces did`nt originate from God and Satan.It only matters which your willing to cling to.Understand God=Good and has no want other than the best for you,punishment comes from the person doing it to themselves that God justly applies.Only rightously,better than a normal decent father.


When I look around and I see 'evil'. When I see 'holy wars' I see MAN. I don't have the morality dictated by a book. I have the morality of common sense. I don't have to pawn my action's off to unseen forces. I have to take responsability for my OWN actions.

If me not believing in God make's me inherently evil and bound for hell in God's eye's, despite anything good I do. Then that is not a God I would hold faith in. He should not REQUIRE that I believe in him. The only requirement should be that we ALL lead good decent moral lifestyle's.



I dont want you to answer, this is your personal choice on what you believe,i can only try and help if you have been mislead into thinking a certain way,but if you have no interest in help rather just argument on something you cannot understand its harder to help.


No help needed. Not looking to be 'converted'. But if you'd like to think I'm a person who need's to be saved, well... idk what to think of you. Yet.



posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 07:19 AM
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oh sorry to hear that you need saving lol

so do I!! even though I am secure with my faith with GOD...seems that fades into oblivion because some of the Christian's have JUDGED me not Christian enough!!

hmmm...well ya cant help the way you were born...and if I identify with traditional witchcraft that does not necessarily mean I am EVIL....?!

love the judgement...

ok well, your in my prays...not to ask GOD to save you, but so you can remain strong when faced with people wearing a particular 'hat' and judging you...

cheers



posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 08:56 AM
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Does it really matter what anybodies personal beleifs are?
Everybody has there own veiw, who among us has the right to say whos right and whos wrong.
At the end of the day all that matters is love and forgiveness.
Squabeling with each other over whos right and whos wrong to acheives nothing.
So stop being so proud and kiss and make up.



posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 08:57 AM
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Please STOP the madness! This is a puzzle; it is a play on words. Dumbfounded that some of you guys have not figured this out yet.

The key to this puzzle is the person in the story the "dying man" is just that a man as in a human being who happens to have a strange name "Satan". He is just a person and not a fallen angel or the prince of darkness. --Where did you read that?

Here I will help you figure it out. When you read the puzzle when you come to the word "Satan" change the name; use the Name "John" instead.

You ask the man "what is your name?"

The man replies, "John."

And he is who he says he is.

What would you do?

Save his life or let him die?


Just because he has an outlandish name makes him no less than a man. Check his wallet, or ask him why his parents named him that if you really need to know why he has that name.



posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 10:23 AM
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Originally posted by GrOuNd_ZeRo
*Skim Skim Skim Skim*

As a "Satanist" i'd definitly save Father Satan.

Since I believe the Christian religion is based on all the older religions and since the "Characters" of the bible; God and Satan are based on Enlil and Enki, I choose Enki, but would help either one if they were wounded.

Since i'll probably be flamed for believing this...*puts on flame retardant gear*

o_o madness! are you a spiritual satanist, a follower of maxine dietrich?



posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 10:54 AM
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GameSetMatch,

When did you decide to change your mind?


Since you layed the ground work as it is "satan".

I would turn my back to him and walk away; without hesitation.


Are you now saying you WOULD save his life?



At the end of the day all that matters is love and forgiveness.


ELMO777,

Funny to hear you speak of love and forgivness.


id send him right back to hell with all the other fallen



posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 08:12 PM
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What can I say Proton you made me take a look at myself, and I realized none of the 'im right your wrong' b.s. matters. Its just fuel for the ego.
I'd still leave him though. If its a sin to kill Satan I can always ask God for forgiveness.



posted on Apr, 6 2006 @ 08:23 PM
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LOL Thank God Game you said that, I knew I was right about it being a Puzzle, but after seeing the debates start, I started to wonder lol, their are many of these type of puzzles, in many different catagories!
Did you see my answer up above, and am I right with what I got?
Please let me know! Dieing to find out if I'm correct.
I love puzzles all kinds, especially this type of riddle puzzle I call it.
Kind of Funny how it took off in another direction



posted on Apr, 8 2006 @ 01:53 AM
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I am very glad to see that this post has been interesting to many of you.

