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reply posted on 4-4-2006 @ 05:44 PM by Enkidu

Originally posted by TheBorg
I certainly hope that you aren't advocating the mass slaughter of millions of people. That's just inhumane.

Well, geez, it sure sounds inhumane when you say it that way. "Mass slaughter," indeed. I think from a public relations standpoint it might be a good idea to come up with a better name for it.

How about instead of a "lottery," we call is a "lessery," since instead of "a lot," the goal is for there to be less people messing everything up.

Really, though. Mass sterilization will give us plenty of time to get ready for a radical change in the infrastructure.

reply posted on 4-4-2006 @ 06:40 PM by jazz_psyker

True that people who advocate population reductions often think just about themselves, very much narsists for humanity itself.

"carefull with overpopulation otherwise we will all die out" meh, if that happens then the problem solves itself. A lot of other casultys of life might happen, but if you just leave some people left they are just going to bring things back to now or worse.

Care so much for legacy of the future make a momument or something, a molosium.

reply posted on 4-4-2006 @ 06:55 PM by mattison0922

Originally posted by Nygdan
Lets re-iterate what actually happened here:

en.wikipedia.org...
Pianka has suggested that the human population is likely to crash, and that a mutant strain of Ebola (which has up to a 90% mortality rate) is a possible culprit[2]. In response to Pianka's speech while accepting the Texas Academy of Sciences Distinguished Scientist of the Year award in 2006, creationist and Discovery Institute member Forrest Mims alleged that Pianka had "endorsed the elimination of 90 per

Everyone here calling for pianka to die or thinking he is crazy,including me, just got played. Played by religious paranoids who want to stir up trouble for people that have apparently done little more than think, in order to promote their cause and get more and more control over all of us.

Notice how they made it so that this guy appeared crazy? Notice how they made it so that the academics were applauding him? They want us to stop thinking and get in line with their ideology.

Aren't we jumping the gun here somewhat, Nygdan? I don't see how this wikipedia quote resolves the issue of what was said at this meeting. And I agree, at this point, it's Mims word against Pianka's. However, truthseeka, who actually took a class from this guy more or less confirmed what Mims was saying.

I'm not saying the guy is guilty or not, and in fact, I'm the one who posted Mims' ideas, and anti-evolution tendencies, because I think the verdict isn't in.

However, the door swings both ways... until we hear from an independent source... we don't know if were 'played' by 'religious crazies' or not.

It's entirely possible the this wiki quote is just some watered down, gentrified version of Pianka's ideas, or perhaps it's possible he's just gotten more radical.

In any case... I don't think the time is ripe for mudslinging. Why don't we wait until more information comes in?

Edited to add:

I just looked at some of Pianka's student evaluations... most were very positive... one comment in particular did stand out... from fall of 2004 I believe...

Though I agree that convervation biology is of utmost importance to the world, I do not think that preaching that 90% of the human population should die of ebola is the most effective means of encouraging conservation awareness. I found Pianka to be knowledgable, but spent too much time focusing on his specific research and personal views.

So this... from a student of Pianka's, suggests Pianka has alluded to the fact he wishes 90% of the population would die of ebola.

Again, truthseeka more or less confirmed this when he stated

When I saw the title of this thread, I already knew who had said it. Wanna know why?

Because I HAD that guy as a professor!!!

And you know what, he actually SAID THIS TWICE, to the entire class! We all looked around like, huh?

He even went into gory details on the progression of ebola from infection to death. I am still stunned that this made its way to ATS

So perhaps Forrest Mims did misinterpret what Pianka said, but it would appear that other's who've heard him speak inferred the same as Mims, and I don't think anyone at ATS would describe truthseeka as a 'religious crazy.'

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reply posted on 4-4-2006 @ 07:17 PM by macthistle

Is't sucide a mortal sin? and murder? Why kill are selfs like this?

reply posted on 4-4-2006 @ 07:18 PM by AdamJ

he is a doctor doom for sure though. Even his put the record straight version is steeped in pecimism describing humans as a virus that had been lucky.
I can well believe that someone who thinks like that can call for a removal of this virus.

Anyway he seems like a fairly nice guy who just has some strongly held beliefs.
No need for death threats, i dont believe he was actualy advocating carrying it out.

