I've eaten raw onion to help rid of colds or flu, no proof, but I think it helped it go away much faster. I do believe onions and other pungent spices and herbs have good medicine built right in.

I drink tea at work, I soak the bag for 3-5 minutes, I heard that tea's cancer fighting chemicals get degraded by another chemical after the 5 minutes is up.

When you cut garlic, leave it air for 15 minutes, the air converts a chemical (alicin, or allanin?) to another form which apparently fights cancer or helps to prevent it.

In all my years here on planet Earth, I've read about many cancer breakthroughs and cures found, yet the old ways are still being used. To me then it is true and settled.
A cured person is not profitable, keep them just sick enough to keep buying the cure again and again with the hope they get better.
And that brings me to another thing, if cancer was cured, the donations would stop and researchers would find themselves out of work, and not making pharmacuetical grade snake oil.
The cure is the carrot on the stick which motivates the dog (money machine).

I think Lazarus raises a very important issue. Mental well being is seemingly just as important in fighting disease as physical well being. I'm not religious, so I can't really offer any sort of divine explanation, but to me it seems to boil down to people who want to get better will mentally soften certain pains and symptoms, they will continue to exercise even when in pain, will continue their medications instead of giving up, etc. This, in my experience, has a tremendous effect on the patient's well-being as a whole. Obviously, not ever chipper person survives cancer, but I think someone who resigns themselves to death is much more likely to ignore a doctor's suggestions and ultimately will die.

~MFP

Hey Stompk.

As you can see, it's really quite pointless to argue with anyone supposedly representing the MD community. I like to call them True Believers. They quite frankly act more like High Priests then humanitarians pursuing the ideals expressed in Hypocratic Oath.

The really amusing part is the way they violate the basic concepts of the pursuit of science... You know where you actually complete the feedback loop and evaluate the EFFECTIVENESS of the treatment/approach.

'I don't get it! My chemo patients keep dying...'

Shhh! You'll wake them from their clueless reverie...

For them, it's all about the money.

I really do feel for them. Gotta make those deluxe car, house, etc payments. And realistically, from their point of view, there is NO money in healthy people.

They get especially rilled up if you talk about the absolute insanity that passes for 'medical treatment' for the disease called cancer. Unfortunately, because of the monopoly on helping people enjoyed by MDs (unless you are a drug company ), we have to always be speaking in code instead of really trying to help people.

In looking at your detractors responses, I don't seem to note any interest in what might be construed about the possiblity of helping people. Is it just me, or does it come off as Attack! Attack! Attack! Bad Stompk! Bad Stompk!

I'm sorry...

Cancer is a disease of toxicity. It's also a disease of malnourishment. As has been correctly pointed out, all people with cancer have serious ph problems (read their ph is extremely acidic).

Any 8 year old with an aquarium knows that acidic ph = bad, neurtal ph = good (7.0 for you ph challenged guys ). Why is it doctors can't seem to get their heads around that?

So, Stompk, I see your hawking onions.

Good for you! I hawk celery stalks. Eat two of those puppies every day (along with NO salt!!!) and a lot of those 'digestive' problems just fad away (in about two weeks). And if you are really bold eat a yogurt or two every day...

Contrary to what those 'acid reflux' nitwits are telling you... You want high acidity in your stomach. But your stomach won't do that unless your stomach lining is properly coated. Without HIGH acidity your food doesn't get properly broken down, your flip-flop mechanism gets broken down (when acidic stomach content gets neutralized to base for food absorbtion by your intestines) and you wind up overstressing your digestive support glands...

But I digress.

I get the impression that one reason some of our MD friends are so touchy, is because they've been exposed...

Philosophically speaking, it's a numbers game, people that tend to follow the dietary regimes hinted at by whackjobs like Stompk and myself, well... they seem to live!

People that follow the MD path, with all that chemo and really cool shaved head stuff, well... they seem to die these really hideous deaths!

I mean WHERE is the justice in that?

Thanks for your efforts Stompk.

