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Iran Tests Missile Able to Avoid Radar

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posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 05:34 AM
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Iran Tests Missile Able to Avoid Radar

TEHRAN, Iran - Iran successfully test-fired a locally made missile with the ability to carry a warhead and avoid radar, the airforce chief of the elite Revolutionary Guards said Friday.

"Today, a remarkable goal of the Islamic Republic of Iran's defence forces was realized with the successful test-firing of a new missile with greater technical and tactical capabilities than those previously produced," Gen. Hossein Salami said on state-run television.

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does anybody have more information on this.




posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 05:41 AM
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not a surprise since we have already mastered stealth technology
. It will probably be similar to Fateh-110 cruise missile and hopefully ranges up to 1,000km. By the way the missiles name is Fajr3


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posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 05:59 AM
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Iran mastered stealth technology? Really?

A missile that can "avoid radar" can be any number of things. It could be one that comes in too low for radar to detect, or it can be programed to steer around radar, etc. Doesn't automatically make it stealth.

Interesting how everything I can find about the Fajr3 talks about it being based on a missile imported from North Korea in the 1980s.

[edit on 3/31/2006 by Zaphod58]



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 06:03 AM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
Iran mastered stealth technology? Really?

A missile that can "avoid radar" can be any number of things. It could be one that comes in too low for radar to detect, or it can be programed to steer around radar, etc. Doesn't automatically make it stealth.


yes we have, i believe i have posted a thread hear before regarding to what i have said. Anyways what you said could be right but i still think just to make it more accurate it is based on our stealth technology
. not sure what the missiles name is but i know for sure it belongs to the fajr group.



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 06:05 AM
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Just because a group can figure out how stealth works doesn't make them masters of it. It took the US decades to figure out how to make stealth work, and their first attempt at making a plane stealthy was the worst flying thing ever built. The Have Blue barely got airborne and stayed in the air. When Iran has a stealth plane even in the testing phase, you can talk about "mastering stealth technology".



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 06:27 AM
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Hey wait a sec..
The Fateh-110 is a ballistic missile (SRBM) with a range of 200km. Its not a cruise missile as far as I know!!


And the FAjr 3 has a range of 45-50 km, not 1000km!!

Iran getting hold of cruise missiles with ranges of a 1000km would be a VERY big thing indeed.



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 06:33 AM
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posted by iqonx

Iran Tests Missile Able to Avoid Radar
TEHERAN - Iran successfully test-fired a locally made missile with the ability to carry a warhead and avoid radar, the air force chief of the elite Revolutionary Guards said Friday. "Today . . Iran's defense forces realized the successful test-firing of a new missile with greater technical and tactical capabilities than those previously produced," Gen. Hossein Salami said on state-run television. [Edited by Don W]

Does anybody have more information on this.


I sense this is for local consumption. In 30 days, there will be a showdown between Iran and the US led UN. The exerted material did not claim “stealth” but mentioned “avoid radar.” One poster picked up quickly on that and offered ways to avoid radar that have nothing to do with stealth. Another poster identified this missile as a FAJr-3 based on a 1980s import from NK. Yet another poster reminded us how long the road to stealth was. And I’d like to remind how expensive it is and how much infrastructure is needed to produce a F117A.

I could (theoretically) steal the plans for the F117A but I could never make one because I do not have the raw materials processing capability nor any of the manufacturing expertise needed to put it all together. Knowing and doing are much different. Lots of people “know” how to make an atom bomb but if it was all that easy, Osama would have dropped an A bomb on the WTC and not used old technology to cause the calamity.

Hype for the home folks. A morale booster. Reminds me of another recently deposed dictator. He actually thought he had WMDs. Hmm?


[edit on 3/31/2006 by donwhite]



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 06:40 AM
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Originally posted by Daedalus3
Hey wait a sec..
The Fateh-110 is a ballistic missile (SRBM) with a range of 200km. Its not a cruise missile as far as I know!!


