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Originally posted by Seeking Nirvana
Now, I'm not a christian and I don't have the bible memorized from cover to cover
Shortness, I admitted to my shortcomings in my post.
If you're a true christian you have a lot to learn about humility.
Originally posted by orangetom1999
there is no contradiction between Matthew 7:1 and John 7:24.
Once one understands that Rightiousness is one of His names among many...one understands that the judgement must be of Him ..not of the traditions of or customs of men. THe Judgements we use must be of Him/Righteousness. Not our own. This requires discernment..knowlege..wisdom...of Him.
From time to time in our walk here on this earth we must make these judgements. Not because we want to..make them but because this world will not allow us anything else. Furthermore this world will often deceive us about much of this and judging...so as to get us to mix leven and unleven..new wine with olde...as stated previously.
Thanks,
Orangetom
Originally posted by Shortness
Remember when Elijah made fire come down from heaven in front of 50 or a hundred pagan priests ( i forgot the number ) What did Elijah do? Oh yes thats right, he told then to shout louder when Elijah was dueling those priests to see who was the true God.
Its funny how people say WE SHOULDNT JUDGE NO ONE, and yet John the Baptist did exactly that....
Mark 6:18 (Whole Chapter)
For John had said unto Herod, It is not lawful for thee to have thy brother's wife.
and in the end he got his head chopped off for it. TOO BAD FOR JOHN THE BAPTIST BECAUSE HE WONT GO TO HEAVEN because he judged somebody /sarcasm
Originally posted by Shortness
But the bible did say that in the end before Christ Second Coming that it'll be like in Lot's day, so prophecy is being fulfilled RIGHT NOW with the increase of Homosexuality.
Luke 17
26And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
Genesis 6
1And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,
2That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.
3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.
4There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
5And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
7And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
8But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
9These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.
10And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
11The earth also was corrupt before God, and the earth was filled with violence.
12And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.
13And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Genesis 18
20And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
21I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
Genesis 19
1And there came two angels to Sodom at even; and Lot sat in the gate of Sodom: and Lot seeing them rose up to meet them; and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground;
2And he said, Behold now, my lords, turn in, I pray you, into your servant's house, and tarry all night, and wash your feet, and ye shall rise up early, and go on your ways. And they said, Nay; but we will abide in the street all night.
3And he pressed upon them greatly; and they turned in unto him, and entered into his house; and he made them a feast, and did bake unleavened bread, and they did eat.
4But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of Sodom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter:
5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.
Originally posted by Shortness
Originally posted by orangetom1999
there is no contradiction between Matthew 7:1 and John 7:24.
Once one understands that Rightiousness is one of His names among many...one understands that the judgement must be of Him ..not of the traditions of or customs of men. THe Judgements we use must be of Him/Righteousness. Not our own. This requires discernment..knowlege..wisdom...of Him.
From time to time in our walk here on this earth we must make these judgements. Not because we want to..make them but because this world will not allow us anything else. Furthermore this world will often deceive us about much of this and judging...so as to get us to mix leven and unleven..new wine with olde...as stated previously.
Thanks,
Orangetom
So by your reasoning everytime the word righteousness is said in teh bible we have to apply it to the "Righteousness" who is God? Sorry, but i think that's your own reasoning. Perhaps we should look up righteousness with a concordance in its context and see if its really talking about the righteousness of God or is it just a word? here i'll do it for you...
(snip)
HEY LOOK, the very first entry it says OBSERVING DIVINE LAW. AHem, wouldn't that include the sin of homosexuality? I think so alex!
Originally posted by Shortness
Yes i can be rude,
Originally posted by Shortness
but honest christians need to ask themselves, am i following the bible or am i following my own way but God will still accept me. NO, that ain't going to happen, Sodom and Gomorrah burned because of thier immorality, and to be frank, so will unrepented homesexuals.
Originally posted by Shortness
Am i judging you for saying that? Nope, I can only state what the Bible says, and if the bible says thieves, killers, adulterors will not see the kingdom of heaven, how is it any different if i say homosexuals will not see the kingdom of heaven?
Originally posted by Shortness
And for the record, the doctrine that hell last forever and ever for all of eternity is a lie, the wages of sin is DEATH. If you look in the bible it also said Sodom and Gomorrah would burn with an everlasting fire...
