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Israel can fire nukes from submarines

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posted on Oct, 11 2003 @ 05:19 PM
Report: Israel Can Launch Nukes from Subs
(Reuters) - U.S. and Israeli officials say Israel has modified U.S.-made Harpoon cruise missiles so it can launch nuclear warheads from submarines, the Los Angeles Times reported on Saturday. The State Department and Pentagon declined to comment on the report, as did an Israeli military spokesman, in line with that nation's policy of refusing to say if it has nuclear weapons. Israel is regarded as the only nuclear power in the Middle East. More...

This is a major escalation, its also Israel baring her teeth at the arab world.

This is very bad indeed.

posted on Oct, 11 2003 @ 05:28 PM

Popeye Turbo

in May 2000 Israel is reported to have secretly carried out its first test launches from two German-built Dolphin-class submarines of cruise missiles capable of carrying nuclear warheads. The missiles launched from vessels off Sri Lanka in the Indian Ocean are said to have hit a target at a range of about 1,500 kilometers. Israel is reported to possess a 200kg nuclear warhead, containing 6kg of plutonium, that could be mounted on cruise missiles.
Israel has reportedly developed an air-launched cruise missile that could be operational by 2002, called the Popeye Turbo. The Popeye Turbo, with a range that is variously reported at between 200 km and 350 km, would appear to represent a turbo-jet powered cruise missile that may incorporate avionics and other components developed for the Popeye family of missiles. The AGM-142 HAVE NAP is a variant of the Israeli Air Force "Popeye" missile, which uses a solid propellant rocket motor. The Popeye II, also known as the Have Lite, is a smaller missile with more advanced technology. Designed for deployment on fighter aircraft, Popeye II has a range of 150 kilometers.

The Popeye Turbo missile is probably similar to if not identical with the Israeli submarine-launced cruise missile carried on the Dolphin-class submarines. The baseline Popeye missile with a range of 45 miles has a diameter of 21 inches, and is nearly 16 feet long. For comparison, the American MK-48 heavy torpedo is 21 inches in diameter, and 19 feet long, while the BGM-109 Tomahawk SLCM is 20.4 inches in diameter and 20.5 feet long [including the booster motor], and the Russian SS-N-21 SLCM is similar in configuration and dimensions to the American Tomahawk.

The reported range of 1,500 km for the SLCM tested in May 2000 is several times greater than the previously reported range for the Popeye Turbo. However, the Popeye Turbo is a poorly attested missile, and the open literature provides little information on this system. Indeed, because of the small size of the vehicle and the limited testing program to date, it is entirely possible that even the US intelligence community has only limited insight into the capabilities of this system. There is no particular reason to doubt that Israel could develop a variant of the Popeye Turbo with a range of 1,500 km, simply by lengthening the fuel tank associated with a 300-350 km variant reported by US intelligence. At present it is not possible to determine whether the US intelligence has under-estimated the range of this missile, or whether news reports have over-estimated the missile's range. The longer range reported in June 2000 is certainly consistent with Israeli targetting requirements.

It is generally agreed that these submarines are outfitted with six 533-millimeter torpedo tubes suitable for the 21-inch torpedoes that are normally used on most submarines, including those of the United States. Some reports suggest that the submarines have a total of ten torpedo tubes -- six 533-millimeter and four 650-millimeter. Uniquely, the Soviet navy deployed the Type 65 heavy-weight torpedo using a 650-millimeter tube. The four larger 25.5 inch diameter torpedo tubes could be used to launch a long-range nuclear-capable submarine-launched cruise missile (SLCM).

That is what you are talking about isnt it Nans?

[Edited on 11-10-2003 by FULCRUM]

posted on Oct, 11 2003 @ 05:30 PM
Well now they have the capability to incinerate anyone in the islamic world within 60 minutes, that should light a fire under them, Go team!

posted on Oct, 11 2003 @ 05:31 PM
As you can see we are really not talking about Harpoon SSM:s here..

This is much worse..

posted on Oct, 11 2003 @ 05:34 PM
Is there any evidence to say these warheads are operational or fielded?

posted on Oct, 11 2003 @ 05:39 PM

She's a tad bigger than the British ALCM Storm Shadow which came into operation earlier this year but i think popeye packs a bigger punch and it certainly does with a nuclear warhead.

posted on Oct, 11 2003 @ 05:48 PM

Originally posted by Nerdling
Is there any evidence to say these warheads are operational or fielded?

Here is the KEY to every thing..

there was actually a page that had all the photos taken by him..

Sadly it seems that Mossad has closed it down..

