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Timber Smuggling With Rockets in Chitral, Pakistan

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posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 09:43 AM
Fox news TV is talking with Brig General Russell Howard right now about reports that Osama is living in a house in Chitral, Pakistan.

No links yet. I'll keep my eye out for them.

posted on Aug, 31 2006 @ 01:09 PM
No link from Fox yet.

A more recent Peter Bergen article discusses the possibility of Osama living in Chitral. It mentions him living in a house with a couple bodyguards. The reports are also partially based on information from his video tapes. The trees in that region, and the length of delivery time factor into that.

Aug. 30, 2002 PBS Frontline sent a reporting team into the Chitral area. The reporters were aware that Osama and Zawahiri had been reported in the area weeks prior.


[edit on 8/31/06 by makeitso]

posted on Sep, 1 2006 @ 02:12 PM
I did not realize that Chitral was both a region and a town. A little better map of the region can be found here.

The St. Louis Dispatch names a particular area of the Chitral region that Osama is thought to be living in.

TirichMir, which is quite a distance north of the town of Chitral, but still within the Chitral region. As I understand it from the PBS article above, no outsiders are allowed north of the town of Chitral.

posted on Sep, 21 2006 @ 03:53 AM
Pakistani foreign minister Khurshid Mahmood Kasuri think the finger-pointing of Osama Bin Laden's presence in Chitral and Mullah Omar's presence in Quetta is "very unfair"...

Pakistan Link: F16s being given to Pakistan not ill-equipped: Kasuri

September 19, 2006

Kasuri, commenting on the “blame game” some people are playing as to Osama bin Laden’s “presence” in Pakistan, said it is both unfair and without validity. Sometimes it is said that Osama and his top deputies are hiding in Chitral, which is not a Pushtu-speaking area; sometimes it is said that Mullah Omar was seen praying in a mosque in Quetta. The likelihood of such a possibility is remote since every major Al Qaeda figure has been caught in urban areas. It is easier to hide in caves in remote hilly areas, which are mostly across the border. He said it is “very unfair to do finger-pointing.”

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Oh btw, in case you didn't hear it already:
President Musharraf Made A Deal With The Taliban

posted on Oct, 13 2006 @ 06:56 PM
Apparently, Chitral is blessed with huge reserves of black and white marble of fine quality. They want to set up factories in Chitral to make marble tiles and fancy products. When the Lowari Tunnel gets ready in 3-4 years time, these products can be easy transported from Chitral to Dir.

Photo: View from hotel, Chitral on Flickr

Pakistan News Service - PakTribune: Chitral`s marble reserves

October 06, 2006

Pakistan has large reserves of granite and marble in some places in Balochistan, Sindh and the NWFP. One of them is Chitral (NWFP), which is blessed with huge reserves of black and white marble fine quality. According to experts, the quality of Chtiral`s marble is comparable to that of Italian marble.

Development of marble reserves is essential for the socio-economic uplift of the people of Chitral. Preferably, some of the marble reserves in Chitral should be leased out to an inland or a foreign company of repute to set up factories within Chitral to make marble tiles and fancy products for sale within the country as well as for export purposes.

posted on Oct, 26 2006 @ 10:07 PM
NATO planes violated Pakistani airspace and dropped bombs on two border towns near Chitral. No casualties have been reported but the bombs ignited a huge forest fire.

Nato bombings ignite huge forest fire in Chitral


The Afghanistan-based Nato forces on Tuesday violated Pakistan's airspace and dropped bombs on two border towns of Arandu that caused huge fire in the dense forests of the area.

According to the residents, the Nato aircraft targeted the two villages of Daroshot and Azo.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

[edit on 2006/10/26 by Hellmutt]

posted on Oct, 27 2006 @ 05:23 AM

Originally posted by Hellmutt
I guess you never heard of this city or area but it is of paramount importance in the search of Bin Laden. What can you find out about Chitral?

The reason Osama choose just THAT spot is obvious. Any old hippie have heard about it. It's legendary.

