A Puzzle

So if only God can kill Satan and Satan is still around, perhaps God doesn't want Satan to die? Maybe that is why God made sure that we would be in the right place, at the right time.

Hmmm.................

First off only God can kill Satan. You cant kill what is emortal. I already explained this bit. So no sin is commited.

If Jesus is God in the flesh, then GOD did not die for our sins. An IMMORTAL can not die. So you say.

A sin is still being commited. Unless we're now to assume that no sin was commited for killing Jesus, who was supposedly God in the flesh.

If Jesus loves demons so much then why are the driven from the souls of the living in his name?

Casting demonic spirits out of innocent people is alot different then outright killing one in the flesh.

I cant claim to hear God speak to me except through the part of me that knows what is right and wrong.

Doesn't look to me like you have much of a clue as to what is right and wrong in your Gods eyes. You seem to have your OWN concept going on.

How can helping Satan be right.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

When will you understand this verse?

Originally posted by Prot0n
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

When will you understand this verse?

I'm guessing on... never. Elmo has proven to have less of an understanding about his/her religion than an atheist. This is sad, but not my problem.

Originally posted by Prot0n
If Jesus is God in the flesh, then GOD did not die for our sins. An IMMORTAL can not die. So you say.

The son died for our sins not the father

Mat 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Are you trying to say Jesus was talking to himself? Jesus is only part of the whole picture

A sin is still being commited. Unless we're now to assume that no sin was commited for killing Jesus, who was supposedly God in the flesh.

when God said 'thou shalt not kill' he meant other men, otherwise pest control would be screwed.

Casting demonic spirits out of innocent people is alot different then outright killing one in the flesh.

really? as i've mentioned above no sin is commited, and both send them back to hell.

Doesn't look to me like you have much of a clue as to what is right and wrong in your Gods eyes. You seem to have your OWN concept going on.

Your right, I go around killing innocents and I dabbeling in idolitry, come on give me some credit, most 5yr olds have a decsent grasp of right and wrong. what we're talking about is killing or helping an evil demon, which is a bit more complex.

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

When will you understand this verse?

i understand it very well, its about forgiveness. Not helping demonic forces.


Why don't you find a specific quote from the bible OT or NT that says:
1)helping demons is a good idea
2)killing demons is wrong

That would prove you are right and it's more productive than personal attacks.

Originally posted by ELMO777
Why don't you find a specific quote from the bible OT or NT that says:
1)helping demons is a good idea
2)killing demons is wrong

That would prove you are right and it's more productive than personal attacks.

only if you can find one that proves that masturbating to internet porn is bad. or swearing. or that we shouldn't help demons. or that we should kill demons. or how about one that says we should pass judgement, ever, for any reason? go on. find one.

[edit on 5-4-2006 by aniiohsowtf]

masturbating to net porn is bad. Im now severley blind and I have hairy palms.

Originally posted by ELMO777
masturbating to net porn is bad. Im now severley blind and I have hairy palms.

how mature of you.

I know, its almost as mature as posting a rant thread cause you hate one of your friends cause she can't sing.

Originally posted by ELMO777
I know, its almost as mature as posting a rant thread cause you hate one of your friends cause she can't sing.

that has nothing to do with this topic, and you know nothing of my character other than when i am angry.

I'd help. I didn't have to really think too long on that.

I'm not religious, but I wouldn't let some guy die on the street no matter who he says he is.

are you angry a lot? maybe your posessed by a demon

I don't know about the rest of you but man, am I ever feeling the brotherly love in this thread.

The son died for our sins not the father

Mat 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.
Mat 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

Are you trying to say Jesus was talking to himself? Jesus is only part of the whole picture

So Jesus is NOT God then?

when God said 'thou shalt not kill' he meant other men, otherwise pest control would be screwed.

If Satan is incarnate in the FLESH, then he is a man, as God was incarnate in Jesus' flesh.

really? as i've mentioned above no sin is commited, and both send them back to hell.

If you feel that killing an incarnate spirit in the flesh is not a sin, then it was no sin to kill Jesus, who was supposedly God in the flesh.

Your right, I go around killing innocents and I dabbeling in idolitry, come on give me some credit, most 5yr olds have a decsent grasp of right and wrong. what we're talking about is killing or helping an evil demon, which is a bit more complex.

Look at your avatar. A Celtic Cross. Why? Your second commandment.

