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Originally posted by Roper
This is what happens when a nation does not see to the assimilation of the immigrants. Just ask the American Indians.
Originally posted by HarlemHottie
Yeah, I've been hearing Univision's Jorge Ramos saying this all this week on CNN. "The white population is dying off... they aren't having babies..."
My question is: do Vincente Fox and company realize that other people live here? There are the Native Americans, who have more right to march in the streets than illegal immigrants. There are the black Americans, who were brought here by force. And there are the multitudes of legal immigrants, who did what they had to do to become legal.
So, is the conversation on the fate of our Union only taking place between various Mexican interests and the American government/ corporate interests?
Also, I am so tired of "jobs Americans won't do." Please. Randi Rhodes was on Larry King saying she has callers who pick up roadkill, and they would do anything that paid decent money.
Originally posted by sssssssnake
Come on! Does this mean that the Hispanics are just now evolving to the level of the Gringos of 1800??? Do they really want to be 200 years behind the times?
Old school: Let's eliminate the Hispanics.
New school: Let's learn to help each other and be friends. Cooperation is the way to success.
New Hispanic School: Let's eliminate the Gringos.
One step forward, three steps back.
Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I get tired of hearing that old tired arguement.
Mexicans do jobs that Americans wont do. What utter crap. I know alot of Americans who would love to get a job doing construction, picking produce, ect, anything to get a paycheck in. But unfortunately, those who employ do not want to pay American citizens minimum or legal wages to do the work when they have illegals they can pay a fraction of minimum wage.
You get way above from me. Hardly anyone wants mentions this. They simply parrot the ol party line.
Also Tuesday, a national poll of documented immigrants was released, showing documented immigrants largely in favor of legislation friendly to immigrants, even to those who are in the United States illegally. The poll, conducted by Bendixen & Associates for New America Media, a national association of ethnic news outlets, found that the immigrant community is alarmed about the tone of the debate and feel that anti-immigrant sentiment is growing. "This poll is significant because it takes the temperature of those closest to the current immigration debate," said Wade Henderson, executive director of the Leadership Conference on Civil Rights, a co-sponsor of the poll.
"The survey results are striking and reinforce the call for responsible immigration reform worthy of a nation built by immigrants." Eight hundred documented immigrants were interviewed in 47 states in February and March for the study. American citizens were 61 percent of the immigrants surveyed; legal residents were 39 percent.
They gave bad grades to all politicians involved in revamping immigration laws and immigration enforcement, including President Bush. Only 10 percent approved of H.R. 4437. A majority -- 54 percent -- of the polled immigrants felt that the immigration debate was unfair and based on misinformation.
Originally posted by ceci2006
So, the argument on immigration should be reframed on policy--economically and legally. But please do not debase a group of people on the faults of the government and big business.
Originally quoted by HarlemHottie
This is the way I understand it. When immigrants of color come to this country, they tend to cluster in the urban ghettos. Once in these ghettos, which include the working poor of ALL colors, illegal immigrants compete with longtime residents as unskilled labor. Employers, with no legal incentive to do otherwise, bypass American citizens and recent LEGAL immigrants in favor of cheap, ILlegal, immigrant labor.
That is why average Americans are upset. While the corporations laugh all the way to the bank, and illegals get their (pot)shot at the American Dream, those of us who FINANCE the whole thing would like to know, what should we be doing?
Originally quoted by HarlemHottie
And I'm definitely not debasing anyone, but I am a little disappointed at the Mexican government.
Originally posted by Creedo It boils down to the fact that this country, the USA, can never and will never EVER make the rest of the world happy untill it is crushed into a 3rd world country. We will always be wrong in their eyes, will always be the oppressor, will always be the bad guy. No matter how much aid is sent to other countries. It will never be enough. And god forbid the USA is ever brought to its knees the rest of the world will be wishing for the good 'ol days of when the USA was there to make it all better, and provide better lives for those who followed the rules and came here to make better lives for themselves.
We will forever be the Red Headed Stepchild in the eyes of the world. And that is just sad. And the very moment we want to stop the exploitation of our borders we are lashed out upon.