They got the best dope in the world - to smoke. Cannabis.

Back in the sixties Chitral was a synonym for the best hasish in the world. Just blew you orbiting 10.000 miles high.

Don't know how it is now. But in Afghanistan then, everybody (of the hippies) wanted to go to Chitral. Only problem, it was restricted and the roads could hardly be called roads. Furthermore, to obtain the permit needed to go there, you had to have a invitation from one of the locals. Now everybody can go there it seems. Worth a vacation, but then again they'll probably label you enemy combatant if you do.

They allegedly had a king or similar feudal lord in those days, and it was one the places associated with Shangri-la. Hunza valley is in that area too.

The legends about the dope are manifold and I shan't weary you telling them here.

Just wanna say, this guy Osama shows very good judgement in chosing Chitral.

posted on Nov, 5 2006 @ 10:56 PM
There was a bombing in Bajaur which apparently killed 80 people. Musharraf is being blamed for it and he is demanded to accept responsibility and step down as President and Army chief.

Chitral News: Chitral meeting protests Bajaur Operations

01 Nov 06

Public meeting called by MMA at Chitral bazaar strongly condemned the bombing of a seminary by security forces at Bajaur in which more than 80 people perished.

The meeting declaration demanded President Musharraf to accept responsibility for the incident and step down from offices of the President and Army chief.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

posted on Nov, 8 2006 @ 03:56 AM
Here's the revenge for the attack mentioned in my previous post. Musharraf says the previous bombing (which Chitral condemned so bad) was a strike at an Al Qaeda training camp. This is most likely the revenge for that attack. A suicide bomber has blown "himself" up at an army base and killed at least 35 Pakistani soldiers. Suicide bomb at Pakistan army base kills 35


A suicide bomber has killed at least 35 soldiers at an army base in northwest Pakistan in an attack officials said was likely revenge for a missile strike against an Al-Qaeda training camp.

"Some 35 trainees died in the attack and 20 others are wounded. Some are in a critical condition,"

The area had until now not been touched by the fighting between Al-Qaeda-backed militants and the Pakistani military, but it is only 80 kilometres southeast of the Bajaur tribal area near the Afghan border where the alleged Al-Qaeda base -- an Islamic school -- was struck nine days ago. An interior ministry official said the bombing appeared to be a revenge attack for the military's strike on the Islamic school which left 80 people dead.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Whatever happened to the truce between Musharraf and Taliban?

BBC: Pakistan 'suicide blast kills 35'

8 November 2006

A suicide bomber has blown himself up at an army parade ground in north-west Pakistan, killing at least 35 soldiers, officials say.

"This is a terrorist act that appears to be a suicide bombing and we are investigating," military spokesman Major General Shaukat Sultan said.

President Pervez Musharraf said the 80 people killed in the air strike were militants, not students as protesters say.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

posted on Dec, 4 2006 @ 04:52 AM
The hunt For Al Qaeda/Bin Laden is still focused on Chitral. All traffic to Chitral has been suspeded due to bad weather. And they are tracking snow leopards with GPS.

Gulf Times: Hunt for Al Qaeda focuses on Chitral

3 December, 2006

Chitral, a mountainous region in northern Pakistan, continues to be an area of concern in the hunt for Osama bin Laden and other key Al Qaeda figures, says a commentary published here this week.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Also here: Chitral still an area of concern in hunt for bin Laden
Daily Times: Chitral an area of concern

Traffic suspended in Chitral

04th December, 200

Due to rain and heavy snowfall in Northern Areas of the country, traffic has been suspended amid report of trapping of vehicles on both sides of Lwari Tunnel on Sunday.

It is pertinent to note that PIA had closed its flights a week ago owing to bad weather.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Also here: PakTribune: Traffic suspended in Chitral

They are tracking elusive snow leopards with GPS in Chitral Gol National Park:
BBC: Snow Leopard Diary
BBC: Snow leopard fitted with GPS tag

posted on Dec, 5 2006 @ 09:51 PM
The winter has come to Chitral. There's no power and the only cellphone service has started to fail. Firewood is scarce and expensive on the black market. Flights have been cancelled for many days already, and the Lowari pass is closed.