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reply posted on 4-4-2006 @ 07:21 PM by SFRemmy

I wonder....if it's supposed to be airborne, how would the spread of the ebola be stopped from getting to the other 10%. What's going to stop it from ruining our plans and taking out 100% instead of 90%?

reply posted on 4-4-2006 @ 07:26 PM by loam

mattison0922:

Good job to you too!!!

God, I love this site...

reply posted on 4-4-2006 @ 07:30 PM by Enkidu

Originally posted by macthistle
Is't sucide a mortal sin? and murder? Why kill are selfs like this?

We're not killing ourselves. We're killing THEM!
(You know... "them.")

And it's only a mortal sin if you're a Catholic. Otherwise it's a "culling." No, that's not positive enough.

Look, for a fruit tree or a grape vine to produce good fruit, you have to trim it back 80 percent every year. What do they call that? That would be a good name for it.

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reply posted on 4-4-2006 @ 07:34 PM by Enkidu

Originally posted by SFRemmy
I wonder....if it's supposed to be airborne, how would the spread of the ebola be stopped from getting to the other 10%. What's going to stop it from ruining our plans and taking out 100% instead of 90%?

Eh, there's always somebody who has some weird natural immunity. Ebola doesn't kill everybody, anyway. People survive.

reply posted on 4-4-2006 @ 07:35 PM by macthistle

so your saying your one of the 10% to live not die. so you think you are better than the 90% or "them"
This is exactly like animal farm by george orwell

reply posted on 4-4-2006 @ 07:38 PM by mattison0922

Originally posted by SFRemmy
I wonder....if it's supposed to be airborne, how would the spread of the ebola be stopped from getting to the other 10%. What's going to stop it from ruining our plans and taking out 100% instead of 90%?

Remmy... it's not that 10% of people aren't exposed, it's that 10% of people (estimated) are immune to the virus.

reply posted on 4-4-2006 @ 07:42 PM by macthistle

and what if those 10% who are immune are mental disturbed, sterile, physically challenged, blind or all one gender. Then what then it would prove human stupidy.

reply posted on 4-4-2006 @ 08:01 PM by AdamJ

the funny thing with us humans is our obsessivness for control makes us so self destructive we will end up wiping ourselfs out, just so we can be the ones who did it, who had 'free choice'
instead of letting the lack of natural resources do it for us naturaly, like all other creatures do.

reply posted on 4-4-2006 @ 08:01 PM by mattison0922

From a Texas newspaper

This from a second person who filed a complaint:

Joining the crusade, James Pitts, who recieved a Ph.D. in physics from UT-Austin, became the second to publicly chastise Pianka when he filed a complaint Saturday with the UT board of regents. He insists a state university is no place to disseminate such views.

He writes:

"Pianka's message does not fall within the realm of his professional competence as a biologist, because it is a normative claim, not a descriptive one. Pianka is encouraged to use his ecological expertise to predict the likely consequences of certain technological and reproductive strategies, but to evaluate some as good, bad, or worthy of prevention by genocide is the realm of philosophy or political science, not science. His message falls no more within his professional competence than it would for a physicist to teach religion in class or a musician to encourage racism."

Though it was unclear whether this individual was in attendance at the meeting.

Mims may be somewhat of a 'conspiracy theorist,' but that should be appreciated here of all places.

Mims said. Pianka, he insists, exhibits genuine cause for alarm.

Mims worries fertile young minds with a thirst for knowledge may develop into enthusiastic supporters of a deadly disease, advocating the fall of humanity.

Though perhaps a scientific meeting isn't an appropriate place for:

He recommended airborne Ebola as an ideal killing virus," Mims said. "He showed slides of the Four Horsemen of the apocalypse and human skulls. He joked about requiring universal sterilization.

It's not something I've ever come across anyway.

It has been alleged that this same newspaper has tapes of a speech that Pianka made a couple of years ago where similar comments were made... I will keep my eyes open for details.

reply posted on 4-4-2006 @ 08:08 PM by Regenmacher

Some humans while seeing destruction of the ecosystem, find destroying humanity as the solution. Wonder what school of logic that came from? Did they even take a math class in probabilities and statistics?

•United Nations Warns About Declining Population
•U.N. Study Ends Overpopulation Fears
•Overpopulation.com - showing that the world is not overpopulated.

Overpopulation fears are just that, more fear from fear mongers.

Environmental Heresies
The founder of The Whole Earth Catalog believes the environmental movement will soon reverse its position on four core issues.

