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cabal noun 1 a small group formed within a larger body, for secret, especially political, discussion, planning, etc. 2 a political plot or conspiracy. verb (caballed, caballing) to form a cabal; to plot.
ETYMOLOGY: 17c: from French cabale, from cabbala.
www.tribalmessenger.org...[/" target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow"> Source 1 The Market Economy is a false economy and plays to the power of the market elitists. When the markets are liberated the world will see the end of Globalization and its cabal; which spread their unethical deeds through World Bank & IMF loans, international trade treaties, and wars; and when it is not called Globalization it is called neo-liberalism.
“More and more, in many countries of America, a system known as “neoliberalism” prevails; based on a purely economic conception of the human person, this system considers profit and the law of the market as its only parameters, to the detriment of the dignity of and the respect due to individuals and peoples. At times this system has become the ideological justification for certain attitudes and behavior in the social and political spheres leading to the neglect of the weaker members of society. Indeed, the poor are becoming ever more numerous, victims of specific policies and structures which are often unjust.”
Pope John Paul II - from the book "Beyond Iraq, Surviving Globalization"
Originally posted by bigdanprice We are being controlled by an elite few who have us trapped in a consumer society, hiding behind the sham of our current democracy. I do not talk of conspiracies as such but rather the inner workings of the system.
The Neo-Liberalists not only run the corporations and most of the media, but are at the heart of governments. They manipulate Globalization to work in the following ways:
Europeans and Latin Americans, left-wingers and right, rich and poor -- all of them dread that local cultures and national identities are dissolving into a crass all-American consumerism. That cultural imperialism is said to impose American values as well as products, promote the commercial at the expense of the authentic, and substitute shallow gratification for deeper satisfaction
The beauty of globalization is that it can free people from the tyranny of geography. [snip..] A Frenchman -- or an American, for that matter -- can take holidays in Spain or Florida, eat sushi or spaghetti for dinner, drink Coke or Chilean wine, watch a Hollywood blockbuster or an Almodóvar, listen to bhangra or rap, practice yoga or kickboxing, read Elle or The Economist, and have friends from around the world. That we are increasingly free to choose our cultural experiences enriches our lives immeasurably. We could not always enjoy the best the world has to offer.
The world economy is in a state of what is commonly viewed as unprecedented growth. But with this growth has come dangerous and destructive economic disparity
…. do not have enough food to eat, resulting in malnutrition and disease. They face growing inflation while their governments, which used to subsidize some aspects of their marginal living, are urged to stop subsidies for food and adopt a more market-oriented economics.
….people of color often find themselves being left farther and farther behind. Even as states in the U.S. and the nation as a whole report budget surpluses, we seem unable or unwilling to provide adequate housing for the growing number of working-class and homeless families, to repair the physical structure of schools that house low-income students of color, or to provide social services or medical attention for those most in need.
The democratic vision associated with public functions is to be abandoned or seriously curtailed in favor of the ideal of efficiency. There is an abiding belief that democracy must be limited because it interferes with the private decisions of market experts, thereby reducing wealth and capital.
The idea that globalization is something evil, a tool that can be “manipulated” by an elite few, is a viewpoint of fear.
Thanks to globalization, we have cultural diversity, information sharing, and yes – a common market where you can experience products, food, and art from most any region of the world. Who could possibly want it any other way?
That statement is a fairly accurate depiction of my opponent’s view
We in the western world, in particular the northen hemisphere have reaped the benefits of globalisation, but for this ‘common market’, we have paid a terrible price. We have handed our governments and institutions over to the neo-liberalist elite. Life is very different for those in third world countries and the southern hemisphere:
Between 1975 and 1998, average real incomes in developing countries almost doubled – from $1,300 to $2,500. Between 1990 and 1998, the number of under-nourished people fell by approximately 40 million, and infant mortality declined by more than 10 per cent. Despite a rising world population, the number of people living on less than $1 per day fell by 120 million between 1993 and 1998, and by 200 million since 1980. This represents the first absolute decline ever in the number of those living in extreme poverty.
