Originally posted by ConspiracyNut23
Some experiences, (ie Billy Meier, Earth Sister etc.) could be just that... hallucinations. Experiencers surely don't believe ALL the claims of
other abductees. For example jritzmann (this thread's OP) is one of the most ardent critic of Billy Meier.
You got that right buddy, among many others. Many, many "players" in UFOOLogy hate me. I'm fine with that. Especially in that case.
But now, lemme tell ya a story about one person I didnt believe worth a damn. It'll make you think. It certainly made me think twice about "nutty"
(pardon the expression) experiencers. And although I believe it was a rare instance, it's worth mentioning.
Years before I ever did a lecture or talked anywhere, I went to these MUFON regional meetings. They were always interesting and you got some info
on cases maybe happening right around your town. One big one was a state or so away, and I went with Jill.
We met some folks we'd met in local circles, or thru my photo/video analysis work, and were outside during one of the breaks. A small group of
folks were talking and mingled within were some people I knew I wanted to say hello to.
As we stood there, Jill began talking with a person we'll call Ricky...I didnt hear what they were saying as I was involved in talking to someone
else. I finished up and walked over to where Jill was and caught the end...
"So, when did..." Jill said
"oop, I have to stop talking, theyre listening again....you hear that??" Ricky interrupted.
Jill gave me that look men get from their wives sometimes...you know, the "get me the f*k out of here" look.
"Well lets head in" I said as we quickly walked away. Ricky quickly latched onto the next person close around and began rambling.
"You know I believe and have seen what's going on with you...you know I believe it's real...but that guy was a raving nut....he thinks theyre
constantly listening to him and spying...my God, he's seriously not right mentally, you can just tell."
I knew exactly that kind of person. You can just tell there's something not right. They act paranoid beyond suspicious...edgy beyond cautious. I had
to explain to Jill that the field did attract such "fringe" elements, those with clear mental issues, or sociological problems. Most times they were
easily identifiable. This guy certainly was.
Months later, we saw Ricky again. We brought him up to some others we knew from the meetings, and you always got the same rolling eyes "oh yeah..."
We were told by someone who'd briefly dealt with Ricky's case that he wasnt mentally stable, and was on some heavy meds for mental issues. There
were *many* mental issues.
So, in essence, you didnt believe him...or that he was experiencing anything other then mental delusions from mental issues or medication. If he
talked to you, you smiled and nodded, and got out of conversation as quick as you could. Generally, I steered clear. Most everyone at meetings or
conferences knew this person was not stable...and nobody put any validity on him or his story. Rightly so I suppose.
Maybe 3 years later, I was talking to another researcher, and we were discussing cases in the area. The subject of mental issues came up, and I
brought up "Ricky".
"well ya know he was institutionalized for awhile." the researcher said.
"well thats actually good, I felt sorry for him..it must be horrible to have such problems that literally haunt you....I mean where ya gonna run,
when it's in your head." I said.
"well you didnt lemme finish man" the researcher said, "while he was in the hospital, I got a call from 4 of his nieghbors. They were having a
cookout and towards dusk a disc stopped over Ricky's house. They said a green light came out the bottom and covered the house as well as part of the
2 adjacent houses. 2 people witnessed the party goers go silent and still as the light hit them...they were under a deck and not only saw the sighting
and light, but it's effect on people. Then it left. Ricky wasnt home."
The researcher sat back and looked at me.
"You gotta be kidding." I said.
"Nope". he replied, never looking away from me "Maybe we all thought he was crazy and saw aliens...maybe he saw aliens first, and thats the after
effect. Not everyone handles it as well as you ya know."
"Oh yeah I'm the pinnacle of strength, I got no time to be crazy, I'm too busy screaming." I laughed.
"You have to wonder how many people are literally broken mentally by this." he said.
"Yeah" I replied...and we moved on in conversation.
You do have to wonder, if it isnt the reverse of what we think in some cases. That, "oh so and so's off their rocker, they aint seeing
aliens...theyre just nuts.", is it possibly that these were experiencers broken by the experience so much that they build on it to the point of our
friend Ricky....to the point of mental illness ensuing.
While they certainly cant be counted on for any sort of investigation, or even reliable accounts of their experience, I think we need to be a bit
aware that people like our "Ricky " exist. I for one didnt look on such "fringe" people the same again. I didnt take all their information or
accounts into my own research, but I also didnt nod and walk away either.
I have to note that "Ricky" isnt the real name, for that matter I dont recall the name. The male attribute may or may not be correct. Changed to
protect the innocent, and all that. But I assure ya, they were a real person, and the story is the best as I can recollect. There wasnt any more that
I can remember about them or the sighting.
Anyway, not sure what point I was trying to make, it was an interesting tidbit from my days of researching hardcore. I know it blew me away...the
person I least expected to think was actually having an experience...apparently was. Either way you look at it, it does show to me the detrimental
effect the experience can have on some.
All the more reason I'm glad not to be a part of it anymore.
[edit on 15-7-2006 by jritzmann]