And the FAjr 3 has a range of 45-50 km, not 1000km!!

Iran getting hold of cruise missiles with ranges of a 1000km would be a VERY big thing indeed.


umm no i dont think fateh-110 is a ballistic missile
but it is tactical and i said im not sure about it being named fajr3 but it will be named under that category...im hoping aswell it will be 1,000km
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posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 07:18 AM
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It sure is...




The Fateh-110 (Victorious-110), also known as the NP-110, is a solid propellant surface to surface missile, with a reported range of about 170 kilometers. The program to develop this missile, which has a reported diamter of about 0.45 meters, apparently began around 1997.




On 06 September 2002 Iran successfully test fired the Fateh 110 A ballistic missile. State-run Tehran television said the Fateh 110 A missile was "one the most accurate surface-to-surface missiles manufactured in the world." No details were given on when or where in Iran the test was conducted nor was the missile's range revealed.


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posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 07:20 AM
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Originally posted by Zaphod58
Just because a group can figure out how stealth works doesn't make them masters of it. It took the US decades to figure out how to make stealth work, and their first attempt at making a plane stealthy was the worst flying thing ever built. The Have Blue barely got airborne and stayed in the air. When Iran has a stealth plane even in the testing phase, you can talk about "mastering stealth technology".


actually making a stealth aircraft isnt that difficult. the reason why alot of countries havent got one is becuase they are all attempting an aircraft with curved features like the b-2/f-22 style aircraft rather then using faceted stealth and angled surfaces also they are trying to use advanced composite materials. if a country attempted to build a stealth bomber using sharp angles and radar absorbing materials then they could easily build one even china could have one but even china is attempting the J-xx stealth fighter which is like the f-22.

Iran already has the capability to make radar absorbing material and make carbon fibre parts so making a missile with RAM coating and angled surfaces is not that difficult.

the pictures below are of slightly more advanced cruise missiles made by europe but take a look at the design they are almost square with sharp angles. iran can easily make that out of carbon fibre and cover it in RAM paint.

www.fas.org...
fas.org...

also iran does have an aircraft which uses stealth features such as RAM :
www.globalsecurity.org...


i still dont understand why people think stealth is so hard. obviously america is going to be better becuase it had a head start but think about it any modern 1st world country can make a stealth aircraft if they really wanted too.



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 07:24 AM
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iran also has other cruise missiles :

www.globalsecurity.org...

the kosar is also radar evading crusie missile and they devolped it years before so i dont think its becuase of propoganda and im sure they acutally have it becuase they satrted to build it and years before they where accussed of the nucluer bomb by president bush and israel so they started this program years before the accusations of nukes and threats of war by israel/whitehouse where put on iran.

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posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 07:28 AM
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Originally posted by Daedalus3
Hey wait a sec..
The Fateh-110 is a ballistic missile (SRBM) with a range of 200km. Its not a cruise missile as far as I know!!


And the FAjr 3 has a range of 45-50 km, not 1000km!!

Iran getting hold of cruise missiles with ranges of a 1000km would be a VERY big thing indeed.


iran has cruise missiles with ranges over 2500km :

www.globalsecurity.org...


they have had these for a few years and there where reports that it was being reverse engineered and modifyed to use other componets such as from china and north korea and iran so that the iranians could make there own versions.



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 08:35 AM
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posted by Daedalus3: “Hey wait a sec . . The Fateh-110 is a short range ballistic missile (SRBM) with a range of 200 km (120 miles). Its not a cruise missile as far as I know. The FAjr 3 has a range of 45-50 km (30 miles), not 1,000 km. Iran [possessing] cruise missiles with ranges of a 1,000 km (600 miles) would be a VERY big thing indeed . . wow!



posted by iqonx: "Iran has cruise missiles with ranges over 2,500 km (1,550 miles): they have had these for a few years and reports that it was being reverse engineered and modified to use other components from China and North Korea and Iran so that the Iranians could make there own versions. [All Edited by Don W]