Romans 6
23For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
a. the misery of the soul arising from sin, which begins on earth but lasts and increases after the death of the body in hell
Originally posted by Shortness
darkelf... you are seriously not contending that sodom and gomorrah was burned because of "violence" You do realize where the word sodomite and sodomy came from right? Or how Lot had to get the 2 angels disguised as men into his home before the MALE inhabitants of the city tried to rape them?
2 Timothy 4
1I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
5But watch thou in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, make full proof of thy ministry.
Originally posted by Seeking Nirvana
shortness, I have to agree with Darkelf. You don't need to be rude. It's not necessary. Being rude will only cause people to not listen to you. If you want people to see your point there's a lot that you could from a Navigator. One of the goals of a Navigator is personal transformation to Christlikeness. I can guarantee you that rudeness is not something they value in their discipleship.
Originally posted by Shortness
Galatians 4:16 Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Originally posted by Shortness
Matthew 15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
27And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
28Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour.
WOWZ, JESUS called someone a DOG. /gasp
Originally posted by Shortness
Didn't Jesus call the pharisees hypocrites? WHAT RUDENESS, JESUS IS A MEAN PERSON WAHHHHHHHHHH.
Originally posted by Shortness
And if what Jesus is saying is love, how is it any different when someone says the act of homosexuality is a sin?
King James Version
John 3
16For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Originally posted by Shortness
1 Kings 18:26And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying, O Baal, hear us. But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they leaped upon the altar which was made.
27And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said, Cry aloud: for he is a god; either he is talking, or he is pursuing, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.
WHAT? Elijah, a prophet of God, mocking people? WHAT RUDENESS, WE SHOULD NEVER BE RUDE!
Originally posted by Shortness
Acts 7:51 Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.
52Which of the prophets have not your fathers persecuted? and they have slain them which shewed before of the coming of the Just One; of whom ye have been now the betrayers and murderers:
53Who have received the law by the disposition of angels, and have not kept it.
54When they heard these things, they were cut to the heart, and they gnashed on him with their teeth.
WHATS THAT STEPHEN? YOU RUDE GUY YOU, calling people murderers while preaching and making them stone you! Don't you know preachers should have ethics? we should never be mean!!
Originally posted by Shortness
2 great examples of great Godly men, who showed a little "rudeness" to get thier point across. My question is, people who are offended on what i had to say, doesn't that kinda seem like the same thing that happened when the pharisees got offended and stoned stephen? hrMRmrRmz.
Originally posted by Shortness
WHAT? Elijah, a prophet of God, mocking people? WHAT RUDENESS, WE SHOULD NEVER BE RUDE!
Originally posted by Seeking Nirvana
shortness, you crack me.
you take yourself too seriously so step down from your pedestal, take your self-righteous attitude and shove it.
Also, I agree with transparency. When you become a prophet of God, you can come mock me as well.
[edit on 3-5-2006 by Seeking Nirvana]
Originally posted by Shortness
How about when during the reformation artists would depict Christ sitting on an ass in all his meekness and humbleness in contrast with the pope adorned in his triple crowned tiaras and his throne being carried off by his followers? WAS THAT MEAN OF THE ARTISTS?
Originally posted by darkelf
Originally posted by Shortness
How about when during the reformation artists would depict Christ sitting on an ass in all his meekness and humbleness in contrast with the pope adorned in his triple crowned tiaras and his throne being carried off by his followers? WAS THAT MEAN OF THE ARTISTS?
Blessed are the meek. What is meek if not mildness of temperament or gentleness of spirit? Was Jesus meek? Are we who call ourselves by His Holy name meek?
Shortness, this sarcastic response does nothing for your argument. Please, I ask you again, can you not make your argument without the sarcasm?
Originally posted by darkelf
YES! Shortness, you are correct. The Bible does indeed lable homosexuality as a sin. Where you and I parted company was I do not believe that ALL homosexuals are going to hell. The Bible condems the act. It does not condem the person unless that person is living in unrepentant sin. But that person is already condemmed, so to reiterate the point is moot.
Shorness, I really agree with you more than you realise. I just don't agree with your delivery. There is no fault in revealing the sin. Just remember that only God knows who is a sinner and who is a sinner saved by grace.