But ill try to find it..

posted on Oct, 11 2003 @ 05:50 PM
Good Good, Mossad are ruthless in security as these nuclear weapons don't actually *exist*

Finding those pics would be great, but you may have jews armed with ninja-stars-of-david on your tail

posted on Oct, 11 2003 @ 05:57 PM

Originally posted by Nerdling
Good Good, Mossad are ruthless in security as these nuclear weapons don't actually *exist*

Finding those pics would be great, but you may have jews armed with ninja-stars-of-david on your tail

No man..

I actually had those..

They were HERE!!!

But arent anymore..

Also check THIS!!!

Gone with the wind..



The London Times states that Israel?s top secret Diamona nuclear facility has developed from 200 to 500 atomic weapons. Some are small which can be fired as artillery shells with a range of 45 miles. Others are designed for cruise missiles. Israel has designed a deadly gamma radiation atomic weapon which can kill all the people but leave a city intact. The London Times, of June, 2000, reported that Israel has three submarines which can carry atomic cruise missiles and accurately fire them 950 miles. Israel has become the third, most powerful atomic arsenal in the world after the U.S. and Russia. They now have surpassed England, France and China!

posted on Oct, 11 2003 @ 06:02 PM

Here you go:

Israel's Nuclear Weapons Program

Read and weap..

posted on Oct, 11 2003 @ 06:04 PM
I always knew Israel had Neutron bombs, those would be reserved for the massed arab troops as it would leave their equipment intact, neutralising the vast egyptian SAM and AAA umbrella and then capturing it would provide Israel with a great air defence for most of lower Israel and the sinai. Sure they could afford their own systems, but why pay when you can use someone elses.

Those pictures look interesting...and correct, i'm not going into nuclear physics but the bombs appear to be anatomically correct and rather deadly.

I'm a jew supporter but i believe Israel now has to be stopped from manufacturing more of these weapons.

You losing those pictures is interesting, i think it should be looked into but first you should check your caches and temporary internet files just in case.

Very weird indeed.

posted on Oct, 11 2003 @ 06:05 PM

His evidence showed that Israel had stockpiled up to 200 nuclear warheads, with no debate or authorisation from it own citizens.

This is certainly more than Iraq, India, Pakistan, and Iran put together, in terms of sheer quantity. However, where is the evidence to suggest that Israel has threatened or attacked the United States? Is there an increased risk for the US or Western Europe?

posted on Oct, 11 2003 @ 06:06 PM
Only two words can express the things you found.

oh #

Israel is getting ready boys and girls, the time is upon us.

posted on Oct, 11 2003 @ 06:09 PM

Here is a good pic of Israeli bomb model taken by Mordechai Vanunu.

(the 'core' of nuclear weapon..)

posted on Oct, 11 2003 @ 06:14 PM
The model does appear to be correct, which means Israel probably has a few of these ready.

Scenario for use?

Massed Arab armies move into Israel decimating everything and everyone in sight, a combined attack on four axis catches the IDF from all directions, fearing defeat Israel decides to start its revenge, the dolphin submarines positioned strategially begin launching these neutron bombs at every major arab population centre.

You think that sounds out of this world...its not, its Israels last stand policy.

posted on Oct, 11 2003 @ 06:15 PM

South Africa had it much help from Israel when building nuclear weapons..

And it is a know fact that aparheid South Africa had nukes..

South Africa's Nuclear Weapons Program - Putting Down the Sword

The key causes that led the Republic of South Africa to become the first, and thus far only, nuclear state to disarm were the reversal of the causes that had led to its arming in the first place:

  • In the late 80s Soviet-sponsored intervention in southern Africa started de-escalating, as the Soviet Union began to stagger, and then struggle with attempted reform;

  • South Africa began to seriously contemplate reforming the apartheid policies that had led to its international isolation, and to look forward to how to break out of that isolation.

The first sign of a change in direction for South Africa was in 1987 when President Botha announced that South Africa was considering signing the 1968 Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) and would begin discussions with other countries toward that end.

posted on Oct, 11 2003 @ 06:17 PM
I don't see Israel going with that line of policy, its pretty easy to find out where the weapons are stored and even how many there are roughly.
We must not forget that Israel has nuclear gravity bombs ready for use on its combat aircraft that will supplement the missiles.

posted on Oct, 11 2003 @ 06:19 PM

Israelis almost nuked Arabs in 1973..

Only thing that stopped them was that CCCP (aka USSR) told both US and Israel that if they were to do this
the CCCP (aka USSR) would in turn nuke the hell out of both of these..

Next target for WMD hunt: Israel!!!

posted on Oct, 11 2003 @ 06:24 PM

Haunting simularities gentlemen and ladies?
'Nuff said.......


[Edited on 11-10-2003 by Seekerof]

posted on Oct, 11 2003 @ 06:29 PM


Dr Strangestein - or how Israel learned to love the bomb.

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