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Old Money Vs New Money, the shadow war

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posted on Oct, 10 2003 @ 11:54 PM
I am beginning to see something emerge in our debates, a common link.....

A silent war between the EU and US for global dominance and the enforcement of two paticular strains of the NWO.

We see the war between the Euro and the dollar for dominance in the middle east. We see our advisary Russia joining forces with the EU. We see Europe funding the Arab side of the middle east, and the US funding the Israeli side.

We are seeing a cultural and ideological war between the people of Europe and the US.

And alot of it boils down to monetary and economic world dominance, and the pushing of two opposite agendas, two NWOs.

Remeber a certain poster long ago spoke of a war between old money and new money? Could this be it?

A war between old money ( Europe) vs New money (US)?

Is there more to the middle east, the Opec currency dominance, all this, as a battle ground of a silent war?

The Idea of the US and Europe being allies is a ridiculous one to anyone who can see the obvious, we simply are not lobbing bombs directly at each other....yet....

So, your thoughts? The war of the NWOs. European oppresion and evil Vs US oppresion and evil. Old imperialists fighting thier young offshoot.

What do YOU think?

posted on Oct, 11 2003 @ 01:20 AM
good topic Skadi,

I have only been here one month but from the beginning I talked about the NWO vs the OWO,

but this is not new to me,

I have been engaged in discussion about this idea since the beginning of 2003.

not that I originated the idea or was first to predict it.

but this is about more than money or power or control believe it or not.

a split in a ruling faction is often about credit or status and that reflection is manifest in the eyes of the real controllers.

posted on Oct, 13 2003 @ 06:43 PM
Now Im beginning to see your point, neo.


OWO, an appropriate title for the European side of things, tho I often refer to it as the left wing NWO. But, OWO......

It is something I always have stated, that theres two possible NWOs, the Euro lefty side, the Bushy right wing side, and both battle.

But we are seeing this very thing become reality before our own eyes. The battlefield, the shadow war, the old empire, trying to regain its old prominence and dominate the world with its taint, while the new empire battles to make its scar........

Will they cancel each other out, with the rise of the dragon in the east shadowing them all?

posted on Oct, 13 2003 @ 06:48 PM
Good point scadi,

Would China side with the OWO (having a fairly strong history with Russia) or with the NWO. Or possibly they may rise to be a completley different entity themselves...

posted on Oct, 13 2003 @ 06:52 PM

Originally posted by boosai
Good point scadi,

Would China side with the OWO (having a fairly strong history with Russia) or with the NWO. Or possibly they may rise to be a completley different entity themselves...

Keep in mind, Russia and China are not exactly kissing cousins.

I dont know if it is still in effect, but during the Cold War there was a treaty in effect between the US and China, in the event that nukes started flying, the Chinese would launch against the Russians in exchange for the US NOT launching against the Chinese.

I think it is quite obvious with the Russian adoption of the Euro for oil transactions which side Russia is aligning itself with. China on the other hand has been forging strong links with the US over the past decade or more, despite hardships. Given a compelling reason to choose, I think China may side with the US.

posted on Oct, 13 2003 @ 11:45 PM

interesting comments you have made.

I think that one thing will bring China on side and that is how badly the average citizen there (all 1 billion of them), wants a better life and who they think is and can deliver it to them.

China has had its decades long experiment with socialism and if it should have worked there but did not. I think that the people want to move on but the leadership, afraid of change and slowing down the process of change.

Time will tell and frankly I hope they do side with the US, but will that mean sacrificing Taiwan to do it?

My guess is yes. Look how they had to serve up Hong Kong to the Chinese.

posted on Oct, 13 2003 @ 11:47 PM
It is interesting that the general topic was brought up once before...

posted on Oct, 13 2003 @ 11:54 PM
it changes hands between all countries that have it...
this is a gear up for the big kitnkaboodle...

those who want to live in a state where choices can be made and those who do not...

posted on Oct, 14 2003 @ 08:03 AM
maybe we shouldnt look at the eu and us as two different kamps. i think that they are both the smae and look like they are different. The us needs europe and visa versa.

China however would be on european side. Chinese people dont have high ideas about americans. Thats why us and eu are one and the same person. It doesnt matter wich side you choose..

posted on Oct, 14 2003 @ 02:45 PM
The Chinese are alot more fond of the US than they are of Europe. Remeber, the Chinese have a VERY long Memory, and they do not forget.

Europe had colonized China, pushed opium on them, ect. Much of Europe was pro Nazi, who were aligned with the Japanese, who did unspeakable things to the Chinese. Even with our alliance with Japan, we still maintained relations with the Chinese, even when they went communist.

The Idea of the Chinese allying with Europe is unlikely. Ultimately, the Chinese will emerge as the new superpower when we pass the torch off to them. Remeber, the Chinese have ALOT of people over here.

China is probably gonna be the last man standing after were have our war of the west. The Chinese are very clever, resiliant, patient, and are prepared to make any necessary sacrifice for thier society as a whole.

The EU and US are NOT the same beast, closer examination shows us to be quite opposite from one another. The EU is scrambling to rise and regain its old glories of old Europe, and now Russia is joining them, they are attempting to take over and push what Neo calls the OWO. So the two opposites shall collide, perhaps signalling the end of western dominance as we know it, maybe even civilization. And China shall sit back and watch, and be the last man standing, the same way we took over in world war 2.

The interesting thing about the Chinese is that we have a totally different system. In the west, we have the Illuminati running things, we have shadow govornments and old bloodlines, Zionist banking dominance, ect, things absent from the Chinese model. Hence, we have something a bit more pure.

Asia will be the next global dominator. The industrial complexes of China, Japan, Korea, Southeast Asia, will bury the west. They have been slow to rise, but steady.

In the meantime, the OWO and NWO will battle themselves into oblivion.

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