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Originally posted by Street Scholar
All this talk of revolution (usually called civil war improperly) and none of it mentions the current demonstrations.
Immigration rights advocates more than 500,000 strong marched in downtown Los Angeles on Saturday, demanding that Congress abandon attempts to make illegal immigration a felony and to build more walls along the border.
The massive demonstration, by far the biggest of several around the nation in recent days, came as President Bush prodded Republican congressional leaders to give some illegal immigrants a chance to work legally in the U.S. under certain conditions.
These demonstrations dwarf the current anti-war movement! As I see it, the biggest potential for a civil war (currently) comes from these protests. What if these laws were passed, and/or someone were to catalyst these demonstrations into violence? Hypothetically, if every illegal immigrant in the US were to all of a sudden become felons, who's to stop this from escalating?
I don't necessarily believe this will happen, but with all the recent discussion or revolution this seems much more probable the other situations discussed.
Mod edit: url fix
[edit on 26-3-2006 by Riwka]
Originally posted by boogyman
I'd just like to point out that odds are everyone at those protests wasn't an illegal in fact odds are a lot of them were not only citizens but born here as well. So surrounding them and deporting them enmasse is kind of retarded. Contrary to what appears to be popular belief here just because someone has darker skin does not automatically mean they are illegal aliens.
posted by k4ruptNo one mentioned rounding up the protesters . . We're talking about ILLEGAL immigrants . . As stated before, there have been countless arguments WHY we should have the border controlled and WHY there must be a stop to the constant flow of illegal aliens. [Edited by Don W]
posted by boogyman: I'd just like to point out everyone at those protests wasn't an illegal . . odds are a lot of them were citizens born here . . So surrounding them and deporting them en mass is kind of retarded. [Edited by Don W]
Originally posted by CSRules
What sould have been done, is for the military to surround these ILLEGALS and march them straight back across the border!!
Originally posted by CSRules
Why don't we just annex Mexico...........
Mexico, recently came across one of the biggest oil fields to date. Make them the 51st state, then that oil is Americas.............
What do I need to get one?
Proof of citizenship - this can be either a passport or a certified copy of your birth certificate accompanied by a photo ID. A passport is the document of preference
Be prepared to fill out the information requested which includes your place of birth, your destination and the reason for your visit.
You will need to submit the following:
A letter in Spanish addressed to the proper immigration authorities - check with your nearest Mexican Consulate about this.
Proof of income. This figure changes constantly. It is based on minimum wage (250 times the minimum wage in Mexico City) and fluctuates with the exchange rate. The current amount is $8,700.00 pesos per month for the applicant and $4,350.00 pesos per month for each dependent. This proof could be in the form of a bank statement showing your investments generate that amount or more, it could also be a letter from your consulate stating you receive social security, a pension, etc.
The administrative "Fee" is $680.00 Pesos.
Submit a letter signed by you and two Mexican witnesses stating that you are an upstanding citizen living harmoniously within the community. Include with this a copy of each witnesses' photo ID.
Things to Remember:
If our obtained your FM-3 through a Mexican Consulate in your country, you must register it within 45 days of your arriving in Mexico with the local Immigration office.
Originally posted by notbuynit
This leads me to believe that Mexico is a very closed and bigoted society. Why else would they enforce such extravagant immigration laws. This requires massive protests on our part.
After reading a couple of your posts, i cant help but think you have deep rooted problems with foreigners.
Originally posted by Landis
Originally posted by Escrotumus
Im tired of my streets littered by trash and spanish signs everywhere.
Bing, bing, bing, bing!
This is the United States. We speak E N G L I S H here. I resent the fact that I have to ask for my own stinking language when I make a phone call for customer service.
If y'all (foreigners) want to live here, learn to speak the gd (not gang-related) language.
Edit: For clarification.
[edit on 3/27/2006 by Landis]
Just be glad your not south of the border trying to get in. You think they enforce all that?
Guess you have never heard of payola?
It's easy to get a work visa for Mexico in comparison to the US. What kind of work do you plan on doing in Mexico anyway? How do you plan on working in Mexico, if you don't read and write spanish?
It's even easier to visit Mexico, they just wave you through.
After visiting this frontier, Gabriela Rodríguez, the UN Human Rights Commissioner’s special rapporteur on migrants’ rights said: "Mexico is one of the countries where illegal immigrants are highly vulnerable to human rights violations and become victims of degrading sexual exploitation and slavery-like practices, and are denied access to education and healthcare."43
Rafael Fernández de Castro, one of Mexico’s most distinguished academics and editor of the Spanish-language version of Foreign Affairs, has criticized Foreign Secretary Castañeda for "forgetting about Central America" even as he pursues a "honeymoon with the United States." Mexico, the scholar charged, has implemented a policy toward illegal migrants from Central America that is "more racist and discriminatory than that of the United States on [Mexico’s] northern border."44
Chiapan finca owners are frequently in the news, notably in the Tapachula and Guatemala City press, for their Simon Legree-like care of workers. The wealthy growers prefer Guatemalans over Mexicans to work on their plantations, where they raise mangos, bananas, coffee, and dozens of other crops in the fertile, steamy ambiance of southern Chiapas. Echoing U.S. employers’ claims about Americans, these finqueros insist that Mexicans will not do the hard work of planting,