Originally posted by stompk
Recently, I've been working on a cure to cancer. I heard something about battery acid killing bacteria, and I have a family member with cancer, so I looked into it. My research lead me to the onion. The onion is full of sodium trioxide, which when combined with water, creates sulfuric acid, hence the burning eyes. I've been eating a 1/4 of a raw onion each morning, washing it down with water with a teaspoon of salt, with astounding affects. This produces natural hydrochloric acid in our stomach, the key to proper digestion. I went on a health forum site to discuss my find. This was this morning. They have already removed my thread, and I'm not allowed to post anymore, without any explanation, even though I emailed them and asked why. My website explains my theory more, and has an interesting link about similar stuff happening to others. I think the government, tied directly with the medical industry, is keeping us sick and taking our money.

Mod Edit: Please Check Your U2Us

[edit on 28-3-2006 by WyrdeOne]

This has been a remedy for all kinds of ailments for a long time. It is not a new discovery. And you are right, it does work!

The really amusing part is the way they violate the basic concepts of the pursuit of science... You know where you actually complete the feedback loop and evaluate the EFFECTIVENESS of the treatment/approach.

So let me get this straight, I'm not evaluating the "effectiveness" of this "treatment" by telling stompk that the compounds he's using don't exist in onions and that the reactions he's describing are chemically impossible due to issues of valence and bonding affinity?

I really do feel for them. Gotta make those deluxe car, house, etc payments. And realistically, from their point of view, there is NO money in healthy people.

In looking at your detractors responses, I don't seem to note any interest in what might be construed about the possiblity of helping people. Is it just me, or does it come off as Attack! Attack! Attack! Bad Stompk! Bad Stompk!

Are you serious? Deluxe car? Nice house? If you think I have this money, I'd be glad if you'd show me where it is. As a third year medical intern, I make about 33,000 Euro a year. That's about $45,000. When I am a graduated physician working in public health, I will make about 50,000 euro a year. Now, can you show me where I am reveling in money? Because my budget is in the red and will be for years...and years....and years....

Any 8 year old with an aquarium knows that acidic ph = bad, neurtal ph = good (7.0 for you ph challenged guys ). Why is it doctors can't seem to get their heads around that?

Blood pH fluctuates, but yes, does stay near 7.0 (actually a little above 7.0, but I won't be picky). Please read some information about the body's natural bicarbonate and carbonic acid buffer systems.

Contrary to what those 'acid reflux' nitwits are telling you... You want high acidity in your stomach. But your stomach won't do that unless your stomach lining is properly coated. Without HIGH acidity your food doesn't get properly broken down, your flip-flop mechanism gets broken down (when acidic stomach content gets neutralized to base for food absorbtion by your intestines) and you wind up overstressing your digestive support glands...

This is just blatantly wrong. Your body's stomach acid is NOT derived from acid in your diet. Basic stomach acid, HCl or hydrochloric acid, is created through dehydration of ionic chloring, found in many foods, salts, water, etc. This has nothing to do with acids in your diet. All an acid is is a compound capable of releasing a proton.

I get the impression that one reason some of our MD friends are so touchy, is because they've been exposed...

I tell patients to take multivitamins and zinc supplements almost everyday. Remind me how I've been "exposed" ?

Philosophically speaking, it's a numbers game, people that tend to follow the dietary regimes hinted at by whackjobs like Stompk and myself, well... they seem to live!

People that follow the MD path, with all that chemo and really cool shaved head stuff, well... they seem to die these really hideous deaths!

Yes, you're right. No person who eats healthy has EVER gotten cancer and died, you're absolutely right. Cancer is totally beaten by vegetables and a healthy diet. Maybe that's what's wrong with wild animals who develop cancerous tumors, all those McDonald's meals they're eating. Can you please explain to me how animals in nature develop cancers, and perhaps how antive Americans and ancient civilizations document cancers even before processed foods?

~MFP

Well, I don't understand the chemistry posts, etc., but I do believe one thing that was mentioned in previous posts.

