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Mexico UFO fleet. Strangest formation yet. *More fleets added*

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posted on Mar, 30 2006 @ 10:36 AM
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Regarding the wind's apparent difference... You can have wind blowing west at low altitude or blowing erratically from ground objects deflecting it while the upper altitudes winds can blow east or north or south.

There are different winds at different levels of our atmosphere. The jet stream can impact higher altitude winds and cause them to blow 180 degrees opposite of the lower winds.

The video sure looks like geese migrating on first glance. hmmm The filters seem to make it look balloons though. No telling from that video IMHO, a zoom would've been nice.

You wonder why these guys who keep catching these fleets never get a real high quality camera capable of zooming long distances with high resolution involved?
Springer...

[edit on 3-30-2006 by Springer]




posted on Mar, 30 2006 @ 10:49 AM
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There are some very intriguing videos posted in this thread.

The first Mexico “fleet” video from the original post fits the typical grouping of geese (imo more specifically the Lesser Snow Goose) “on the fly” migrating from Canada to Mexico and back each year. Since the video also allegedly represents “Mexico D.F.” (Distritco Federal) there is no place to for “landing” for well over 50 miles and the high altitude on a clear day would be congruent with the goose’s migratory behavior when covering distance.

Sights exactly like those depicted in the video are extremely common in west and central Texas as the millions of geese migrate each year and bottle-neck toward Mexico.


mg

[edit on 30-3-2006 by missed_gear]



posted on Mar, 30 2006 @ 10:49 AM
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Where are all our ATS member film experts? I respect their analysis as much as anyone's. jritzman is quite good I think. I'll send him a message and see if he will take a look at this film. Thanks for sharing.



posted on Mar, 30 2006 @ 10:50 AM
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Did i see the same videos as you all did?

the first mexico one was birds... in a v pattern not IMO... just birds. period
If someone wants proof... go outside and see the same thing, flying north now...

The arizona videos were ballons IMO
the 2nd Mexico one is unknown... maybe balloons, but wind probably would not whip certain ones around in circles, and carry others in a straight line...

the Night shot ones with the flashing lights were the most interesting.
could be planes, but could also be UFO's since there seemed to be a high density of them in one area...
planes probably wouldn't fly so close at night...

it would help to know the location though... if it is next to a small airport, then question answered.

And Rasobasi... IMO those are also balloons... lots of them... who knows where from, but i bet the guy making the "pay for speech" circuit knows...
they all move the same direction at almost the exact same speed...
Could be ufos... but could also be normal ol balloons..



posted on Mar, 30 2006 @ 10:51 AM
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People release balloons all the time.




posted on Mar, 30 2006 @ 10:58 AM
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Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
And Rasobasi... IMO those are also balloons... lots of them... who knows where from, but i bet the guy making the "pay for speech" circuit knows...
they all move the same direction at almost the exact same speed...
Could be ufos... but could also be normal ol balloons..



Balloons wouldn't maintain the same formation after such a long time, even if the air were still, the balloons higher up would be cought in the random gust. I'm not going to argue Jaime Mussan's credability because I don't think it matters in this case. He's just compiling video IMO.

This happened at a large rally that had several government officials and news stations. No one at the rally could explain what was going on, which makes me think that no one there released the "balloons"



posted on Mar, 30 2006 @ 11:05 AM
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Ok, i assumed that about the source...
I wont challenge it...

only the interpretation...
balloons would very much keep the same formation if they were at the same height (being released at same time) and in the same wind stream...
that is why I still consider one of the mexican films to be a possibility (there WAS independant movement amongst the grouping of objects.)

I wish i could post some sort of corroberating evidence, but alas, dont have the time...

I accept that it could be ET/ufos, if you accept that there is the slightest possibility that it could be balloons.



posted on Mar, 30 2006 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
No one at the rally could explain what was going on, which makes me think that no one there released the "balloons"


Therefore they are alien ships. Come ON people!! They are balloons and/or birds. Those videos where they zoom in really really close are complete crap. The optics of those cameras (and the added digital zoom) are bad for looking at something so far away so all you get is blur and shimmer. Then, you can pretend to see any shape you want.

The ONLY reason these vids get talked about so much is that so many of us DESPERATELY WANT for there to be fleets of UFOS visiting us. We do not have such strong emotions for balloons released by Mexicans.



posted on Mar, 30 2006 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by Sophismata

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
No one at the rally could explain what was going on, which makes me think that no one there released the "balloons"


Therefore they are alien ships. Come ON people!! They are balloons and/or birds.


No, therefore they are Unidentified Flying/Floating Objects. Birds do not float in place, or fly in absolute perfect formation. Here is some video of people releasing balloons. You can see that their movements are very unpredictable as they rise, and they never stay in perfect formation.