While I doubt Iran has the high tech infrastructure to make composite materials in useful quantities, I do not doubt that China could, if it wanted. Posters here say China is satisfied to duplicate the F22. That is entirely consistent with a nation on a non-aggressive path. I am not privy to the details but I imagine an F22 would have a combat radius of not more than 300 miles. Unless you have in-flight refueling capability. The only world power with all that pro-aggressive capability is the United States. Our problem is, if you have a weapon, you may want to try it out. Like us having 12 carrier battle groups and 2 more abuilding. Sweet Jesus! When will we divert some of that money to furnish the 45 million uninsured Americans with easy access to health care? Well, you know my litany.

Addendum:
Iran, Independence Day, April 1.
Area 650,000 sq miles.
Population, 68,000,000
Infant mortality rate: 41 per 1000
Longevity: 69 years
GDP per person, $8,100

In 1944, Shah Reza Pahavli abdicated. This was most likely due to his pro-German and pro-Nazi stance. His son Mohammed Pahavli. was named the new Shah.

Mohammad Mossadegh was the founder of the National Front of Iran In 1951. The Iranian Parliament (Majlis) voted to nationalize the oil fields. In April, Mossadegh was named new prime minister. His first order of business was to enforce the expropriation order against the British owned Anglo-Iranian Oil Company. Mossadegh was re-elected to Prime Minister in 1952. He quickly instituted more socialist reforms inside Iran.

Britain falsely told the US the Communist were behind Mossadegh. The CIA plotted the overthrow of Mossadegh. On August 19, 1953, Mossadegh was arrested. It was all over for Iran. It’s flirtation with democracy and social improvements were ended. The Shah was back in power. The CIA created the SAVAK to sustain him. US oil companies replaced Britain in the Anglo-Iran Oil Company. In 2004, Egypt changed a street name in Cairo from Pahavli to Mossadegh.
END

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posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by donwhite

While I doubt Iran has the high tech infrastructure to make composite materials in useful quantities, I do not doubt that China could, if it wanted. Posters here say China is satisfied to duplicate the F22. That is entirely consistent with a nation on a non-aggressive path. I am not privy to the details but I imagine an F22 would have a combat radius of not more than 300 miles. Unless you have in-flight refueling capability. The only world power with all that pro-aggressive capability is the United States. Our problem is, if you have a weapon, you may want to try it out. Like us having 12 carrier battle groups and 2 more abuilding. Sweet Jesus! When will we divert some of that money to furnish the 45 million uninsured Americans with easy access to health care? Well, you know my litany.


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seriously they actually have cruise missile with a range of 2500km

www.spacedaily.com...
news.bbc.co.uk...
www.foxnews.com...
www.msnbc.msn.com...

EDIT : infact the range is actually 2500-3000km for the cruise missile that iran has.






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posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 09:53 AM
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this is a next generation ballistic missile with stealth capabilities. It has a 2,000km range aswell and can hit several targets at once. more information can be found here....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 09:59 AM
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Originally posted by Mehran
this is a next generation ballistic missile with stealth capabilities. It has a 2,000km range aswell and can hit several targets at once. more information can be found here....

www.abovetopsecret.com...

[edit on 31-3-2006 by Mehran]

[edit on 31-3-2006 by Mehran]


i think thats where the confusen of the rest of the board members is comming from they dont realise iran reuses names of weopons over and over again for different weopons for example raad is used for the AT-3 ant tank missile clone and a anti ship missile cruise missile which are 2 completely different weopons. same thing with this missile the origanal fajr-2/3/4/5 are actually unguided rocket artillery :

www.globalsecurity.org...
www.globalsecurity.org...

this missile that is talked about in the article is actually a whole new weopons from what i understand. i think iran reuses names of mass produced weopons on specilist weopons becuase its a way to cause confusion to the enemy who might try and hunt down the location of these woepons but thats just my opinion.