I do believe that it is more lucrative to treat cancer (and other diseases) than it is to cure it. While my father spent a year dying slowly by chemo poisoning, I had the opportunity to watch the medical community in action.

Medicine in the 21st century is all about money. You, the patient, are a resource to be bled dry, pun intended, then left for dead.

No one cares.

Medicine is a business. Never forget that when you're dealing with anyone in medicine. Never.

Originally posted by stompk
..... But most of all, God has asked me to look into it. Please don't try to tell me that I don't know God.

Sorry buddy, that is when your credibility died in my eyes. How did 'God' ask you to look into it? Did he e mail you? Send a text message? Or did he appear in a pizza?

[edit on 29-3-2006 by Englishman_in_Spain]

derfyxxx:

I think you're right on with the natural angle. In some areas of medical treatment, I no longer have much faith in high-tech approaches.

Mother is the necessity of invention.

As far as America goes, most people are not motivated (to fix/solve problems) so they do not see a need (though there are many out there who are motivated). American government (the fed), spends more money annually on tort litigation than on science research and development, and even then there is a large portion of that R&D funding which goes to weapons and other defense measures, so take that into concideration. Private American companies also spend more on tort litigation anually than they do R&D. The need is clear: we need more tort litigation, not research or better engineering facilities or particle accelerators or whatver helps the science/engineering agenda.

Example: Some of the best particel accelerators in the world (located here in the US) will end their funding in the coming 10 years without any replacement. RHIC needed a $13 million dollar donation from a NY billionaire to keep itself running. These accelerators and the experiments run from them do have application in medicine and electronic technology.

Medicine is a very important (so to speak) field in biology research, but computers are very important in all fields of research in all catagories of science and engineering. Running a test on a fractional distillation column takes time and cost a lot of money. So now, more plants are using computer simulations to run these test, thus saving money and time. Computers are also great for modeling proteins, amino acids, other biologically (and non-biologically) important molecules and chemical bonds.

Necessity is the mother of invention.

The US had more undergraduate degrees award in sports science than in electrical/computer engineering (from what I hear). I know there are current pandemic articles sprouting up about the US falling behind in the R&D department, etc... Most of these articles are scare tactics, the US is still the leader in science by far amongst any country. But, I do not think a nation can function optimally and compete with the best nations in the world in science and engineering if 1/3 of degree holding citizens are history majors, just my opinion, but that seems to be the path the US is treading.

I say 1/3 because 1/3 of the undergraduates at my school are LA majors, fascinating, and about 1/3 of undergraduate degrees are awarded in LA. I won't say which university, but the student undergraduate body is about 28k strong.

As far as graduates went, there were far more undergraduate degrees awarded in Pyschology, History, economics, and Political science than there were in Chemical engineering, electrical/computer engineering, in fact all fields of engineering. Blah!

What does this have to do with the discussion? Well, not much, but I hope it reflects a bit at the state of the union, where it is heading, and why we have such snakeskin oil sellsmen in this day and age.

[edit on 29-3-2006 by Frosty]

Wow, I'm humbled by the fantastic debate. Please take the time to read the links. One side says keep up the good work doc/FDA. The other side says, well, your "cures" aren't curing anything. In fact, things seem to be getting worse.

Don't get me wrong. I'm a Desert Storm veteran, and I was stabbed in the stomach and the throat, and if it were not for some quick thinking from a medic, and a great doc and his staff, I wouldn't be here today.

Could the medical intern please tell me the chemical reaction that happens when we cut an onion and we tear up because of sulphuric acid in a chemical formula so that I may correctly understand this? This would help me in my research, since my knowledge of chemistry is far below yours. Not being sarcastic, truly want to know.

The onion is highly acidic, yes, but is also to the far left on the alkaline chart (meaning high alkaline, ranks right up there with broccoli). So is garlic, herbal tea, lemon, limes to name a few. Interesting note, olive oil has more alkaline than flax seed oil. All good foods, and Gods medicine.