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Wig

posted on Mar, 30 2006 @ 11:27 AM
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My opinion, the first clip on the OP is birds

The two arizona are inconclusive

The next Mexican one could be birds

The flashers at night could be fire flies

The supposed UK night time fleet video was interesting (he didn't speak English) and didn't keep the camera still, and didn't have a decent zoom.



posted on Mar, 30 2006 @ 01:15 PM
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They look like baloons to me, but being that they're straight up and still reflecting sunlight, I would say that they're also weather balloons. Weather balloons are generally made of mylar, which is highly reflective, and they expand to the volume of a football stadium at higher altitudes. So with the size, high reflectivity, and high altitude you could get something like that.


Originally posted by Cabanman
But soon we will be, I will fill balloons with helium and let them go. I will do so in the morning hours because most of the vids are morning vids. Will see and compare with balloons to see if their is a match. Will post findings here.


Won't work. You would need something like a weather balloon to do it.


Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Uh the flares are all moving in the same direction in a holding pattern???

I don't think that kind of visual can be done with fireworks and certainly they would not burn that long.


If the flares were dropped by planes doing high altitude mock dog fighting (you wouldn't hear them if they're high enough) they woukd certainly hover light that. The flares dropped by fighers also can burn for up to a few minutes.


Originally posted by denythestatusquo
Balloons moving in formation? maybe hot air balloons piloted by people but those are not hot air balloons.


Well, if they're all at the same altitude, then yes... The wind would be blowing them in the same direction uniformly.



Also why are they not climbing in elevation as they move along? It doesn't appear to me that they resemble any motion of a balloon.


The person filming looks to be almost direcly beneath them, so a change in altitude wouldn't be as apparant.



posted on Mar, 30 2006 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by Cabanman

I don't know if this would be a wise observation or not, but here it goes. In the very beginning of the main Mexico formation video, one can appreciate how the wind might have been blowing that day. If you look at the very start of the video, you can notice the flag blowing at one direction, and the fleet going another. The flag appears to be blown toward the camera man. Could this mean that the wind was at the contrary of the objects trajectory?


Winds blow in different directions and at different velocities at different altitudes.



posted on Mar, 30 2006 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by Landis
Winds blow in different directions and at different velocities at different altitudes.


That's correct. In the Northern Hemisphere, the winds rotate in a counter-clockwise fashion. So on the ground the winds may be to the SE, go up 5000 feet and they're to the S, go up to 15K feet and they're to the W, and so on...



posted on Mar, 30 2006 @ 01:26 PM
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Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid
They look like baloons to me, but being that they're straight up and still reflecting sunlight, I would say that they're also weather balloons. Weather balloons are generally made of mylar, which is highly reflective, and they expand to the volume of a football stadium at higher altitudes. So with the size, high reflectivity, and high altitude you could get something like that.

But what situation would call for hundreds of weather balloons to be released at the same time? And why was no one aware of this?

Not to mention that for anyone to purchase that many weather balloons would cost thousands upon thousands of dollars, money the average hoaxer wouldn't be willing to spend.

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posted on Mar, 30 2006 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by Serum39

Has anyone encountered this "fleet" Phenomena any where else in the world? If Mexico happens to be the only documented case, what can we gather from this- if anything?

Peace


Jaime Maussan explains the significance in his UFO conference lecture. Mexico is where a significant event will occur. You have to watch the vid to get the exact statement he made. It's been a while since I've seen it and I don't want to screw up what he said by trying to quote him.



posted on Mar, 30 2006 @ 01:30 PM
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
But what situation would call for hundreds of weather balloons to be released at the same time? And why was no one aware of this?


NOAA does it all the time. Why should the alert anyone to it?



posted on Mar, 30 2006 @ 01:32 PM
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Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
But what situation would call for hundreds of weather balloons to be released at the same time? And why was no one aware of this?


NOAA does it all the time. Why should the alert anyone to it?


True, thery release hundreds of balloons, but not from one location. The balloons are released from all around the country.

Plus, there is the cost issue.



posted on Mar, 30 2006 @ 01:34 PM
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Originally posted by Rasobasi420
True, thery release hundreds of balloons, but not from one location. The balloons are released from all around the country.

Plus, there is the cost issue.


For things like hurricans and tropical storms they release a mass of them.



posted on Mar, 30 2006 @ 01:59 PM
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Originally posted by cmdrkeenkid

Originally posted by Rasobasi420
True, thery release hundreds of balloons, but not from one location. The balloons are released from all around the country.

Plus, there is the cost issue.


For things like hurricans and tropical storms they release a mass of them.


Maybe, but the 2004 hurricane season got off to a late start. There was no Pacific hurricane activity until mid July, and no Atlantic activity until mid August. The footage I mentioned took place in early June in Guadalajara.



posted on Mar, 30 2006 @ 02:13 PM
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UFO's....LOL...They're birds in V flight migration. That's exactly what they look like, they stay in a tight formation to make it less tireing to fly long distances. Doesn't anybody pay attention to the sky anymore?

www.aerospaceweb.org...

When was that vid taken?



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