Over the next ten years, I predict, the mainstream of the environmental movement will reverse its opinion and activism in four major areas: population growth, urbanization, genetically engineered organisms, and nuclear power.

Reversals of this sort have occurred before. Wildfire went from universal menace in mid-20th century to honored natural force and forestry tool now, from “Only you can prevent forest fires!” to let-burn policies and prescribed fires for understory management. The structure of such reversals reveals a hidden strength in the environmental movement and explains why it is likely to keep on growing in influence from decade to decade and perhaps century to century.

“We often give our enemies the means for our own destruction” ~Aesop

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reply posted on 5-4-2006 @ 01:43 AM by TheBorg

Originally posted by Enkidu
Well, geez, it sure sounds inhumane when you say it that way. "Mass slaughter," indeed. I think from a public relations standpoint it might be a good idea to come up with a better name for it.

How about instead of a "lottery," we call is a "lessery," since instead of "a lot," the goal is for there to be less people messing everything up.

Really, though. Mass sterilization will give us plenty of time to get ready for a radical change in the infrastructure.

Just another term for the same thing. Could call it "cleansing, genocide, war crimes" or any other number of things. It's evil, stupid, and above all, wrong. I can't believe that anyone could even advocate that kind of action. I don't mean to be so inflamed about this, but I can't really help it, since someone seems to have lost their better judgement. I fear for the world if there's more people that think like this.

It'd be interesting to see how the people that decide the fates of the masses would handle the situation though, I must admit. Or rather, defend themselves from the masses.

TheBorg

reply posted on 5-4-2006 @ 02:11 AM by Regenmacher

Originally posted by TheBorg
. Or rather, defend themselves from the masses.

Let them live by their swords, and they can voluntarily rid their DNA from the planet. Those who promote destruction above creation can be the first to go, if it's such a great idea.

Anyone here for participating in a mass suicide for the sake of the Lizard man's beliefs?

How about another Jim Jones cult for you nihilists to join in on?

reply posted on 5-4-2006 @ 09:55 AM by Nygdan

Originally posted by Clipper
In my opinion this thread should be deleted immediately.

There's no way we will be deleting a thread merely because its controversial.

we don't know if were 'played' by 'religious crazies' or not.

Indeed, however, from the start, there was something just odd about this story. The ideas presented are reprehensible, and certainly evil people have advocated for mass murder of humans before (whether for eugenics, to 'improve' the species, or here, to 'protect' the 'planet'). But there was something a little odd about the presentation, like the hinting that the media left and didn't report on it, and that all the academics at the meeting applauded the mass murder, rings of the paranoid religious right type of propaganda (not to say all on the religious right are paranoid).

reply posted on 5-4-2006 @ 10:12 AM by mattison0922

Originally posted by Nygdan
Indeed, however, from the start, there was something just odd about this story. The ideas presented are reprehensible, and certainly evil people have advocated for mass murder of humans before (whether for eugenics, to 'improve' the species, or here, to 'protect' the 'planet'). But there was something a little odd about the presentation, like the hinting that the media left and didn't report on it, and that all the academics at the meeting applauded the mass murder, rings of the paranoid religious right type of propaganda (not to say all on the religious right are paranoid).

I agree... many things about the story don't sit well with me either, which is why I mentioned Mims' background, etc.

Did it say anything about the media? I thought it was just the Pianka wanted the videocamera's turned off. This is the way Mims described it. If Pianka did request that the videocamera's be turned off, why? If all he was saying was essentially, 'overpopulation is a problem, and we're likely going to suffer a massive die-off.' why turn the camera's off? There's nothing controversial about this statement. Under what circumstances would someone not want something recorded? One such circumstance might be advocating the painful death of 90% of humanity. Pianka has clearly made less extreme statements in full view of cameras, witnesses, etc., why all the secrecy now?

reply posted on 5-4-2006 @ 11:03 AM by mattison0922

An Austin Newspaper reports that the FBI is interviewing Pianka today

Pianka, who calls the latter interpretation nonsense, says the whole thing has blown out of proportion. Many, however, seem to be taking his critics seriously. Pianka said he is scheduled to meet with FBI officials today.

"Someone has reported me as a terrorist," he said. "They think I'm forming a cadre of people to release the airborne Ebola virus into the air. That I'm the leader and my students are the followers."