Ya know what the problem with you is... you have no problem debating other people, so long as they cave in to your opinion.

Could you point to us which astrophysicist claims, like you, that interstellar clouds are like "fog"?.....

As always grover, when you are proven wrong you try to project your failures and ignorance on others, preferably on the messenger that presents the evidence against your wild claims....

You should give it up already...

This is the News Network, take this outside guys.

I personally have no problem with Muaddib's theory as long as that's what he markets it as, a theory, but he has a very bad habit of shoving his opinion down your throat if you disagree with him, and that I seriously object to.

I will say it again, the vast majority of environmental scientists attribute global warming to human activity, and I am supposed to listen to some crank in Montana? Snort!!! Yeah right.

You want more information of what is happening with the interstellar cloud we are currently going through and the changes/chemical reactions it is causing on Earth and mostly on other planets in the solar system with an atmosphere?...


www-news.uchicago.edu...

That was released in 1996 and it corroborates what the scientists from France said back in 1978. Also of note in the past I have given links to NASA and other scientific institutions who state that the cloud we are going through is becoming denser, and denser, with it's peak being in 2012-2013, which is bad for Earth and brings dramatic changes to the whole Solar System.

Although in the above article it is stated that it might not happen in the next 50,000 years, it has in recent years been proven that we are already going through a portion of the cloud which is becoming denser and denser as we travel into this region, and it is changing drastically the climate on astral bodies with an atmosphere, including the Sun.


www.americanscientist.org...


www.bbc.co.uk...

We didn't pass the cloud, we are still in it. There are regions of the cloud which have less density while other regions have more density. The current section of the cloud that we are going through is denser, and will increase in density exponentially until 2012-2013.

Here is some more interesting information as to what this dense region of the intergallactic cloud can caus on Earth and other planet sin the solar system.


www.bbc.co.uk...

[edit on 11-8-2006 by Muaddib]

Good work there mister-know-it-al...I mean Mauddib

Problem with our types is we come across as arrogant when the reality is much different! I like grover too and his thesis is soundly supported by the recent findings in Angkor. HOWever, I have come here to present a synthesis.

Given: The population is becoming rapidly unsustainable (and I concurr extermination is wholly unholy

Given: We are entering an interstellar "dust" cloud

Therefore: Does it make sense to use the new interstellar matter to construct some artificial balck holes?

I say this because a unique opportunity exists for us to simultaneously reduce our population and at the same time make interstellar travel a reality for our world. In Adrian Berry's book The Iron Sun an interstellar medium is an ideal resource to construct black holes for travel to distant regions of our universe. I currently know of no other way (theoretically) to span the vast reaches of space and time except by this method.

I propose a global effort over the next few centuries to construct at least one, thereby solving two seemingly insurmountable conundrums in one great feat.

Now it is up to everyone else to learn to work together. Little ol' me has done his part

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[edit on 8/11/2006 by Matyas]

SERIOUSLY!!!!! Come on, guys, some of us actually wanted to read and discuss THIS topic. If you want to get into a pissing contest over global warming and star dust, then start your own thread. The past four dog gone pages are full of your all's darn bickering. Knock it off already, your ruining it for the rest of us, and making yourselfs out to look like fools in the process. SHEESH!!


Back on subject PLEASE!!!!


First of all......Has there been an ebola virus that is airborne, and could really knock out 90% of the population?

Second....Seriously, does he really expect to be able to continue living with the casual comforts of this century with 90% of the population gone? Im thinking this guy is JUST smart enough to be dangerous.

You are right, it is in part my fault for getting in the habit of responding to people like grover.



If I remember correctly ebola has an 80%-90% mortality rate. So the whole population of the Earth would have to be infected in order for almost 90% of the people on Earth to die. (that is the most fatal form of ebola, there are other forms of Ebola which have a lesser fatality rate at 50%+)

Airborne ebola transmission has been demonstrated between monkeys in controlled experiments, but there have been no cases of human to human airborne transmission, that i know of. There has to be contact between fluids, or fluid to skin contact for people to catch the virus.



He is one of the people that gives more importance to species, such as lizards, he is a lizard expert, than to human beings. Although I agree that all species are important, I'll rather save a little girl or little boy than save a lizard...

There are many people who think like him. i gave a couple of links to what students of Pianka are saying about his class, and you would see that most of his students agree with him. i guess they are not intelligent enough to understand that they, and/or members of their families, would suffer a terrible agony until death....

What people such as this environmentalists should do, is "find a balance"...not "hoping that 90% of humans die" to "try" to solve what they claim the problem is.... As for Pianka being very intelligent, I kind of doubt it, he might know about lizards, but if you read a couple of his speeches, it reads like an 8 year old is giving a class.

[edit on 11-8-2006 by Muaddib]

That was not an appology, that was another jab, and an attempt at getting the last word. STOP IT!!! I hear enough of that from my kids, I dont want to have to read it on here too. OK? or your grounded buddy



Right that was the ebila reston, that they discovered in Reston, VA. From what I read, they narrowed this reston strain down to one supplier, but were unable to look into it any further. Sounds very suspicious to me to be quite honest.

(thank you for getting back on subject)



[edit on 11-8-2006 by mrsdudara]

i did an ebola term paper in high school, then translated it to spanish in college. unless theres some new strain (i.e. within last 3 years), it very difficult for a human to even catch the virus. i dont think there IS an airborne strain that humans could catch because the host would die so quickly. the problem with a bunch of people catching ebola is that it contains itself - you die within 3-10 days, so the chances of you spreading it (especially since its not airborne) are hardly likely. it is just too vicious. mostly it runs rampant and extreme for a very short period of time in africa because of the pockets of population there and bad health systems(okay, sometimes nonexistant).


i dont agree with using something like ebola, and i dont even know how feasible that woudl be. see above paragraph.

but humanity needs to do somethign about the world's overpopulation. we run over species ilke none of them are ever running out, and how long before this planet is expected to support 10 billion people?

we need to do something about population control but everyone always says 'not in my neighborhood.' its sad. famine, disease, etc etc, happens when there is an overabundance of people in a particular area. nothin complicated about it.

[edit on 8/12/2006 by evanostrand]

I don't think there's necessarilly an overabundance so much as there's not enough people living in the suburban areas of the planet. There's millions of square acres that haven't been inhabited yet. And let's not even start with living underwater. There's almost an infinite amount of space down there.

People just need to evolve to the point that they can grasp the concept of working together to accomplish a similar task. Once that happens, we'll be set.

TheBorg

I agree that with the way we are living now, overpopulation is a threat. I do however believe that we could over come that threat not by extermination or telling people not to have kids, but by changing our lifestyles. One of the big problems right now, is that we keep building and building. We HAVE to have farmland, pastures, and trees. We have to have wildlife. Its all part of the web of life thing. There ARE ways to get around these problems. Its just that most people do not like change. No matter how obsolete things are now, no one wants to change it. Quite frustrating really.