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The Paper Trail [Saddam/terrorism/WMD]
After substantial prodding -- including from this paper -- the U.S. government has finally begun to release its captured Iraqi documents and is posting them at the Web site of the Army's Foreign Military Studies Office. This material will take considerable time to absorb and analyze, but it may yet contribute significantly to our understanding of the nature of the threat Saddam Hussein posed. [...]
Originally posted by Code_Burger
Actually, I'm not new to ATSNN, and am well aware of the TAC, or whatever set of rules the "stay on topic" rule falls under. Where a narrow minded person may assume I have deviated "off topic", someone with a wider understanding of events may understand exactly where I'm coming from.
Muadibb, are you a moderator?
Originally posted by NoGrinia
Well I never thought I would have heard of that one nor live to see the day where one of the bigger threats in the desert were Camels of Mass Destructions
Originally posted by grover
[What??? Which London bombing? The most recent? His sons were dead by then ya know. Or so we have been told by OUR government.
Saddam Regime Document Dated January 2003: The French and German Connections (Translation)
Posted on 03/27/2006 7:26:09 AM PST by jveritas
In this document ISGZ-2004-02817 there is a report by the Assistant of the Iraqi Intelligence Director to his boss “The Director” dated January/23/2003 regarding the visit of one German and one Frenchman to Iraq and these two guys talk about their strong relation with the top government officials in both France and Germany. In this letter the German that German Chancellor Schroeder was totally opposed to the idea of the war in Iraq and it his opposition to the possible war that made him win the German elections held in 2002. Also there is an important part of the letter where it mention the visit of German Chancellor to meet with the Chinese Prime minister and that the Chinese PM told Schroeder “about the information that was obtained by the Chinese intelligence and it says that Iraq has moved his mass of destruction weapon to Syria and the German Chancellor told him that the German intelligence did not indicate this. And after two days the US state secretary went to Damascus to check on this with the Syrian government that in turn denied this news.” Also in the letter it show the fear of the French to join the war because of the heavy losses that will suffer..
Originally posted by Code_Burger
Shots, the document they have translated on that page appears to be missing, or the link they have posted to it is broken.
Now if you would be so kind please do not respond to any more posts in this thread. I would like it to be just a place to locate information on the individual documents all in one place. I will then start a Lets discuss thread in the war on terrorism forum with the individual titles of each document.
Originally posted by Riwka
Anybody may post in this thread as long as they are within guidelines and on topic
However, I urge all to remain ontopic and within guidelines.
Originally posted by LazarusTheLong
OK, let me get this straight?
is this is the supposed proof, that Saddam was looking to tie with terrorists...?
Doesn't convince me yet, I could go into specifics, but lets look at it this way...
what it looks like is a desperate leader, trying to think of ways to get ANYONE on his very unstable side...
Terrorists wouldn't have worked with him, even if he would have worked with them...
try "private mercs" and you get closer to the truth... and before you call private mercs "terrorists"
be careful... we use them all the time...
As to whether i beleive anything coming out of our governments lying mouth... well... they have lied all along about our evidence/reasons/connection, So why should i trust info being "discovered" now?
CAIRO, Egypt - A former Democratic senator and 9/11 commissioner says a recently declassified Iraqi account of a 1995 meeting between Osama bin Laden and a senior Iraqi envoy presents a "significant set of facts," and shows a more detailed collaboration between Iraq and Al Qaeda.
In an interview yesterday, the current president of the New School University, Bob Kerrey, was careful to say that new documents translated last night by ABC News did not prove Saddam Hussein played a role in any way in plotting the attacks of September 11, 2001.
Nonetheless, the former senator from Nebraska said that the new document shows that "Saddam was a significant enemy of the United States." Mr. Kerrey said he believed America's understanding of the deposed tyrant's relationship with Al Qaeda would become much deeper as more captured Iraqi documents and audiotapes are disclosed.
The question of future cooperation is left an open question. According to the ABC News translation, the captured document says, "development of the relationship and cooperation between the two parties to be left according to what's open [in the future] based on dialogue and agreement on other ways of cooperation." ABC notes in their report that terrorists, believed to be Al Qaeda, attacked the Saudi National Guard headquarters on November 13, 1995.
Originally posted by Code_Burger
The link to the document concerning Syria and the German connection is not working, which I thought needed to be brought to attention. We still have no information on the translators, which I brought to attention. I also brought to attention the possibility the translations are false, seeing as they're published on a message board, this is not at all unreasonable. All I'm trying to do is gain information on these documents, which just so happen to be exactly what this thread is about.
Interview With Joseph Shahda
Shahda is originally from Lebanon, having come to the United States in 1994 during his early twenties. He has lived in the United States for the last twelve years. Shahda is a Christian and speaks Arabic and English fluently.
From jveritas | 03/27/2006 10:49:33 AM PST replied
I am originally from Lebanon, born and lived there for 22 years so Arabic is my native language. It is very easy for me to translate from Arabic to English.
I have been living in the US for over 12 years. I am currently working as an engineer and I am doing the translations (in my spare time ƒº) out of a sense of duty and deep gratitude for our country in time of war. This is the least that I can for this county to whom I am in an eternal debt that I can never pay no matter what I do.
Re: The link in this thread appears to be broken that leads to the document
From jveritas | 03/27/2006 2:59:07 PM PST read
Absolutely! you can use my information on any website you want. The Pentagon/FMSO web site is down today.