Me and "Them"- Alien Experiences

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posted on May, 3 2006 @ 03:32 PM
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Thats pretty neat stuff Ecto. The event generator I'd heard of before, but not the other stuff.

I have always said that as you observe, youre being observed. No matter what "it" is.




posted on May, 12 2006 @ 10:44 PM
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I have registered just to post at this thread, I often search the web for credible information, on the whole I do a lot of searching and find only tiny valuable snippets of any real info, from personal multiple experience accounts I have only read a tiny number from witnesses that confirm, ie show the signs, when you see them a little light goes on and you know immediately that this is a true experiancer, its little words little expressions little things that happen or that the witness says they felt so that those that know know, it is rare to find this which makes finding any real answers so difficult, some times when I read a report its just the little things that give away the real thing, its kind of like a little nod to others, I have found that with this thread, its such a breath of fresh air to finally get to hear from one who has experienced this true enigma, and it is an enigma, one thing I hate is those that seem to have all the answers yet have no experiences, information like they come from this planet and they have a war with this race and there insignia is this and they have done this that and the other, its like reading bad 1950s sci fi, the truth is that for a real experiancer in reality it is all very confusing, very very confusing, some of the posts I see here with whole encyclopedias of information, the reality is it just isn't that clear.


I really hope you can continue with the thread, one thing I have to say, there are a lot more people than you think that have had experiences, they just keep quite about it, they visit the sites and read the threads but they never post or say anything to anyone outside of perhaps a close family member, perhaps a trusted friend, even then they don't say a whole lot, they keep it to themselves and know one is the wiser, just because people do not post or say anything does not mean things are not being read, you just don't realise who is reading and why. I hope you can go on with this thread as the information is very valuable to those that really need to know.



posted on Jun, 7 2006 @ 04:09 AM
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Jeff,

Many of Us I'm sure are still here to support you, should you choose to share the events you have experienced and witnessed.

BTW, I'm curious personally about the humps in the air experience. I'd welcome a U2U on it or share it at your convenience here.

-ADHD



posted on Jun, 7 2006 @ 06:06 AM
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I'm not an investigator of this phenomenon but over the years I've read a huge amount of books/accounts on this type of thing. Not one of them has screamed "true" like this one has.

I congratulate you for having the courage to take the time to put this into words for us. After reading what you've written, I'd have wanted to shove the whole thing into the cupboard and lock the door on it.

Your writing style is admirable, direct and to the point.

I hope that there is more you're prepared to share but, if that means putting yourself and your family at risk, don't continue. We'll understand.

Thank you.



posted on Jun, 7 2006 @ 12:06 PM
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Jeff,
Excellent posts! Like others members I have grown very skeptical of these kind of threads lately on ATS. However I remembered your username from some of the Meier threads and remembered looking forward to your posts so I checked it out. I must say I was not disappointed.


You have an obvious talent for writing. I’ve recently been reawaken to the alien phenomenon, and your writing inspires me to look at abductees’ reports more closely, thanx.

I am deeply sorry for the pain you and your family have gone through and I sincerely admire your courage in facing this issue. It seems like in one of your encounters one of them understood that you were afraid and tried to reassure you. In this misery that could be somewhat comforting. Does the “good” one appear often (the rubber carrots being)?


Originally posted by jritzmann
Everything contained in this forum thread by username jritzmann is copyright 2006 by J. Ritzmann No reproduction without written permission.

I’m not sure that will work. According to #3 of the TOS, you have given ATS exclusive rights to your posts and anyone in the public is free to use it under ATS’s Creative Commons Licences. I might be wrong about this, someone correct me if I’m wrong.



posted on Jun, 7 2006 @ 12:15 PM
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ConspiracyNut23

What is actually scarier is that link in your sig with IP numbers on it. I've just checked mine and what you have is dead right.



posted on Jun, 7 2006 @ 12:46 PM
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Hi jritzmann,

I have read about 5 pages of your story.

