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The NH House yesterday voted overwhelmingly to reject the Transportation Committee's recommendation of ITL and in a subsequent motion to pass HB 1582, forbidding any state agency from participating in any national ID requirement. The bill is succinct and to the point:
STATE OF NEW HAMPSHIRE
In the Year of Our Lord Two Thousand Six
AN ACT prohibiting New Hampshire from participating in a national identification card system.
Be it Enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General Court convened:
1 Prohibition Against Participation in National Identification System. The general court finds that the public policy established by Congress in the Real ID Act of 2005, Public Law 109-13, is contrary and repugnant to Articles 1 through 10 of the New Hampshire constitution as well as Amendments 4 though 10 of the Constitution for the United States of America. Therefore, the state of New Hampshire shall not participate in a national identification card system; nor shall the department of safety amend the procedures for applying for a driver's license under RSA 263 or an identification card under RSA 260:21.
Originally posted by alienanderson
No one wants these ID cards
Originally posted by DYepes
The fact of the matter is we will not have to have it on us whenever and wherever we go and be subject to random inspections or face fines if we dont carry them.
Besides as you can see by the link I posted earlier, some states are passing legislation banning any of their state agencies from even participating in this National Id act. Trust me buddy, its alot more democratic here than you want to believe.
Originally posted by DYepes
AdamJ you say so on speculation, but it is not so. You only wish that Americans will have to bear the burden of living their daily lives with this thing on them at all times, but it will not be the case. Sure it may be needed to get some things done, but there will be no consequnces for, nor legislation demanding you must carry it on you wherever you go.
Of course that is the problem in Britain, they lost their means to fight back when they lost their guns... how sad.
Originally posted by ImaginaryReality1984
Stop saying things that make it sound like we are wishing the downfall of america. It is deeply annoying and most people don't want that.
Lost our means to fight back? Sorry no. Did you ever see the poll tax riots? If they turn guns on the public then that actually would be the end of our government.
Passports
Bush also spoke about a controversial American policy that requires anyone entering the U.S. to have a passport, including American and Canadian citizens.
The new rule will come into effect at the end of 2007, although David Wilkins, the U.S. ambassador to Canada, has said a national ID card might be acceptable.
Originally posted by DYepes
AdamJ you say so on speculation, but it is not so. You only wish that Americans will have to bear the burden of living their daily lives with this thing on them at all times, but it will not be the case. Sure it may be needed to get some things done, but there will be no consequnces for, nor legislation demanding you must carry it on you wherever you go.
This place is just far too large to think about doing that. Do you know how easy it is to eliminate an incoming tank column into a city? You simply hide a large number of people with grenades and assault rifles in the manholes and destroyed cars and buildings, and when they have reached a certain point, the command is sent to ambush. The gunners on top will be destroyed in the first few minutes. You will be too close for them to launch their shells at you. Then you drop the grenades into the command center inside, and poof. With a little maintenance, and likely few casualties, you have acquired several tanks being taking the offensive. You will be able to use these to knock gunships out of the sky by distracting them in one location.
Of course that is the problem in Britain, they lost their means to fight back when they lost their guns... how sad.
trust me if it were as you say, there will be mass burning here in the states, and it will likely be in front of city halls and courthouses.
Originally posted by Odium
A Government in a Democratic Nation is meant to be ran by the people for the people. In this case, the vat majority do not want something - yet the Government is still forcing it. That's not a democracy.
We're being forced to do something against our will, in turn if we do not we'll be criminals. Thus you're criminalizing innocent people and creating more control. It's a case of the Government pushing and pushing until we as a people snap back.
Originally posted by sminkeypinkey
You might not like ID cards (or the eventual compulsory element) but that doesn't mean the public don't want them.
- You're not actually being 'forced' to do anything.
You don't have to have a passport (which I think you'll find under our system is technically a 'priviledge' and not actually a 'right' anyway).
We're being forced to do something against our will, in turn if we do not we'll be criminals. Thus you're criminalizing innocent people and creating more control. It's a case of the Government pushing and pushing until we as a people snap back.
- You're not actually being 'forced' to do anything.
Identity cards will be made compulsory if Labour wins the next election, Home Secretary Charles Clarke has said.
But Mr Clarke said he plans legislation after the next election to make it compulsory for everyone to get a card, whether or not they have a passport.
Why did Britain get rid of ID cards after World War II?
During the WWII the ID card was seen as a way of protecting the nation from Nazi spies. But in 1952, Winston Churchill's government scrapped the cards. The feeling was that in peacetime they simply were not needed. In fact they were thought to be hindering the work of the police, because so many people resented being asked to produce a card to prove their identity.
People applying for passports will have to visit their local passport office where they will be interviewed, fingerprinted and have "background checks" carried out on them.