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 10:03 AM
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iqonx
good job you figured it out too huh?. the names are the same because so that the enemy doesnt get any intel on them and confuse them aswell. All of our radars havent even been detected yet and no one got any intel on them because we know when to turn them off or on. Also did you hear that Mig-31 rumour by a UAE pilot?...we are very secretive about our army so the enemy doesnt find out about it and that it doesnt have any intel about it.



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 10:17 AM
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Oh please stop with the oh we have secret army gear Mehran, its going to be irrelevant. We know pretty much what Iran has, we do not have to blow up every piece of ordinace we just have to take a big enough chunk out of your defensive system to operate unrestricted.

Anything and everything that looks or acts like a type of communication station is going to be hit first followed by highest threat anti aircraft systems. Anything that is not anti-aircraft in nature will then be targeted in the second wave.

So Iran has radar avoiding missiles.... What are their targets and how do you preceive to get the target locations ? Just because you have a missisle does not guarantee that once launched it will actually hit anything other then sand or water.

Look at Iraq and the Scud's that were fired practically at random, maybe 2 even landed to blow up anything at all, most fell short in the desert a few were intercepted in the air and only a handful even made it anywhere close to becoming a possible threat.

So if an ageis class destroyer is sitting off your coast actively pinging your "radar avoiding missile" then your missile is not going to come near the ship since it is "avoiding" the radar.

You can not avoid and steer into the radar at the same time...

So good luck with those. I am sure they will make a big splash at our next "party".



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 10:54 AM
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im sorry but i disagree with nearly everything you wrote.



Originally posted by robertfenix
Oh please stop with the oh we have secret army gear Mehran, its going to be irrelevant. We know pretty much what Iran has, we do not have to blow up every piece of ordinace we just have to take a big enough chunk out of your defensive system to operate unrestricted.


i highly doubt that america knows everything about iran,america didnt even know anything about iraq a country which is 1/3rd of the size of iraq and is basically open desert where you can use spy sattelites to see everything while iran is a complex mixture of terrains with enough trees and other terrain to blobk all sattelite coverage of what going on the ground in certain areas combined with the underground tunnels and bunkers im sure america doesnt know jack.



Originally posted by robertfenix
Anything and everything that looks or acts like a type of communication station is going to be hit first followed by highest threat anti aircraft systems. Anything that is not anti-aircraft in nature will then be targeted in the second wave.


thats not true america couldnt even take out all the SAMs that serbs had how can they take out the sams of iran whic has hundreds of ground lanched systems combined with infrared independant system like the Rapiers which are self controlled passive infrared and/or radar guided as well. irans systems can function with or without radar and can instead use passive targeting if they want. also combine this with irans sholder launched SAM such as the misagh-2 i really have my doubts that you guys will be able to wipe out there air defence.



Originally posted by robertfenix
So Iran has radar avoiding missiles.... What are their targets and how do you preceive to get the target locations ? Just because you have a missisle does not guarantee that once launched it will actually hit anything other then sand or water.

Look at Iraq and the Scud's that were fired practically at random, maybe 2 even landed to blow up anything at all, most fell short in the desert a few were intercepted in the air and only a handful even made it anywhere close to becoming a possible threat.


iraqs scud missiles where scud A and scud B types they had a CEP of almost 1km(1000m) thats why they missed there targets while irans ballistic missiles have CEP of



posted on Mar, 31 2006 @ 11:48 AM
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Any documented test results to back up that 50m CEP for the Shahab 3/4?
I have heard/read much to the contrary where the Shahab series have have very 'few' successful test flights.
And by successful I don't just mean getting it of the ground.
Infact I've been trying hard to find any pure success test results backed by external sources.
The Kh-55 missiles (if) sold to Iran, will prove to be a great stand-off weapon in any future invasion attempt, especially with a estimated CEP of 150 metres. But most doubt that Iran will be able to get them operational.

This shady deal by Ukraine is phenomenal



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