U.S. to test powerful explosive in Utah in preps for nuke on iran?, page 1
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Topic started on 30-3-2006 @ 01:56 PM by xxvalheruxx

The US military plans to detonate a 700 tonne explosive charge in a test called "Divine Strake" that will send a mushroom cloud over Las Vegas, a senior defense official said.


www.breitbart.com...

The US is planning to test large non nuclear explosive in an underground bunker in NV. 700 tons?? Although it's not new news, here's a story from a while ago...



Nuclear Bunker Busters, Mini-Nukes, and the US Nuclear Stockpile
The Bush administration is contemplating a new crop of nuclear weapons that could reduce the threat to civilian populations. However, they're still unlikely to work without producing massive radioactive fallout, and their development might require a return to underground nuclear testing.

In support of its request to repeal the 1994 law (banning mini nukes), the Bush administration is arguing that the US may need lower yield nuclear weapons to more credibly deter rogue regimes possessing chemical, biological, or nuclear weapons.

www.aip.org...

So now they are testing an explosion with the force of a mini nuke, in an underground bunker, which they state is to test the results/damage to the hard granite bunker.

Does anyone besides me think that they've had these mini nukes for a while now, and now that they are getting close to this war with Iran, where they will probably use them, they need to perform a test to see exactly how effective they are.

If they use them to take out nuke/bio/chem facilities like they state, what happens if the explosion isn't contained underground. yay, now instead of just having radiation in the air, there is biological/chemical weapons as well...although with that sort of explosion there may be a chance that the bio/chem weapons would become innefective, as the arcticle says, i just don't buy it. but you never know.

It just sounds like really odd timing, the beginning of June...sounds like a rush rush job to test this out. Did that plan ever completely fall out to store nuclear waste in nevada bunkers? if so, i wouldnt' doubt it if they were using it a bunker already built for the waste =P

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[edit on 30-3-2006 by xxvalheruxx]


reply posted on 30-3-2006 @ 06:04 PM by Regenmacher
Not sure where you got Utah from?

www.defensenews.com...
The U.S. military plans to detonate a 700 ton explosive charge in a test called “Divine Strake” that will send a mushroom cloud over Las Vegas, a senior defense official said March 30.

He said the Russians have been notified of the test, which is scheduled for the first week of June at the Nevada test range.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.



Wonder how Nevada residents feel about sucking up the plume of a mushroom cloud? And they worry about cigarette smoke?

Now we must consider what can actually transport a 700 ton explosive device? Nothing that I am aware of, since a C-5's payload is only 135 tons. So what does the test actually represent?

What kind the name is Divine Strake anyway? Reminds me of Monty Python's Holy Hand Grenade.


King Bush: "Ready thy Divine Strake!"

Troops: "Ready!"

King Bush: "Then lobbest thou thy Divine Strake of USA towards thy foe,
who, being naughty in mine sight, shall snuff him and make glass of his ass."

Troops:"We cannot my lord, it's a bloody 700 tons!"

________________________

Divine indeed, divine foolery to believe it's not a siesmic blast test to aid computer modeling for a more transportable and compact device like a nuclear bunker buster.


Iran, Washington is calling and it's dial-a-nuke.

DTRA-Defense Threat Reduction Agency


[edit on 30-3-2006 by Regenmacher]



reply posted on 30-3-2006 @ 10:22 PM by Daedalus3
Originally posted by The Links
Do underground tests produce mushroom clouds?


Nope.. They produce 'mushroom mounds'!

The surface depression depends on how deep the shaft is. Since we're talking about sub KT yields, here's a pic of a crater created by a sub kT nuclear detonation, carried out by India in May 98 at the end of its testing spree.



This is a shallow depth (don't how deep 'shallow is but 100m+ is considered to be 'deep'') sub kT N-detonation crater which is about 3.5 to 4 meters across. THe yield is estimated to be a 'few hundreds of tons upwards depending on the depth'. Pretty small if you ask me!

India has released an image of one of these shots showing a surface crater in a sand dune. The dune crater, judging by the sand bags in the image is quite small, perhaps 3.5-4 meters from rim to rim. The yield for producing this feature could be anything from a few hundred kg of explosive yield upwards, depending on the depth of burial and the mechanism by which the surface crater was formed.



reply posted on 30-3-2006 @ 10:45 PM by Zaphod58
During underground testing the US and Soviets were always able to tell when a test was done, because they would detect the seismic events from the blast. So if this *WAS* a nuclear test, they wouldn't be able to hide it for long.

The initial environmental impacts of an underground nuclear explosion are associated with the seismic shock wave that results from the release of a tremendous amount of energy to the Earth surrounding the point of explosion, and the radioactive elements produced during the nuclear explosion, which in some cases may escape into the atmosphere. We consider these two in turn.

About 1% or less of the energy released in an underground nuclear explosion is transmitted as a seismic wave. This produces temporary ground motions just like an earthquake. As with naturally occurring earthquakes, ground motion from seismic waves arising from nuclear detonations could damage buildings and other structures. Nuclear testing in the Pacific has also caused damage to coral reefs with consequences to fish and other marine life.

For example, high rise buildings in Las Vegas more than 160 km away from the Nevada test site in the United States have been known to sway following underground nuclear explosions. In July 1979, a French nuclear test in the Mururoa Atoll led to an underwater landslide. This in turn created a tidal wave causing at least one technician to be seriously injured. It has been reported that following the Indian nuclear tests in May 1998, some houses in the nearby village of Khetolai had sustained some damage.

www.geocities.com...
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