So, all those who are content with the current "cure" to cancer, stand up and say I. Otherwise, get in here and post your opinions and ideas. I, for one, will not attack you, no matter how "out there" you may think your idea is.
Together, we can solve this right here, right now. I am not afraid. This won't be the first time my character has been attacked for my ideas.

By the way, the plum, in late ripe stage, near fermentation, I'm told, can cure any virus, even AIDS. I have been researching this too. It's interesting to note, Serbia, a country with one of the lowest AIDS occurence, drinks plum wine as their national drink.

I'm in the fifth day of eating 1/4 raw onion, washing it down with warm salt water. Eating that much raw onion is harder than it sounds, but I feel great!. Not that I was sick before. I'm hoping to find someone in early stage of cancer who is willing to give it a try. My wifes aunt has late stage cancer, and she just went under the knife to remove a lung. I protested, but she has been brainwashed by her doctors too. What next, remove her brain so she can't think about being sick?

You want to know what makes me sick. People, who value money more than life. How can a doctor state that our stomach is not important? It's the gateway to our body, unless you inhale your food. You can't tell me that the stomach wall doesn't ingest nutrients through osmosis. To state the opposite, to me, is utter quackery. This is the kind of thinking that has got me fired up enough to take action. I would like to know how many doctors out there are dying from cancer. If they are, then all that schooling doesn't hold much value if you can't save your own life. But if they aren't, then it just goes to show, we are getting the wool pulled over our eyes, and it's a matter of life and death.

I hope this helps you understand the chemical reaction more

There are many different sulfur-containing compounds in each species, and it has been difficult to study them because the molecules change when the cells are opened or as they volatilize. In Allium cepa, a chemical called 1-propenesulfenic acid is transformed into the "lacrimatory factor," propanethial S-oxide. When the lacrimatory factor becomes dissolved in eye fluid, it is hydrolyzed into propionaldehyde, hydrogen sulfide, and sulfuric acid, which cause the burning sensation. This produces tearing from the lacrimal glands and lacrimal sacs, whose function is to clean, lubricate, and moisten the eyeball by producing a watery solution containing salts. Here the secretion helps to dilute the acid and thereby wash the irritating substance from the eye.

Make of this what you will.

When you mentioned plums and their link to fighting AIDS i may be able to offer an alternative reason why this is the case. Xylitol, which is a naturally occuring sugar found in plums amongst many other foods was proven to aid the production of glutathione( a potent liver anti-oxidant) thus improving the strength of the liver and its ability to metabolize toxins and foriegn substances, which in turn would greatly improve the immune systems defences.Agree?
You might want to do some reading into xylitol and its many health benefits. It works on bacteria mainly in the mouth becasue of its chemical make up which i dont understand but it has one less carbon atom than normal sugar and does not allow bacteria to grow on or around it thus rendering a less infected mouth and healthy teeth and gums.

Peace

Sparky

No problem Stompk, anytime.

I agree wholeheartedly with you that the FDA would suppress any cures for any multimillion pound industry regrdless of the benefits to the sheeple.

Look at Dr schulze the herbal doctor i believe he has the cure for all diseases and his practices have been shutdown in the past but he now has the power of the internet to sell and offer people the alternative solution to just about every known disease. He believes that if all organs in your body are working optimally then you will reach perfect health and fight off disease as easy as wiping S**t from your shoe.

He has a 28 days incurables program which includes a kit for detoxing every major organ in the body;
colon, kidneys, liver. Also you get green superfood with chlorela, spirulina and a whole host of other superfoods known to build blood and replenish oxygen and energy in your cells. I have watched the seminars he has had and literally watched hundreds of people burst out crying thanking him for curing them of every and any illness you could think of.
He knows his stuff and has many medical papers with diagrams detailing how his herbal mixtures work at detoxing your organs and how synergystically your body can heal itself if given the right support through nutrition and superfoods.