Are you a writer and have you ever had anything published?



posted on Jun, 7 2006 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by jritzmann

Do we wonder why after 60+ years of study that we still dont have solid irrefutable proof of anything? Wonder no more. You cant study what chooses to be outside our perception or measure, when it chooses. All we cant study is it's effects on environment, and people, and films/recordings...all subject to the ambiguity that permeates the whole enigma. It's really the only constant.


Excellent point.


There may be no "proof" available except as "they" desire. The concept of "proof" requires that humans possess the ability to control, determine & explain with authority what is going on. If aliens have that athority, then science or any other human construct is useless.

[edit on 7-6-2006 by evilution]

[edit on 7-6-2006 by evilution]



posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 02:13 PM
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This is amazing and i must say wow thank you for posting this



posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 03:10 PM
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Jeff has been dealing with some issues recently that make it hard for him to post as often as he would like. If everyone will bear with him, I'm sure he will get back to this thread as soon as he can.



posted on Jun, 14 2006 @ 08:55 PM
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I really don't think Mr Ritzmann has been very forthcoming with us. In fact, I know he hasn't. It seems that Mr. Ritzmann as never shown us one picture, or any video that he may have relevant to his present story, or perhaps the time when he supposedly filmed a UFO in Pensicola back in March of 1998 while he was vacationing. However, he makes these claims, but shows absolutley no support. But, you all should know as well, is that Mr Ritzmann is an avid photographer, and works in filmography as well as props, and costumes. Also, not to mention, he is very well versed in critiqueing other writers books related to alien beings, etc... I think we have all been suckered in this scheme.

You know, back when he first started talking about it, till the end, Mr Ratzmann stated, he wanted to forget about it all. But why would he be so involved in this topic? That was the first red flag. Second red flag was his perfect way of description. So much a writers trait. However, when he mentioned how he got lost and didn't remember going over the bridge.... What was it? " I got out, and the sky seemed to have been under me, but I felt I was rising up toward it? I for one know that after a long drive, if you get out of the car right away, you have that same exact feeling. He's just making you think he felt that, but using different words. Trickery! I'm sure Mr. Ritzmann has taken a long drive and was wobbly legged, so sucked ya right in there using those choice of words. Got sucked right into that one. Another writers trait.....So much. Then, there's that, comment about his Father being pissed when he got home. Would you worry that your parents are going to be pissed when you are following them, and went through that kind of trauma? Hell no!! No pics, a bunch of bs, spells "not sold".

It seems as though Mr Ritzmann is an aspiring writer, and he is very much into ufology, however can show no proof other than these "supposed writings". Ladies and gentleman, I'm afraid we've been tested rather thoroughly, and to be honest, I hadn't bit into it from the very first word.

Also, it is apparent that he jumps from sight to sight to put in his two bits, but never staying in one place to long. Actually, he doesn't appear to be married, either. That, I cannot verify. However, I am far from sold, and certainly will not contribute any more to this thread, unless he comes up with proof. Some elaborate plan to hone his skills of writing, and tricking people to see how successful his book will be. Just my opinion, but here's some of the sights. I can't believe so many bought into this crock!!!!!

www.rense.com... Just commentary, but certainly his wanting to be involved with ufology and desire to write.

www.ufoevidence.org...
This sight is where he supposedly filmed a UFO in Pensacola Florida. Show me the Video. Never showed anyone, but told the news he camcorded it..HMMMM.....

www.amazon.ca...
Mr. Ritzmann reviewing other books written regarding abductions, etc...

www.geocities.com...
And lastly, his proffession.

I'm not going to flat out say he's a liar, but when you come across as a writer, with no proof, no pics, and some good metaphors, but a history of involvement in the subject, but say it scares you to death, I cannot buy into that. Enjoy your book.



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 02:23 AM
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Okay, he's a writer. How many millions of people on this planet are writers? What percentage of those writers write about UFO and paranormal topics? How many even think about a camera or a video at a time when they scared out of their minds?

