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reply posted on 29-3-2006 @ 11:55 AM by byhiniur
www.cbsnews.com...

After listenin to Alex Jones last night I was startin to believe you Howard but this convinces me that some things are missing or replaced from the official stories. Either they planned it or let it happen.


You haven't explained how the heat got to the steel. Why didn't it melt the window frames? Why wasn't the whole thing up in flames?

Further, becasue skyscrapers are allowed to 'sway', as soon as one set of support frames are knocked away surely it would immediately begin to lean. Therefore your saying all the steel melted at within roughly the same second allowing a perfect fall.

[edit on 29/3/06 by byhiniur]


reply posted on 29-3-2006 @ 12:21 PM by HowardRoark
Originally posted by byhiniur
You haven't explained how the heat got to the steel. Why didn't it melt the window frames? Why wasn't the whole thing up in flames?


Heat rises. The hot combustion gasses rose to the ceiling level, where it heated up the thin truss chords and diagonals.



As you can see, the fires were pretty severe. Keep in mind that the WTC towers were four times larger than the Madrid tower.

For more information, I suggest you look at some of the data in the
NIST report on the fires.


Originally posted by byhiniur
Further, becasue skyscrapers are allowed to 'sway', as soon as one set of support frames are knocked away surely it would immediately begin to lean. Therefore your saying all the steel melted at within roughly the same second allowing a perfect fall.

[edit on 29/3/06 by byhiniur]


Skyscrapers are only designed to sway a few feet in in any direction. Any more and the windows pop out and the drywall cracks.

The initial impact damaged a number of columns. The loads borne up by those columns were distributed to the other columns.

As the fires caused the floors to sag, the exterior columns lost their ability to withstand buckling. (this was independent of the temperature of those columns). Some of these columns started to buckle inward. The loads from those columns was transfered to other columns.

Eventually all of the undamaged, or unbuckled columns were at or over their maximum load limit. At this point any additional column failures would propagate so rapidly through the remaining columns so they would appear to fail more or less simultaneously.



reply posted on 29-3-2006 @ 11:44 PM by Zaphod58
A total of 2,071 occupants of the World Trade Center died on September 11, among the 2,749 victims of the WTC attacks. According to an article in the October 11, 2001, Wall Street Journal, roughly 1,700 people had listed the religion of a person missing in the WTC attacks; approximately 10% were Jewish. A later article, in the September 5, 2002, Jewish Week, states, "based on the list of names, biographical information compiled by The New York Times, and information from records at the Medical Examiner's Office, there were at least 400 victims either confirmed or strongly believed to be Jewish." This would be approximately 15% of the total victims of the WTC attacks. A partial list of 390 Cantor Fitzgerald employees who died (out of 658 in the company) lists 49 Jewish memorial services, which is between 12% and 13%.

This 10-15% estimate of Jewish fatalities tracks closely with the percentage of Jews living in the New York area. According to the 2002 American Jewish Year Book, 9% of the population of New York State, where 64% of the WTC victims lived, is Jewish. A 2002 study estimated that New York City's population was 12% Jewish. Forty-three percent of the WTC victims lived in New York City. Thus, the number of Jewish victims correlates very closely with the number of Jewish residents in New York. If 4,000 Jews had not reported for work on September 11, the number of Jewish victims would have been much lower than 10-15%.

The following partial list of 76 Jewish World Trade Center victims includes many from companies that were located at or above where the planes hit. These include Cantor Fitzgerald, which lost 658 employees, Marsh & McLellan, which lost 295 employees, Aon Corporation, which lost 176 employees, and others.

usinfo.state.gov...

First, a question begs: Where did the precise figure of 4,000 Israelis come from? According to the Anti-Defamation League's Web site, on Sept. 11, the Israeli Embassy released a statement expressing concern about the 4,000 Israeli nationals LIVING IN NEW YORK CITY—few of whom actually worked in the World Trade Center. At press time, the embassy couldn't confirm this statement.

According to Nexis and the Google search engine, the first mention of Israeli involvement in the attacks came in a Sept. 17 report on Lebanon's Al-Manar Television www.paknews.com... The Los Angeles Times reports that the terrorist group Hezbollah has free access to Al-Manar's airwaves, and the station's Web site claims that the station exists to "stage an effective psychological warfare with the Zionist enemy."

The next day at 6:26 a.m., the American Web site Information Times published an article headlined "4,000 Jews Did Not Go To Work At WTC On Sept. 11," and credited it to an "AL-MANAR Television Special Investigative Report." This was not the first time that Information Times had pointed the finger at Israel. The day after the attacks, it warned in an article that the "terrorist government of Israel … cannot be ruled out" as a suspect. Information Times purports to be edited by Syed Adeeb from the eighth floor of the National Press Club at 549 15th St. NW, Washington, DC, 20045. The Press Club says it has no such tenant and repeated messages sent to the e-mail address for Syed Abeed listed on the site bounce back as undeliverable. Directory assistance for Washington, D.C., has no listing for Information Times.

www.geocities.com...

If you're going to make a claim do the basic research and at least find the right information. It took me less than two minutes to find those two stories. There were 4,000 Israelis IN THE CITY. So what, did EVERY SINGLE ONE work at the WTC?



reply posted on 30-3-2006 @ 12:58 AM by billybob
i wonder how long a werewolf twitches after you shoot it with a silver bullet?

like this one.....

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i1.tinypic.com...[/img]

nothing inside the building can go faster than freefall. and yet that is what is clearly illustrated in the picture(and the video the frames are from has motion and trajectories which confirm it). overpressure doesn't cut it, because it is a highly localised 'puff' or 'squib' that is circled, and in the video, the 'demolition wave' can be seen clearly progressing down the side, passing freefalling debris(only soon after collapse initiation. as the freefalling debris picks up spped, it outpaces the timed sequence of bombs which are cutting the corner supports)

and, howard, i'm sure you know by know that a REAL pancake collapse would have taken about ONE MINUTE and THIRTY SECONDS. (this will be shown by history. i have a good rumour that even brazant zhou came up with this same number, yet didn't report it for obvious reasons)
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