For the sake of clarity, it was intended only to provoke.

It is not a puzzle which has a solution of some kind.

Though in hindsight I can see why some would feel certain that it was a puzzle.

I'll post a follow up thread shortly, my thoughtful friends and cousins.



posted on Apr, 8 2006 @ 02:20 AM
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Hmm, that's more of a difficult question than I initially thought, the whole Satan thing does'nt really effect my decisions.


I'd either drain him dry of blood, hoping to become immortal.

Or

Stare down at him boredly, and say "We all die eventually, deal with it.", and walk away.



posted on Apr, 8 2006 @ 09:03 AM
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Originally posted by pRoPhEcY

You ask the man "what is your name?"

The man replies, "Satan."

And he is who he says he is.

What would you do?

Save his life or let him die?



Why would my first course of action be to ask him his name if he is so dearly in need of help? I would ask, what happened to you? Were you attacked by a bear or something??? Do you think it'll come back??? This would be far more crucial information than his identity.

You say he is Satan. How do I know? Did I check his drivers license? Does it say, Satan? Does it give his alias's Lucifer, Prince of Darkness, Beelzebub? Sure there are many people on the road who shouldn't have a drivers license but would the DMV really issue even Satan a DL? Would Satan even need a drivers license? If all I have to go on is his word, then I would assume he is off his rocker and truly in need of help and would render it. If he does something supernatural to prove he is the Satan then I say, help yourself, why would he need my help? Obviously he could do far more for himself than I. Sounds like a ruse to me. I seriously doubt a fallen angel is setting me up to teach me a lesson in morality or humility. Doesn't fit his profile at all.

Why would he say he is Satan if he really needed help? Wouldn't it be expedient to call himself George or Bill? How about changing form and presenting himself as Tommy the lost child? Assistance would be rendered far quicker if that were his real objective.

Again, how do I know he's Satan? Is he the stereotypical figure of Satan? Blood red dude with evil grin, horns protruding from his head and goat legs? If so, then I wouldn't be so arrogant as to fault anyone for going with their gut feeling and walking or running away. I know that's what my gut would be screaming.

Why would the supernatural need assistance from someone as mundane as I? That'd be like me lending Bill Gates some money to buy a car. How do I know when he says help, he doens't mean he needs my body or soul? I assume his is broken. Just exactly what type of help is he requesting? He doesn't say.

I'm not an EMT or a doctor, does Lucifer really want me to dial 911? I wouldn't expect he'd want me to do that. I call 911 and tell them, I'm here with Satan and he needs help, is anyone really going to take me seriously?If all you do is call 911 you are helping some but what you're really doing is passing the buck. If anyone does show up, having learned my response, is he going to tell them he is the Satan also? Then there would be a small army of rescuers wondering if they should help or not. Eventually, if he really is Satan, he would be surrounded by Bishops and maybe even the Pope himself throwing holy water on him or something I would think. Is that what he really wants? He'd be silly to expect anything different.

So I say pretty near any answer would be the correct answer.


[Edited by this member to remove wrongful accusation of original poster as pointed out by other member.]



[edit on 8-4-2006 by notbuynit]



posted on Apr, 8 2006 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by notbuynit
This could be nothing more than a discussion, I wouldn't go so far as to tell people they are wrong and be so insulting to some as you have.

Unless I missed something, the only post pRoPhEcY made in this thread was the opening one, and the one just two posts up from yours. pRoPhEcY hasn't made any comments on the puzzle/question posed in this thread.


I don't get insulting and telling people they are wrong from this:


Originally posted by pRoPhEcY
For the sake of clarity, it was intended only to provoke.

It is not a puzzle which has a solution of some kind.



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