I beleive you might be onto something with the onion thing, not sure about cancer though. I would rather believe than an onion can act as an antibiotic and literally burn parasites, fungi, yeast and clean your blood. This in turn would prevent any malevloent build up or mutation of cells to become caner, thus i suppose you could say that an onion will greatly reduce your cancer risk and every other disease for that matter.

Today i ate a raw onion and it was difficult but i could literally feel the sulfuric acid ,when ever i breathed , burning my sinuses and killing any bacteria. Consequently i have no sniffed or felt the need to spit up fleme as i often do because of a sinus problem. So maybe you and i are onto something. I will try to take an onion a day raw and tell you how my body feels in a few days.

I know my body inside out and would be able to note any minor changes in my physical energy and niggling ailments.

Hydrochloric acid is very very essential to optimal digestion as it burns everything you put into your mouth into a cellular form which can be absorbed and further digested all down the intestinal tract,but i dont know how that would stop cancer so if you could explain more of your findings and i can discuss them with you.

Peace

Sparky

Originally posted by sparkyloveandlight

I agree wholeheartedly with you that the FDA would suppress any cures for any multimillion pound industry regrdless of the benefits to the sheeple.

No, this is not at all how the FDA operates. They do not do research to find cures, for anything. They more or less review the content of published material and current drugs. They haven't supressed anything beyond the availablity of a few drugs to be off-the-shelf products.

The NIH is who is given large amounts of government dollars to do research, and currently researchers and medical doctors are not debating the issues of supression of any cures. Instead the closest hot-topic debate is the publication of known material.

I have watched the seminars he has had and literally watched hundreds of people burst out crying thanking him for curing them of every and any illness you could think of.

I've also seen crazy religious people on television "healing" people, and I've seen people crying saying they were cured by these people. Are you suggesting that's the only criterion required to make someone legitimate?

He knows his stuff and has many medical papers with diagrams detailing how his herbal mixtures work at detoxing your organs and how synergystically your body can heal itself if given the right support through nutrition and superfoods.

Oh, well, diagrams, nevermind then .

I would rather believe than an onion can act as an antibiotic and literally burn parasites, fungi, yeast and clean your blood. This in turn would prevent any malevloent build up or mutation of cells to become caner, thus i suppose you could say that an onion will greatly reduce your cancer risk and every other disease for that matter.

So, remind me how onions could "burn parasites, fungi, yeast and clean your blood"? Any acidic compound found in onions does NOT enter the blood as an acid. That would kill you.

Today i ate a raw onion and it was difficult but i could literally feel the sulfuric acid ,when ever i breathed , burning my sinuses and killing any bacteria. Consequently i have no sniffed or felt the need to spit up fleme as i often do because of a sinus problem. So maybe you and i are onto something. I will try to take an onion a day raw and tell you how my body feels in a few days.

Oh please . There is no sulfuric acid in onions. There is a sulfur containing compound, but an acid that makes not.

I know my body inside out and would be able to note any minor changes in my physical energy and niggling ailments.

Well, then I guess you would never need any CT scans or other tomography scans done then, huh? You could "sense" you have a cancerous tumor? Even if it was a small cyst on your kidney?

Hydrochloric acid is very very essential to optimal digestion as it burns everything you put into your mouth into a cellular form which can be absorbed and further digested all down the intestinal tract,but i dont know how that would stop cancer so if you could explain more of your findings and i can discuss them with you.

Wrong, wrong, wrong! PLEASE do not defy common knowledge biochemistry in order to squeeze your idea into the realm of science. Yes, hydrochloric acid is a necessary part of your diet, but it does not "burn everything you put in your mouth". Acids don't "burn" anything you eat. They hydrolyze some compounds, and then enzymes step in and convert the compounds into usable metabolites. Also, foods aren't broken down into "cellular" forms, simply because most do not exist as "cells", per se. When you cook any meats or vegetables, you are denaturing proteins and disrupting cells. The foods you are digesting are in the forms of carbohydrates, proteins, fats, oils, etc. NOT cells.

~MFP