[color=00FFFF]There is complete isolation...

Chitral News: Snowfall disrates life in Chitral

04 Dec 06

The first day of snow fall has brought life to a standstill in Chitral and all services have come to an abrupt halt. Electric power both from the national grid and the local power station have gone off in Chitral town and the only mobile phone service has started blinking.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

posted on Dec, 18 2006 @ 08:49 AM
Power is still out and the poor cannot afford to buy firewood. The poor have started to cut down fruit trees to use as firewood. "The masses" have appealed to authorities to urgently provide energy before Chitral becomes a mountain desert. Satellite pictures show disappearing forests in the Chitral area, and the situation becomes worse every day.

Chitral fast losing forests

December 18, 2006

A satellite image shows that only 4.7 per cent area of Chitral is covered with forest and the situation is becoming more dangerous with every passing day.

In northern Chitral, the situation is becoming more dangerous as the people cannot afford to buy fuel-wood at the current rate of Rs 120 per 50 kg in Chitral town and transport it to the far-flung area. The dealers are not abiding by the rate fixed by the government and the scarcity makes the people pay the exorbitant rates. The poor have now started to cut the fruit trees to meet their energy requirements, this situation seems to lead to extinction of the rare quality of apricots and apples in addition to pushing the population further down the poverty line.

The masses have appealed to the concerned authorities to urgently provide alternative source of energy for the people of Chitral before it is too late lest this beautiful land becomes a mountain desert.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Pakistan Times | Top Story: Galiat power supply couldn’t be restored even after 17 days in Pakistan

Galiat continued to languish power outage, as the electric wires, which had broken during the snowfall, could not be repaired even after the lapse of 17 days, while the roads remain blocked and Lowari Top closed with piles of several feet of snow still not cleared.

DCO Chitral, Abdul Ghafoor Beg told Geo News that the work for clearing the road from Lowari Top to Chitral under snow could yet not be started due to severed all land communications, while Lowari Top to Dir road is under clearance.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

Some places have been without electricity for 35 days...

posted on Dec, 24 2006 @ 04:41 PM
Once again we are told that there are "no signs" of Bin Laden in Chitral.

Chitralnews: 'Osama not in Chitral', District Nazim

22 Dec 06

‘There is no sign of Osama bin Laden or any other wanted person in Chitral', said district Nazim Chitral Haji Maghfirat Shah at an all parties meeting cum press conference at his office.


confessed before Afghan authorities that he played a vital role in shifting Osama Bin Laden from Kunar Province of Afghanistan to Chitral Pakistan.


Due to the stern geographic and harsh weather conditions it was virtually impossible for a stranger to be hiding here.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

It sounds like a perfect place for Osama to be hiding. It's apparently "virtually impossible" for any "strangers" to go searching for him there...

posted on Jan, 17 2007 @ 10:52 PM
Seems like the work on the Lowari tunnel was suspended December 4th because of "chilly weather and deep snow". A spokesman for the National Highway Authority (NHA) said the tunnel will be ready by September 2007. But "the people of the valley" said it would take over 10 years if the current pace of work continued. They accuse the NHA of disregarding President Musharraf's orders, a non-stop construction of the tunnel...

Work on Lowari rail tunnel suspended

January 18, 2007

Work on the northern site of the much-delayed Lowari rail tunnel has been suspended once again.

Informed sources in Chitral told Dawn that work on the project was suspended on December 4 and the officials of the Korean Sambu company were packing to leave the area citing chilly weather and deep snow at the site.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

posted on Feb, 19 2007 @ 09:26 PM
Seems like there are some new reports from The New York Times regarding Al Qaeda and Bin Laden...

