yeah majic I can see your point.
here is small sample. I have two more jpgs to get up (the best ones including the "star map", both of which are over the 1024kb limit of
imageshack. Once i fiqure out how to get them up I will post them.
As far as Danikens book goes I never said i buy his theory I just said it is a great place for pics of Nasca lines not often seen. In address to the
original question of this thread in my opinion it is impossible to try to understand the Nasca lines (as ancient UFO runways or just Quecha holy
scrape drawings) without at least considering the Cabrera stones, the Nasca textiles and pottery, the puquios (they actually contain granite) and
local indiginous oral history.
As far as Cabrera goes: Several other individuals earlier then Cabrera tried very hard to validate the authenticity of the Cabrera stones (Soldi
bros., Agurto Calvo, and others), and in some cased managed to do so back to Inca and pre-Inca cultures. It wasn't until Cabrera tried to push it
back to the millions of years old that people began to have a hard time with their authenticity. He basically beleives they are from the Mesosoic
era, which in turn places homo sapien man in the same ancient time frame. (I cant say I can swallow that far back, but I do beleive they are from an
ancient pre-deluge humanity) If they are even 250,000 years old, his theories as well as their authenticity would destroy the current historical and
scientific version of not only the antiquity of the original Peruvians but also all of mankind on earth. It also would demonstrate that ancient man
developed a spiritual and technological society uncomparable even today. But what if he is right? What if? If he is right what better topic to
address on an ancient and lost civilization that the proposed most ancient and most lost?
When Basilio Uchuya and Senora Aparcana were taken into custody by the PIP and questioned, they had to say the falsed the stones or go to jail as
"huaqueros". Can you blame them? In an effort to deny ignorance I will say a lot doesnt add up. The forgers time frame and rate of production
doesn't match up. (if they made 3 stones a day over the 10 years they gave for a time frame they were forging stones they would have actually needed
23 years) Where they dug the etimated 25,000 stones were not the two small pits they showed the reporters. They even contradicted themselves in their
own confessions. The same false stone was used in both articles as evidence they were fake. These pheasents would have had to have been masters at
knowing extinct animals anatomy, reproductive cycles, star/comet knowledge, surgery, and acupuncture, and anti-gravity technology to say the least to
forge all of these stones. Many of the stones in Cabreras and others collections were larger then the size of an orange (the forgers said they only
made ones the size of an orange) some hundreds of times larger then an orange.
Cabrera actually claims to be able to tell the difference between "genuine" and "fake" stones, among which his ability to interpret the drawing,
level of oxidation on the stone, type of stone, scoring method etc. He also claims the ones he consideres genuine are from an era he labels
gliptolithic humanity. Later pre Inca and Inca cultures made some stones of their own, but even is some gravesites true Cabrera stones were found
among the later indicating they may have found some of the depots. In 1976 Daniken and the cheif architect of NASA (Joseph Blumrich) were shown
examples of "fake" and "genuine" stones by Cabrera and under the microscope the difference was indisputable. Cabrera also took four stones he
felt were genuine and had them analyzed. In 1967 Eric Wolf (geologist-Maricio Hochschild mining co. in Lima) and Dr. Fernando de la Casa and Dr.
Cesar Satillo (Facultad de Minas of the Lima Tech College) and both confirmed the level of oxidation on the stones was at least several thousand years
in his defense some of the tools and implements indicated in some of the stones have been found in the same geological stratum as dinosaurs (as well
as homo sapien bones), some of the stones support things like tectonic plate shifting, space travel, and cogintive energy, and he also predicted
Kohetek but who knows I cannot sum up his 256 page book in this thread but here is what i feel applies to the original ?
He feels these stones are a record left over from a prev tech advanced society who used their technology for good. Their spiritual and intellegent
society can be interpreted in some of the Nasca lines like the monkey, killer whale, hummingbird. He also warns modern man that because
industrilization and misuse of the earth that because we lack the ability to harness cognitive energy for long distance space travel like these former
inhabitants could we are dooming ourselves and creating another deluge we can not flee from (as many of these former inhabitants did to the Pleides).
He also claims what many others do that the lines are ancient runways, as part of the anti gravity and world grid.
as for the jpgs, the one with the pottery is an example Cabrera used to demonstrate ancient space travel, ie it is the landing and take off of an
ancient spacecraft. He asserts how many of the pottery and textiles use the same three levels of communication as the "genuine" Cabrera stones.
All together they make up an alleged giant record of pre-historic events, that not only contradicts the "way it is" but also validates history from
an indiginous perspective from not only Peru but other areas of the world. An unfortunately, indiginous perspective is not easily listened to by
sceintists, archeologists, and even some members of this forum, but what do I know with my 47 ats points after all.
I for one consider the Nasca lines a really cool topic and I cannot say I beleive these stones are millions of years old i definitley beleive they are
hundreds of thousands of years old but bottom line the Nasca lines can only been seen from the air and go beyond the borders of Peru.
Another interesting thing on some of these Nasca glyphs is some look like cave glyphs from all over the world. I'll get some jpgs up soon. I have
an interest in ancient worldwide rock drawings and thier similarities and I fascinated by the fact that many Nasca lines/glyphs resemble cave
petroglyphs on a much larger scale. www.morien-institute.org...
i'd hate to be a self appointed expert and chime in on every topic here but
Here is an example: www.viewzone.com...
of a kokapelli petroglyph from Scandanavia, this is a diety known among the Hopi
people in particular as a helper of mankind and one of the distributors of mankind around the world after the flood. note the reed boat, and think of
all of Perus ties to reed boats and Polynesias ties to reed boats and South America.
some dudes site with pics of colorado glyphs
a little background on some of the southwestern goeglyphs, as well as give you an idea of how sacred they are to the individual tribes.... i
personally do not beleive they are tied into the world grid but they are interesting to look at
picture of a European geoglyph for the really curious: www.morien-institute.org...
that can only be seen from the air. Note
sure if it is made of chalk like many Uk glyphs are or not
two different rock drawings very similiar in two different places.
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