"You shall have no other gods besides Me... Do not make a sculpted image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above..."

en.wikipedia.org...
It is also a prohibition against making or possessing objects that one or other may bow down to or serve, including any artistic representations of God or symbols thereof, including crucifixes, or any sculpture of a human being. One must not bow down to or serve any being or object but God.

i understand it very well, its about forgiveness. Not helping demonic forces.

Show me where in that verse that demonic forces are excluded.

1)helping demons is a good idea
2)killing demons is wrong

I've got a better idea. You show me where in the bible that it's forbidden to help your enemy, be it man or demon. Show me where in the bible that it's ok to kill a demon in the flesh.

Your the one laying claim that it is OK to break your God's commandment's and law's. You bring forth the proof that it is.

That would prove you are right and it's more productive than personal attacks.

If questioning your ability to even understand your God's word is a personal attack, so be it.

If stating that you wishing to commit sin against a demon in flesh form make's you no better then Satan, so be it.

If you wish to go against your God's teaching's, don't blame me for calling you what you are. Blame yourself.

Proton I'll let you have this one mate.
We could argue about this one for ever so lets just agree to disagree.
You dont give up do you? I tip my hat to you.
Lets just say that i beleive what i beleive and you beleive what you beleive.
Who said diplomacy was dead.

As a recovering baptist i think that I might have a legitamite answer to your question, "What sin did Satan Commit"?

He commited the sin of arrogance.....Satan was the HIGHEST Archangel(Not Gabriel)....Satan was the MOST BEAUTIFUL....Satan essentially was the MOST!

God creates a new creation...that is frail, weak, and ignorant. He calls them man and woman. Satan comes to them and empowers them to become more intelegent so that they might see that which controls them. This is Satans sin...he pissed in Gods sandbox. For lack of a better term.

And back to the original topic of this post....I would most definatly save Satan....All Christians should remmember that God/Jesus/Holy Spirit calls upon all of us to forgive those thier transgressions and to turn the other cheek. Satan was arrogant and God struck him down the way a parent strikes down a rebellious teenager. Only problem is like most rebellious teens by the time mommy and daddy try to nip it in the bud it was too late for God. He had created something that could atleast for a short time stand up to him.

"And I your lord God am a Jealous God and thou shalt have no other Gods BEFORE me" Cant for the life of me remmember exactly where in Genisis this was but it was part of a conversationg between Moses and God.

So....this is all interesting and speaks volumes to the character of the everyday average Christian....you like that you get to belong to a special group but you refuse to follow all of it Tenets. I gauruntee it.

El senor pom pom rides again

I'm sorry, but to be honest, I'm now rooting for ELMO777. It takes a lot of guts to stand up to good arguements against your point. Even if you have been shown to be wrong.

In the long run...
If killing satan would allow you to rid the world of evil, would it be an evil act?
If by killing satan, he would no longer be able to influence the rest of the world, would it be selfish?

If we kill him and create a peaceful world, would we be evil?

i've thrown in the towel on this one cause otherwise i'll go nuts.

THis subjest is so multisided that it angers me that no one else will argue another point.

I'll now ask this:

If allowing Satan would save the world, would saving him so that your soul would be judged clean be a selfish act? Would allowing him to die be judged a noble act?

I'm actually changing my mind.

Rasobasi420,

Even if you killed Satan, your not saving the world. Man commits sin through man. If Satan and demon's are the cause of all sin and killing them would rid the world, then I say get rid of jails. Train more priest's.

We are capable of our OWN sin. Killing in the name of sin will NOT save you from sin.

In Revelations it says God HIMSELF will deal with Satan. No where in the bible does it say YOU or anyone should judge him, kill him, or allow him to die in any way shape or form.

The verses I quoted should have been clear enough how we should ALL act. Religous or not.

If you would KILL Satan out of HATRED of Satan, you are no better then Satan. Your not doing God's work at all, God never gave man that Job. The bible clearly states God ALONE will deal with him.

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
If allowing Satan would save the world, would saving him so that your soul would be judged clean be a selfish act? Would allowing him to die be judged a noble act?

anything that you do to further your own desires is selfish. allowing satan to die could go either way, depending on your intentions. ridding the world of evil can be selfless, unless you are doing it, once again, to get into heaven, or to reach a hero status.

it's near, if not totally, impossible to be selfless.