Some ATS threads from the past 24 hours:

Al Qaeda Chiefs Are Seen to Regain Power

Al-Qaeda Is Rebuilding

Bin Laden and Al Qaeda rebuilding in Waziristan

posted on Feb, 27 2007 @ 05:14 PM
Seems like Bin Laden and Al-Zawahiri are in Pakistan, near the border with Afghanistan, where they are establishing Al Qaeda training camps... US sees growing threats from Al-Qaeda, Iran


McConnell said core elements of Al-Qaeda's senior leader are "resilient" and continue to plot mass casualty attacks against the United States and other targets.

"Indeed, Al-Qaeda, along with other terrorist groups, continues to seek chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear weapons or materials," he said.

McConnell confirmed that Al-Qaeda is reestablishing training camps in Pakistan in tribal areas along the border with Afghanistan. US officials said small groups of operatives are being trained at the compounds for attacks in the west.

"To the best of our knowledge the senior leadership, number one and number two, are there," he said referring to Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and his lieutenant Ayman al-Zawahiri.

"And they are attempting to re-establish and rebuild and they are establishing training camps," McConnell said.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

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posted on Mar, 4 2007 @ 12:41 PM

Originally posted by Hellmutt
Seems like Bin Laden and Al-Zawahiri are in Pakistan, near the border with Afghanistan, where they are establishing Al Qaeda training camps...

Seems like someone decided to do something 'bout that.

Major US offensive launched in Kunar


US troops in eastern Kunar province, ~ have raided a village called Mandaghel over the last 48 hours. Witnesses describe a devastating display of air and ground attacks leveled at the village thought to contain a ‘High Value Target’ of the al Qaeda variety. The mentioning of Osama Bin Laden and Dr. Ayman al Zawarhiri as being such targets in Mandaghel has not been denied by military officials.

~ rumors have whirled for the last three years that Bin Laden himself drifts between Kunar, Nuristan, the Bajaur tribal agency and nearby Chitral.

US forces attack suspected al Qaeda hideout

March 03, 2007 3:12 PM

For the past two days, U.S. and NATO forces have been conducting a major attack against a compound in a remote area of Eastern Afghanistan where Osama bin Laden or another senior al Qaeda leader may be hiding.

Coalition forces launched a fierce attack on a small enclave in the village of Mandaghel, approximately 17 miles from the border with Pakistan, on Friday afternoon.

U.S. officials declined to identify who the operation was targeting, but indicated they were after a "High Value Target" (HVT) . Official sources would not rule out that al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden himself was the intended target. Afghan officials said the target could be another senior ranking al Qaeda leader.

U.S. forces attack a High Value Target in Kunar

March 3, 2007

Just days after the announced capture of Taliban leader Mullah Obaidullah Akhund was arrested in Pakistan, U.S. and Afghan forces are said to be on a major offensive in Kunar province ~.

The target is said to be a High Value Target, possibly Osama bin Laden or another senior al-Qaeda leader.

Godspeed taskforce 145!

[edit on 3/4/07 by makeitso]

posted on Mar, 4 2007 @ 03:15 PM

Originally posted by makeitso

Seems like someone decided to do something 'bout that.


Maybe they'll catch Bin Laden soon?

posted on Apr, 2 2007 @ 11:36 PM
Lots of Chitralis have been killed in avalanches. And there was a magnitude 6.2 just now across the border in Afghanistan.

Chitralnews: Death toll rises in Chitral calamity

02 Apr 07

Number of dead bodies being recovered from under the snow in the nothern villages of Washich, (Torkhow), Momi (Arkari) has increased Monday. 54 people are so far feared dead in this unprecedented catastrophe in Chitral.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.

posted on Apr, 3 2007 @ 12:16 AM
Hi Hellmut.

What a superb and relentless thread.

The information contained in your posts really does make me think that if OBL is still drawing breath, this could very well be his location.

Do you think he's being protected by unseen western hands as suggested in some of the links you have provided, or is that just a red herring ?

Thanks for keeping us informed.

PS: Is that Rabbit for real ? He's enourmous!

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