Research for the World Bank shows that the most significant factor explaining such differentials is the degree to which countries have been integrated into the global economy. East Asian countries, by and large, have successfully integrated into the global economy. Sub-Saharan African countries, by and large, have not.
that globalization provides opportunities for those who are less fortunate, allowing them to establish themselves in the world market.
The social and economic problems my opponent is describing are not due to globalization, and they are not due to some secret “neo-liberalist cabal” agenda. They are due to the greed, fear, and corruption of specific governments, which hold back certain countries from fully integrating into the world economy and reaping the full benefits of globalization….
I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country. As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavour to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is DESTROYED. "
www.bilderberg.org..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow"> Source 1. They talk, often to galvanising and fascinating effect, about the main issues of the day - East-West relations, arms control, deficits, debt, the Falklands, sanctions, whatever. Their thoughts may not be repeated outside the meetings and never are. This frustrates outsiders but helps 100 great and good people be frank with each other, as does the fact that Bilderberg members are limited to people of NATO and West European countries (….)
Elite and discreet, Bilderberg has inevitably been talked of in hushed tones by conspiracy theorists over the years. It needn't be. The lists of attenders are published, as are the agendas, and before each meeting the chairman (currently Lord Roll) holds a press conference at which few journalists bother to turn up.
Whilst countries there have seen economic development in inner cities, despite a massive stock market crash, wages are still disgustingly low. Why?
The workers in Cambodia receive even lower wages than those in Costa Rica. But the difference is that the report from Cambodia spelled out what the local workers' alternatives were and how anxious they are to get the jobs denounced by intellectuals and politicians in affluent countries.
"Nhep Chanda averages 75 cents a day for her efforts. For her, the idea of being exploited in a garment factory — working only six days a week, inside instead of in the broiling sun, for up to $2 a day — is a dream."
At the heart of all this is a confusion between the vagaries of fate and the sins of man. All of us wish that workers in Costa Rica and Cambodia, not to mention other poor countries, were able to earn higher pay and live better lives. But wishing will not make it so and causing them to lose their jobs will not help.
We shall have World Government. Whether or not we like it. The only Question is whether World Government will be achieved by conquest or consent. " - James Paul Warburg,
Foreign agent for the Rothschild dynasty and Major Player in the Federal Reserve Act Scam /
Feb. 17, 1950 speaking before the U.S. Senate.
" If the people only understood the rank injustice of our Money and Banking system, there
would be a revolution before morning. " - Andrew Jackson
Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute
an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country.
Our minds are molded, our tastes are formed, our ideas suggested,
largely by men we have never heard of. " - Walter Bernays,
Propaganda – 1928
In his two volume work, The Open Society & Its Enemies, 1938–1943 Popper used the term "conspiracy theory" to criticize the ideologies driving fascism, Nazism and communism. Popper argued that totalitarianism was founded on "conspiracy theories" which drew on imaginary plots driven by paranoid scenarios predicated on tribalism, racism or classism.
Rdube02 impressed me in this one with his methodical approach. Clear, concise logic tied his posts together. It was a modest, effective argument, well tailored to a question that can be as complex as you want to make it
Both opponents argued their points very well, but a few of Bigdanprice's source links didn't work, so I couldn't look them over. Was this an error...or a failure if the host...I will never know.
The debate devolved into an argument about whether globalization and the common market was beneficial or not and to whom. I believe the point of this debate, rather, was to discuss whether a "cabal" sought more than merely this common market. Bigdanprice addressed this issue more thoroughly with his arguments of the Bilderberg's and other's quest for world power.
Labelling arguments as "conspiracy theory" is not a valid defense and only serves to dish out rhetoric and ignore the real issue at hand [...] Maybe Rdube should take a look around at the Website they are at.
Rdube02 brought a lot of information to the table and hit the nail on the head. Fear is a big factor.
Bigdanprice let the side down slightly by rehashing the conspiracy theories we have heard time and time again, and by splitting hairs too much with what his opponent was saying
I say, based on the History of the World, both mens sources of information, their articulation time devoted to their own side of the debate, while looking back and forth I was riveted by both of them and could not stop reading their posts.