How many come across as "real"? The 100 or so books I've read don't come across as real. There are glaring errors in them. If Mr Ritzmann did post a video or photo, how long would it be till you tore it apart?

There are stories on here which are obvious hoaxes. This isn't one of them.



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 06:04 AM
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I don't think the fact that he is a writer is an indication he is lying. The "well-written descriptions", being able to describe things and dates usually indicates the person is being truthful.

As for pictures and videos. they aren't needed, and they would only be called "fakes".

I had hoped to read more of his story and that he could continue this thread, but if that doesn't happen, it's ok.



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 08:18 AM
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I Really like this thread its one of the main reasons i joined this forum! i think that you are extreamly brave to share all of your experiances with us and i thank you for that.

i wish you all the luck in the world with things at your end and we will all be here when you are ready to write some more.

thanks again

E.Q



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 09:40 AM
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I have been in contact with Jeff quite consistently and happen to know that he has had a run of bad luck recently. It is not my place to tell anyone the circumstances but suffice it to say he is not gone nor has he abandoned this thread.

He has been quite involved in UFO research for years. He is quite a talented writer but I can assure you he is an honest man.



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 10:48 AM
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Big
to Jeff for this thread. I understand, as I'm sure Jeff does, the skepticism sure to arise whenever someone relates this type of info. He readily admits he doesn't understand what's going on, and I have huge admiration for his willingness to come forward.

This is the type of thread that deserves some support to the OP for his courage in coming forward. I'm totally convinced he's relating what's occurred and although it's a ripping good story and he does an excellent job of reportage, that doesn't mean it's not accurate.

Best to you, Jeff, and I hope all your issues are resolved to your satisfaction.

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posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 12:03 PM
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He must have had some pretty bad "computer problems" -- it's been quite a while since he has posted!

Anyway, I thoroughly enjoyed reading what you posted, Jeff. Something about your tone and attention to detail make your account seem credible. Also, I tend to write off most abduction experiences that occur in bed, because most are so easily explained by sleep paralysis. However, you have had experiences in a variety of places...interesting, to say the least.



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 12:49 PM
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I'll play along for a moment,

Whether Jeff, or Whether not Jeff has been in contact with EBE's, not every abductee has to be inarticulate to add to their credibility.

I've never been abducted, but I surf and comment on forums and websites related to UFO phenomena, just as your research has shown Jeff to do. I understand that many abductees do the same to find people to relate too.

I will give you props for doing some investigating, just as we as readers here should do.


Deny Ignorance,

-ADHD



posted on Jun, 15 2006 @ 01:36 PM
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Well, I understand that it is a great narrative, but if he's so afraid, why speak about it again? After all, I took it literally. To comment on books, and actually state he's videocammed a 13 second ufo clip personally: Where's the evidence? Why even film it, if he's so afraid to revisit alien experienceds? It just makes no sense. Now suppose he really isn't afraid, but states so. Do you really think he is going to post this for the first time here without at least presenting some photos? Or that 13 second video perhaps? Which has nothing to do with this story. Yes, it's credibility, and this subject is not for writers. This sight to me is established for proof. He states he has proof, but states he will not post photos. But worries about copyrights, and puts a copyright on his post. Then states to us, this story is copyrighted already. Apparently, hes decided he possibly will write a book. Sounds to me like he's too much time on his hands, and is pasting what was already written in that book.. Write your book, and sell it. But don't try to sell it here. Proof. Sure, he can post a photo. And maybe it will get chopped, maybe it will get applauded as the real thing. But without it, this whole thread is just a great sci-fi fantasy. I can get this at Barnes and Nobel. With decent pics too. (:



posted on Jul, 9 2006 @ 01:13 PM
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To put it simply, if you're going to post your alien encounter experiences be sure you can back it up.
I haven't had any alien encounters, but if I had I would keep my mouth shut unless I could give some kind of solid proof.





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